the end of V8 super cars holden v ?????

[weeds]

Global Ford boss signals end for Aussie Falcon (http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=993024)

i suppose they could put ford badges on the commodores :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

its only the shell thats different anyhow,,,

[weeds]

yep

[V8Ian]

its only the shell thats barely different anyhow,,,
Just like slot cars, changable skins.:angel:

[Traco]

Boring as hell to watch.

[Fusion]

LMFAO !!!!! Ford aussie made ??????


NOT ANYMORE !!!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

you do realise that this is NOT a good thing,,,

[V8Ian]

you do realise that this is NOT a good thing,,,
For who?

[isuzutoo-eh]

One less source for yob-driven V8 shopping trolleys, thats a bad thing? I don't see it :p

[robzilla]

For who?
ahh, for how many hundreds of people who currently work in ford factories. sure you may hate the car, but can't deny it's a great source of employment


Ford Australia employs about 4,700 people at its Victorian plants, 2,300 of whom were factory floor workers and 2,400 in areas such as engineering, administration, marketing and product design.
4,700 people injected into the unemployment rate would not be a good thing...

[V8Landy]

A very bad thing for Australia. In particular our area, We already have about 6 guy's travelling from Geelong to work in our maintenance department. 3yrs ago the company advertised for a maint people and got 6 applications, 12 months ago(after ford put off a lot of workers) they got 300 applications(not all from ford but it gives you an idea of other companies struggling) How many applications will they get after this???.:mad:

[PAT303]

Maybe if they built the cars people wanted to buy instead of the cars they wanted to sell they wouldn't have this problem.Why can't we buy a falcon with the TDV6-ZF drivetrain?,back in the 70's and 80's every second cow cocky drove an LTD but now they drive cruisers,how many grey nomads would buy one instead of a 4wd to tow thier vans if they had TD engines,lots I'd say. Pat

[F4Phantom]

Maybe if they built the cars people wanted to buy instead of the cars they wanted to sell they wouldn't have this problem.Why can't we buy a falcon with the TDV6-ZF drivetrain?,back in the 70's and 80's every second cow cocky drove an LTD but now they drive cruisers,how many grey nomads would buy one instead of a 4wd to tow thier vans if they had TD engines,lots I'd say. Pat

For some years now I thought ford were nuts not putting the td2.7 in the territory and secondly falcon. They could have been years ahead of the game but they have no vision. A few years ago I remember ford aust saying they were going to make fuel economy savings from cpu improvements.

Has anyone ever witnessed the new (what ever that is at the time) model commodore or falcon ever using less fuel than the old model?

[CraigE]

One less source for yob-driven V8 shopping trolleys, thats a bad thing? I don't see it :p
Could say the same thing about Mitso Evo, Subi Impreza drivers etc even V8 fuel guzzling RR drivers or retarded slow series and defender drivers.
Oh wait I am two of those with a Defender and a V8 Statesman.:p;)

Dont tar veryone as Yob V8 drivers. You dont like being criticised for driving a LR so dont cast dispersions on anyone else, unless of course it is Toyota drivers.:eek:

[Gidge guy]

the new commodores do :wasntme:

[clive22]

Its worse then just the jobs lost at the Ford Assembly plant.
There are a whole host of small component suppliers, particularly around Melbourne that rely on steady ongoing supply to the local assemblers.

These companies supply all sorts of small items: fasteners, plastic moldings,rubber, glass, trim pieces, brackets, etc. With the the loss of a major account such as Ford some if not many will disappear - clearly with a loss of jobs directly. Not to mention all of the other outsourced works: machinery maintenance, etc.

This will mean other companies who used these suppliers will also go overseas.
It is difficult to see in the manufacturing Industry having enough growth here for people to want to invest in the future to fill gaps in the marketplace created.

Even if they did, the people with the experience and knowledge of how to produce specialist parts will probably be gone also: retired, retrained, etc. Making it a new start up even more difficult more difficult.

The loss of a local car assembly plant is significant loss and it will take time to adjust to the changes. Some of the blame surely must rest with Ford Au they have been slow recognizing downsizing trends and addressing quality issues.

