LR 90 PUMA No one wants them

[juddy]

After all the hype, and crys to bring the 90 back, have LR oz, acted on the peoples voice, but the people have not acted??

My dealer told me no orders taken yet, no demos ordered, and one caller wanting info thats it......

[Scouse]

There's a grey one arriving here in the next few days.
I don't know how many more are on their way though.

[BigJon]

I would have one but A: I don't fit, B: I think they will be too expensive, C: I have never bought a new car and I am not about to start... Should I go on?

[FenianEel]

After all the hype, and crys to bring the 90 back, have LR oz, acted on the peoples voice, but the people have not acted??

My dealer told me no orders taken yet, no demos ordered, and one caller wanting info thats it......

Maybe it's a bit like a forum where's there a specific section for chat related to PUMA defenders, yet some people insist on posting 48,672 different, yet nauseatingly similar threads about them in General Chat. :wallbash:

[juddy]

Maybe it's a bit like a forum where's there a specific section for chat related to PUMA defenders, yet some people insist on posting 48,672 different, yet nauseatingly similar threads about them in General Chat. :wallbash:

Never thought of that. you could be right....

[VladTepes]

How utterly predictable !

Pay almost the same price but for a much less practical car than a 110 Wagon.

Unlikely.

[isuzurover]

How utterly predictable !

Pay almost the same price but for a much less practical car than a 110 Wagon.

Unlikely.

Most SWB models on the market are only a couple of grand cheaper than the LWB.

Personally, I hope it sells well. Stock for stock they would beat a wrangler rubicon. Shame there is no soft top option. And they are small enough that the PUNY... sorry Puma,,, :wasntme: engine isn't too teensy weensy and underpowered for them.

[clean32]

Maybe it's a bit like a forum where's there a specific section for chat related to PUMA defenders, yet some people insist on posting 48,672 different, yet nauseatingly similar threads about them in General Chat. :wallbash:

HA HA I think your correct

Puma owner post, cup holders will not hold the double moca decaf with nutmeg double size cups from some poncy coffee shop


Defender. owner posts what size fridge, how many beers/ steaks will it hold and will it run at -1 when its 45 deg. Defenders advice to a puma owner, I think a saw one in super cheep

County posts, well they don’t, steaks= shoot some thing and chuck it in a pan with a bit of EP90. beer well if you cant drink it hot then drink rum or vodka. A county owners advice to a puma owner, why post just make one.



Puma owners response to above advice

What’s super cheep??
Make what, can you do that, I may break a nail.

Defenders response. It’s a shop do you want the address

Counties response, then use a 6” nail

LOL

[miky]

Maybe it's a bit like a forum where's there a specific section for chat related to PUMA defenders, yet some people insist on posting 48,672 different, yet nauseatingly similar threads about them in General Chat. :wallbash:


Wish there was a forum here specifically for puma defenders. Perhaps a sub forum to the defender county forum.
After all... discos have sub forums.

Mike

[isuzurover]

Wish there was a forum here specifically for puma defenders. Perhaps a sub forum to the defender county forum.
After all... discos have sub forums.

Mike

But discos have actually had different models. Try bolting a D2 or D3 axle into a D1. But a puma axle will bolt into a 1983 110. (which I think is a good thing!)

[clean32]

But discos have actually had different models. Try bolting a D2 or D3 axle into a D1. But a puma axle will bolt into a 1983 110. (which I think is a good thing!)

wrong, you would be better off bolting a 1983 Salisbury into a puma

[dobbo]

wrong, you would be better off bolting a 1983 Salisbury into a puma

no you wouldn't, but you would be better off bolting a 1993 Salisbury into a Puma. Disc brakes;)

[isuzurover]

wrong, you would be better off bolting a 1983 Salisbury into a puma

I meant the parts interchangeability is (in general) a good thing. But I agree with dobbo.

