Quality Trailing Arm (chassis) bushes???

[isuzurover]

Can anyone who has bought some upper/chassis trailing arm bushes recently point me in the right direction?

I know a few people who have bought them from reputable suppliers and had them fail within a few thousand KM.

[Psimpson7]

I got mine from the main LR dealer. They last a million times longer than non genuine stuff. I did fit a set of britpart ones once and they only lasted 500miles..... Never again.

[isuzurover]

I got mine from the main LR dealer. They last a million times longer than non genuine stuff. I did fit a set of britpart ones once and they only lasted 500miles..... Never again.

How much did the stealer charge if I may ask?

[PAT303]

I have super pro,they are going good after I don't know how many years. Pat

[Psimpson7]

Hi Ben,

I think they were @$95 the pair. I just tried to find the receipt but I cant which is annoying as I normally file everything.

They actually came as a pair in a box.

Rgds
Pete

[JamesH]

This is great timing for me as Ive been told by the people that put my tyres on that mine need doing (again) I can't remember how long it has been but Ive only had the car for 100 000km so I'd say 50000k max.

I'd be interested to know the price of front and rear control arm bushes as well.

Could sime supply me with the correct terminolgy is "Trailing Arm" the correct term for LR front and back?

thanks

J

[dobbo]

SuperPro

do the entire vehicle, if you can't get them over there PM me and I could pick them up from the distributer and post them to you

[Psimpson7]

Could sime supply me with the correct terminolgy is "Trailing Arm" the correct term for LR front and back?

thanks

J

Radius arms is probably a more correct term, ie the ones running front to rear holding the diff to the chassis on both ends of the car. (Trailing arm tho is fine for rears)

Panhard rod is the one controlling left to right hand movement of the front axle.

I can do some of the prices for genuine for you (last time I bought them).

Front radius arm bushes are $25.33each (4 required)
Panhard rod bushes are $8.49each (2 required)
Rear chassis end bushes for rear arms are @$95 a pair (2 required)
Other end of the rear radius arms I cant rememeber but @$16each (2 required)

Then there is the A frame but not sure about those.

Personally I wouldnt touch any fancy coloured, aftermarket, fit without a press bushes.

[isuzurover]

SuperPro

do the entire vehicle, if you can't get them over there PM me and I could pick them up from the distributer and post them to you

I will be using superpro for some - panhard, and axle end of radius and trailing arms, but rubber for the rest. Thanks for the offer, but there are 1 or two distributors over here.

[350RRC]

Hi,

Not sure what vehicle you want to put them on, but if you want rubber for some check out LRA:

Select Vehicle (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d1483.html)

or give them a call. They have angled rubber chassis bushes for a lifted rear that even have concave faces, very impressive concept.

cheers, DL

[Bush65]

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Could sime supply me with the correct terminolgy is "Trailing Arm" the correct term for LR front and back?

thanks

J
The front beam axle is located by 2 radius arms (left and right) and a panhard rod.

The rear beam axle of Defenders, disco 1 and older rangies is located by an upper A-frame and 2 lower control arms (left and right). Trailing arm can be used as an alternate name for the lower control arms (and is used more commonly). I would never call these radius arms.

However, if we are discussing rear beam axled Disco 2 or later model rangies, then these do use radius arms for location. The disco 2 uses a Watts linkage for transverse location (no upper A-frame). I don't know what late rangies with radius arms use for transverse location (could be a panhard rod).

None of this is applicable for independent suspension used in disco 3 or 4, or late rangies.

[BigJon]

I don't know what late rangies with radius arms use for transverse location (could be a panhard rod).



I think the lower control arms / radius arms / trailing arms do the job.

[isuzurover]

I think the lower control arms / radius arms / trailing arms do the job.

None of those help with TRANSVERSE location.



Hi,

Not sure what vehicle you want to put them on, but if you want rubber for some check out LRA:

Select Vehicle (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d1483.html)

or give them a call. They have angled rubber chassis bushes for a lifted rear that even have concave faces, very impressive concept.

cheers, DL

They are for a 110 but I think there are only 1 or 2 types. Do you have a pic of these bushes??? Can't find one on the website.

[350RRC]

They are for a 110 but I think there are only 1 or 2 types. Do you have a pic of these bushes??? Can't find one on the website.

Try this link:

Suspension Bushes (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d603.html)

cheers, DL

[BigJon]

None of those help with TRANSVERSE location.




They are for a 110 but I think there are only 1 or 2 types. Do you have a pic of these bushes??? Can't find one on the website.