Clive

[Basil135]

One of the reasons I bought the LR in the first place. I have had Holdens & Fords over the years. Many bought brand new.

Nothing annoys me more than 6 months after buying the "newest model" there is another new model with equipment that is standard that I had to add as an option.

FYI - the current model Ford XR6 costs virtually the same as when I bought mine 6 years ago. Difference is, mine cost an additional $6k for the "optional extras" that were standard equipment on the next model. The resale value was gone the day I picked it up.

On average, both Ford & Holden release an "update" about every 6 months.

Until the local manufacturers start to look after their existing customers, and stop killing the resale value, then consumers will look elsewhere for their cars.

Although "Great Wall Motors" may not be top end cars, they are cheap, should last about 5 years, and then can be "thrown away".

[isuzutoo-eh]

Could say the same thing about Mitso Evo, Subi Impreza drivers etc even V8 fuel guzzling RR drivers or retarded slow series and defender drivers.
Oh wait I am two of those with a Defender and a V8 Statesman.:p;)

Dont tar veryone as Yob V8 drivers. You dont like being criticised for driving a LR so dont cast dispersions on anyone else, unless of course it is Toyota drivers.:eek:

Glad we can all take a joke :)

And if you read carefully, my statement doesn't say all V8 falcon drivers are yobs, but yobs do drive V8 falcons
:angel:

[p38arover]

Dont tar veryone as Yob V8 drivers. You dont like being criticised for driving a LR so dont cast dispersions on anyone else, unless of course it is Toyota drivers.:eek:

....nor aspersions! :p

[LandyAndy]

Its a sad time for the Aussie motor industry.
The latest ford taxis are some of the best they have made.Sad to see the only AUSSIE motor droped,nothing like the torque of a falcoon 6.
At least Holden will no longer need to worry about being cained on the track.Bye Bye V8 Supercars enter the Dunnydoore V8 challenge!!!!
Dont get me wrong,I would be as much PEED of if the yanks decided to nail the Dunnydoore as they have the Falcoon.They are OUR REAL rear wheel drive vehicles!!!!
Andrew

[Bigbjorn]

Maybe if they built the cars people wanted to buy instead of the cars they wanted to sell they wouldn't have this problem. Pat

Ah, remember the British motor industry? Yes, there once was one. They made vehicles they could make or wanted to make. Not what the customers wanted. Remember how Land Rover lost most of its market share through the 60's and 70's because they would not make what the dealers and customers wanted?

[V8Ian]

ahh, for how many hundreds of people who currently work in ford factories. sure you may hate the car, but can't deny it's a great source of employment


4,700 people injected into the unemployment rate would not be a good thing...
Ford may drop the Falcon, but it will be replaced by another model.

[Bigbjorn]

Its a sad time for the Aussie motor industry.
The latest ford taxis are some of the best they have made.Sad to see the only AUSSIE motor droped,nothing like the torque of a falcoon 6.
At least Holden will no longer need to worry about being cained on the track.Bye Bye V8 Supercars enter the Dunnydoore V8 challenge!!!!
Dont get me wrong,I would be as much PEED of if the yanks decided to nail the Dunnydoore as they have the Falcoon.They are OUR REAL rear wheel drive vehicles!!!!
Andrew

Yellow Cabs in Brisbane for some years now have been using Toyota Camry and very pleased with them. Front wheel drive vehicles will continue to improve their market share as the manufacturers have virtually stopped developing and making rear wheel drives. FWD's are cheaper, quicker, and easier to make. Manufacturers care little for ease of maintenance and repair, and don't care much for longevity as long as the vehicles last through the warranty period and sufficient time after that to be traded in and sent off to second and third owners without acquiring a bad reputation.

Cab owners are the most miserable people God has put on the face of the earth. If it is cheap to buy and cheap to run they will buy it. Nothing else matters.

Few owner-drivers left in cabs in the capital cities. So comfort does not matter. Owners have no regard for the comfort of their grossly underpaid drivers.