I think they do on a P38 RR, although I could be wrong. I know they stop the axle from rotating.

[isuzurover]

I think they do on a P38 RR, although I could be wrong. I know they stop the axle from rotating.

Transverse means side-side movement.

"lower control arms / radius arms / trailing arms" cannot control transverse motion acceptably unless you are talking about a fully triangulated 4-link suspension or an a-frame + lower link suspension like the defender, D1 and RRC have.

I believe the P38a uses F+R panhard rods to control transverse motion - owever they appear to use the same bushes as the D2 watts link... Any P38 owners want to clarify?

[BigJon]

Transverse means side-side movement.
?

Gee, thanks for pointing that out :eek:.

I guess my year 12 education plus four years of trade school plus 10+ years in the trade (mechanic) didn't count for anything.

I was thinking of the trailing arm lower mounts at the axle end being double bolted, one fore and one aft. If the front of the arm was suitably located it COULD control transverse movement.

However, I am quite happy to accept the correction that they are fitted with a panhard rod. As I mentioned I could have been wrong. It is a couple of years since I was under a P38 (thank God :D).

[isuzurover]

Gee, thanks for pointing that out :eek:.

I guess my year 12 education plus four years of trade school plus 10+ years in the trade (mechanic) didn't count for anything.

I was thinking of the trailing arm lower mounts at the axle end being double bolted, one fore and one aft. If the front of the arm was suitably located it COULD control transverse movement.

However, I am quite happy to accept the correction that they are fitted with a panhard rod. As I mentioned I could have been wrong. It is a couple of years since I was under a P38 (thank God :D).

Sorry, but it seemed like you needed an explanation.

If radius arms (which you are calling trailing arms) can control transverse movement, why does every 110. 90, D1, RRC, toyota, nissan etc etc with front radius arms have a panhard rod? (and D2s have a watts link + rear radius arms which does the same job).

EDIT - the two mounts/attachments at the axle end of a radius arm are to stop the axle rotating under acceleration/braking - not limit transverse motion.

[clean32]

i think i paid just under 100 for both or all 4 bushes. but then i an so ****ted with then becouse thay are still sitting on my bench.

got them from rover spears in adelaide.

[BigJon]

Sorry, but it seemed like you needed an explanation.

If radius arms (which you are calling trailing arms) can control transverse movement, why does every 110. 90, D1, RRC, toyota, nissan etc etc with front radius arms have a panhard rod? (and D2s have a watts link + rear radius arms which does the same job).

EDIT - the two mounts/attachments at the axle end of a radius arm are to stop the axle rotating under acceleration/braking - not limit transverse motion.

I know the twin axle mounts are to prevent rotation. In fact I said as much.

My comment about radius arms being able to control lateral axle movement was a little tongue in cheek. Provided the arms would not bend and the mounts were strong enough, then the arms could control sideways axle movement. Obviously they don't because the movement required for suspension articulation precludes the stiffness that would be needed for lateral control. Hence the use of A frames, panhard rods, watts linkages, etc.

[lambrover]

I know the twin axle mounts are to prevent rotation. In fact I said as much.

My comment about radius arms being able to control lateral axle movement was a little tongue in cheek. Provided the arms would not bend and the mounts were strong enough, then the arms could control sideways axle movement. Obviously they don't because the movement required for suspension articulation precludes the stiffness that would be needed for lateral control. Hence the use of A frames, panhard rods, watts linkages, etc.

I am sorry to say BigJon I have re-read this section over and it was hard to see the tongue in check bit as it seemed like a genuine statement was being made, so it is a miss understanding on all fronts then.

[clean32]

Just as a passing thought. The HA and HB viva's always handled well, and were raced quite a bit back in there day. There rear end consisted of 2 lower tailing arms (normal) but the 2 upper tailing arms were at 45Deg or there about. Now if I recall correctly, the same setup was carried over to the chevette and was one of its claims to fame in rallying days was its articulation in the rear. Back in the day of only rear wheel drive rally cars, longish and soft rear travel was the call until Audi showed up.

i know its not 4X4 stuff but as i said just a thought.

[BigJon]

Clean, HQ - WB sedans and wagons used a similar setup. The diagonal upper arms give the lateral locating effort, much the same way the A frame does in a Land Rover.