Cockies are much the same. Cockies have shown over many years that they will buy a new product over an established brand if the new one is cheap.

[Slunnie]

Bye Bye V8 Supercars enter the Dunnydoore V8 challenge!!!!
It'll be interesting to see how the rule makers respond. It wouldn't surprise me if they consider having the new Falcons converted into RWD and they stuff the 5.0V8 into it... the motor that hasn't been used in either vehicle for years. But then again, there was a V8 RWD Magna built a few years ago that was exactly like this and sadly it was knocked on the head. I wonder if the rules will be opened up to other manufacturers

[LandyAndy]

Only a step away from NASCAR.
The supercars are already identical apart from the motor and body panels.
Its only a mater of grafting any sedan body onto the chassis,Mitsubishi did want to compete with a Magma bodied supercar but wernt allowed to join in.
Andrew

[dmdigital]

None of you are thinking about this the right way! Consider this:

Ford drops the V8 Falcon and replaces it with the V6 Taurus (in AWD)

So one of two things can happen:

Holden also drops the V8 too and so only has the V6... Can imagine the outcry then! :o

They need another V8 to race against so Tata signs a deal and enter the V8 supercharged Range Rover:cool:

Now who wouldn't like to see one of them hurtling around the mountain at Bathurst:eek:

[Slunnie]

Only a step away from NASCAR.
The supercars are already identical apart from the motor and body panels.
Its only a mater of grafting any sedan body onto the chassis,Mitsubishi did want to compete with a Magma bodied supercar but wernt allowed to join in.
Andrew
I'm pretty sure the Nascars are built from a tubular space chassis rather than a car and rollcage.

That was the father of a kid I used to teach that built the Magna. Funny thing is that he reckoned he could get more power out of the Mitsubushi V6 than the V8.

[numpty]

Only a step away from NASCAR.
The supercars are already identical apart from the motor and body panels.
Its only a mater of grafting any sedan body onto the chassis,Mitsubishi did want to compete with a Magma bodied supercar but wernt allowed to join in.
Andrew

That would have been the Russian Lava Niva:D

[LandyAndy]

The Supercars are too Slunnie.
They dont become a ford or holden till the heart and panels are fitted.
Andrew

[Slunnie]

Are you saying V8 supercars are these with trim and nothing Holden or Ford aside from the skin? First time I've heard that.

http://www.ovaltracking.com/events/2007/i_2-media/Tour-01-R&DCenter.jpg

[LandyAndy]

YEP,made side by side.True story.They pump it enough on the "tech talk" during the supercar coverage.
The 888 guys who are swaping hearts and panels were already building holden(CHEV) V8s for other teams whilst racing fords(and building good ford mojos for other teams)
No reason you couldnt strap a Camry,Hyundai,Great Wall body to the chassis just to keep the Dunnydoores honest,must have a Ford mojo though.Body by Great Wall POWERED BY FORD:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[Slunnie]

Then the Bowler Nemesis powered by Roverd 5.0 V8! :cool:

http://www.bowler-offroad.com/Nem_2009/EXR_intro01.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm pretty sure the Nascars are built from a tubular space chassis rather than a car and rollcage.

That was the father of a kid I used to teach that built the Magna. Funny thing is that he reckoned he could get more power out of the Mitsubushi V6 than the V8.

A clever fella by the name of Bob Strawbridge did a lot of developement work on the Mitsu V6,,

quoted LOTS of HP,,,:eek:

[V8Ian]

Hi Pedro, night shift again?:(

[Pedro_The_Swift]

another week or so,,

I actually prefer nights,,:cool:

[V8Ian]

another week or so,,

I actually prefer nights,,:cool:
We miss you though.:(

As you were folks, hijack over.

[LandyAndy]

Perhaps an AULRO sponsored team with an old County body strapped to an EX Falcoon Supercar winner chassis could thrash the Dunnydoores?????
:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
Andrew

[BigJon]

There is some misinformation going on here.

Taken from the interweb:

Bodyshell
Unlike other forms of motorsport (such as NASCAR) where competitors build cars from space frame (http://www.aulro.com/wiki/Space_frame) construction, V8 Supercars are still based on production road cars. Each V8 Supercar is based on a current-specification VE Commodore or FG Falcon production bodyshell, with an elaborate roll cage (http://www.aulro.com/wiki/Roll_cage) constructed into the shell from aircraft-grade, 20 mm thick tubing. In 2007 specifications both the Commodore and Falcon have adopted E-glass front mudguards in place of the production steel items, in order to save costs.
The VE Commodore was initially rejected[by whom? (http://www.aulro.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)] from taking part in the series due to its wheelbase being longer and wider than the BF Falcon. For the model to be homologated, V8 Supercar granted the Commodore a custom fabricated bodyshell into which a limited number of production bodyshell panels are incorporated. As a result, the roofline is lower than production and the rear door is shorter such that externally the rear doors, roof and rear quarters all consist of specialised custom coachwork panels.
Similarly, the longer wheelbase of the FG Falcon (over the BF) requires a comparable custom-fabricated shorter body, and the FG is also shorted in the rear door and lowered in the roof line compared to the road going model.

[BigJon]

And this:

From NASCAR they took the idea of keeping performance of the makes similar by adjusting their relative specifications with the aim of producing affordable (http://www.suite101.com/external_link.cfm?elink=http://www.v8supercar.com.au/costv8.htm)close racing. Rather than use a "look a like" formula as in NASCAR it was decided to use the full body shell of the road car. Naturally all cars must have a roll cage that provides a safety capsule for the driver. Of course the roll cage must be firmly fixed inside the body shell. There are some elaborate roll cages doubling as a partial tube frame chassis.

Read more at Suite101: What is a V8 Supercar anyway? (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp) http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp)

[Bigbjorn]

The Supercars are too Slunnie.
They dont become a ford or holden till the heart and panels are fitted.
Andrew

And very little of the engine comes from either GM or Ford. They are purpose built race engines assembled from after-market components.

[Slunnie]

There is some misinformation going on here.

Taken from the interweb:

Bodyshell
Unlike other forms of motorsport (such as NASCAR) where competitors build cars from space frame (http://www.aulro.com/wiki/Space_frame) construction, V8 Supercars are still based on production road cars. Each V8 Supercar is based on a current-specification VE Commodore or FG Falcon production bodyshell, with an elaborate roll cage (http://www.aulro.com/wiki/Roll_cage) constructed into the shell from aircraft-grade, 20 mm thick tubing. In 2007 specifications both the Commodore and Falcon have adopted E-glass front mudguards in place of the production steel items, in order to save costs.
The VE Commodore was initially rejected from taking part in the series due to its wheelbase being longer and wider than the BF Falcon. For the model to be homologated, V8 Supercar granted the Commodore a custom fabricated bodyshell into which a limited number of production bodyshell panels are incorporated. As a result, the roofline is lower than production and the rear door is shorter such that externally the rear doors, roof and rear quarters all consist of specialised custom coachwork panels.
Similarly, the longer wheelbase of the FG Falcon (over the BF) requires a comparable custom-fabricated shorter body, and the FG is also shorted in the rear door and lowered in the roof line compared to the road going model.


And this:

From NASCAR they took the idea of keeping performance of the makes similar by adjusting their relative specifications with the aim of producing [B]affordable (http://www.suite101.com/external_link.cfm?elink=http://www.v8supercar.com.au/costv8.htm)close racing. Rather than use a "look a like" formula as in NASCAR it was decided to use the full body shell of the road car. Naturally all cars must have a roll cage that provides a safety capsule for the driver. Of course the roll cage must be firmly fixed inside the body shell. There are some elaborate roll cages doubling as a partial tube frame chassis.


Read more at Suite101: What is a V8 Supercar anyway? (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp) http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_v8_supercar_racing/55505#ixzz0cizDbDXp)


Thanks BigJon, I thought that was how they were done.

[PAT303]

It's nice when facts are posted. Pat