[clean32]

Clean, HQ - WB sedans and wagons used a similar setup. The diagonal upper arms give the lateral locating effort, much the same way the A frame does in a Land Rover.

yeppa, but if i recall ( its been a long time) the holden upper arms were quite short where Vivas had quite long upper arms

[camel_landy]

Don't use anything other than Genuine.


Patent ones will die within a short space of time.
Poly will just trash your chassis or trailng arm instead!

I know it's tempting to fit poly but there's a reason why bushes wear out. ;)

M

[isuzurover]

Don't use anything other than Genuine.


Patent ones will die within a short space of time.
Poly will just trash your chassis or trailng arm instead!

I know it's tempting to fit poly but there's a reason why bushes wear out. ;)

M

A lot of people have been experiencing good results with "Super-Pro" polyurethane bushes made in AU. They are a lot softer than any other poly bushes I have seen (e.g. the UK varieties).

That said, I prefer rubber bushes for a coiller.

[Vern]

Don't use anything other than Genuine.


Patent ones will die within a short space of time.
Poly will just trash your chassis or trailng arm instead!
I know it's tempting to fit poly but there's a reason why bushes wear out. ;)

M
The super pro poly's are soft like rubber, unlike the normal poly bushes! Never heard a bad report on them:)

[discowhite]

Don't use anything other than Genuine.


Patent ones will die within a short space of time.
Poly will just trash your chassis or trailng arm instead!
I know it's tempting to fit poly but there's a reason why bushes wear out. ;)

M

sorry, but i call BS on that statement, sort of....:p
ive only ever run super pro bushes, never been replaced,never stuffed anything..but on the other hand the ''other'' bushes, there are yellow ones that were fitted to a RRC that did 1 trip in the wattagans (about 50klm of driving) and didnt make it home. i fitted nolethane to road cars and speedway cars and found them hard and had to be frequently replaced. and there are some cheaper blue ones that dullbird has fitted to her disco that dont ride like the SP ones either.

so yes, some aftemarket bushes are crap but not all.

cheers phil

[thrower78]

I just ordered basicly all the bushes except for the castor bushes for my D1 today, so panhard rod, trailing arms top and bottom, rear A frame top, sway bars d bushes and drop link ones. From M.R. Automotive and It cost me $290 delivered. All genuine rubber.

[blitz]

umm possibly a dumb question (but that has never stopped me asking :D)

can you get the trailing arm (diff to chassis) with a bearing instead of a bush? I have seen them advertised for GQ partols once somewhere and sort of liked the idea as I thought they would take much longer to wear out, and give better articulation

blythe

[Psimpson7]

X-eng do these if thats what you mean.

X-eng High Performance Off-Road Engineering (http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Joint.asp)

[blitz]

X-eng do these if thats what you mean.

X-eng High Performance Off-Road Engineering (http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Joint.asp)



by golly that's exactly what I meant, they look and sound just the ticket does anyone have any experience with them, are they even legal in Oz?

[BigJon]

Given that they are still a bush rather than a metal on metal rose joint they 'should' be legal.

[Grimace]

eww...

I just want to ad that my last lot of rubber bushes purchased from Paddock Spares have not lasted well at all :(

[blitz]

unless someone here does have info on them I will talk to an engineer about it when I see one about wheels, tires, body lifts etc. I also want the arms, as I have bad steering with mine with it's 2+ inch lift? most all wheel steering places have suggested offset bushes. If those are legal in Australia then I would use them instead if they come with the bush hole offset for lifts

[BigJon]

For castor correction go for slotted swivels.

Who are you using for engineering?

[blitz]

For castor correction go for slotted swivels.

do you know who does this (in SA)? that would be the best way to go


Who are you using for engineering?

I have been given a few names haven't contacted any of them yet though. I will need to see them before I get it registered in SA by the sounds of it - although to look at not many people would pick it being modified unless it was next to a standard one.

[BigJon]

I use Stuart Crozer from Tonkin Engineering. Mind you, my Dad used to be MD of that company so I have known Stuart for years and years.

[isuzurover]

I priced some genuine ones today - $110 EACH from Land Rover.

I also spoke to Rovacraft who said they no longer sell Britpart trailing arm bushes because of failures, and sell Allmakes instead which have been reliable.

Decisions - Superpro, Allmakes or Genuine????

Anyone know which company make the genuine items???

[rick130]

Ben, go Super pro for the chassis end of the lower rear trailing arm, they are a clever, clever design, much better than the OE ones.

When you look at one you'll understand what I'm talking about ;)

The only OE/metalstic bushes left on mine are the diff end of the lower rear trailing arms

[isuzurover]

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