[stig0000]

our place has 3 on order, i asked when i was driving the new 010 sport:D with the boss,, and i asked the rrp price diff, 4k,, thats it,,, 4000$ and you can get 20" more car, 5 more real seats, and get one alot faster then a 90, how good is that for a option, 4k on a d4 or sport wont get you much:D

[isuzurover]

our place has 3 on order, i asked when i was driving the new 010 sport:D with the boss,, and i asked the rrp price diff, 4k,, thats it,,, 4000$ and you can get 20" more car, 5 more real seats, and get one alot faster then a 90, how good is that for a option, 4k on a d4 or sport wont get you much:D

The 3dr Prado is $56-66k The 5 door is $61-89k - so $5k difference like for like
The 2dr Pajero is $47.5-55k The 5 door is $49.5-77k - so $2k difference like for like
The Wrangler 2dr is $32-43k The 5 door is $36-47k - so $4k difference like for like

EDIT btw - you don't work at THIS dealer do you???
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-zone/95942-am-i-unreasonable.html

[dullbird]

HA HA I think your correct

Puma owner post, cup holders will not hold the double moca decaf with nutmeg double size cups from some poncy coffee shop


Defender. owner posts what size fridge, how many beers/ steaks will it hold and will it run at -1 when its 45 deg. Defenders advice to a puma owner, I think a saw one in super cheep

County posts, well they don’t, steaks= shoot some thing and chuck it in a pan with a bit of EP90. beer well if you cant drink it hot then drink rum or vodka. A county owners advice to a puma owner, why post just make one.



Puma owners response to above advice

What’s super cheep??
Make what, can you do that, I may break a nail.

Defenders response. It’s a shop do you want the address

Counties response, then use a 6” nail

LOL

Hey Clean

perhaps you should of tried to crack facts about genetics rather then an attempt at a joke that way people would of actually laughed at you:p

[clean32]

no you wouldn't, but you would be better off bolting a 1993 Salisbury into a Puma. Disc brakes;)

wrong, drums on the rear are much better than disks, but i say that only if you use the vehical not as a shoping basket.

rear disks cop all the crap dust mud etc, 20 000Ks not only do you have to replace the pads but also the disks.

now a well sorted drum set up will stop just as well, or in my case better than most disk set ups.

clean32 1 dobbo 0 :D

[clean32]

I meant the parts interchangeability is (in general) a good thing. But I agree with dobbo.


I know and agree, i just hate Puma drivers, becouse i doint have one LOL

[Psimpson7]

wrong, drums on the rear are much better than disks,

No they're not. Dont talk nonsense.

[Hymie]

Oh I'd have one in a heartbeat, I simply can't afford one:(

[clean32]

No they're not. Dont talk nonsense.

Well since you only quoted 1/2 my post I assume you only read 1/2 my post

[dobbo]

wrong, drums on the rear are much better than disks, but i say that only if you use the vehical not as a shoping basket.

rear disks cop all the crap dust mud etc, 20 000Ks not only do you have to replace the pads but also the disks.

now a well sorted drum set up will stop just as well, or in my case better than most disk set ups.

clean32 1 dobbo 0 :D


It might be the case, in your experience. The rest of us beg to differ.

[crump]

Maybe it's a bit like a forum where's there a specific section for chat related to PUMA defenders, yet some people insist on posting 48,672 different, yet nauseatingly similar threads about them in General Chat. :wallbash:

I love that word "nauseatingly" mmmmm "naw zee ate ing lee", sounds like two chinese cannibals.

[PAT303]

wrong, drums on the rear are much better than disks, but i say that only if you use the vehical not as a shoping basket.

rear disks cop all the crap dust mud etc, 20 000Ks not only do you have to replace the pads but also the disks.

now a well sorted drum set up will stop just as well, or in my case better than most disk set ups.

clean32 1 dobbo 0 :D

Well I've had my defender for 12 years and it travelled on dirt roads everyday for 10 of them and my rear disc's are the factory original and I've replaced the pads twice from new so I don't know where you got 20,000k's from. Pat 1 clean 0.

[dobbo]

It's been more than 90 minutes since someone on this forum had a wet dream over a 90
I'm waiting for the Dunlop Volley90 to come out, it's the no nonsense, version of the Puma, bound to be popular

[clean32]

It might be the case, in your experience. The rest of us beg to differ.
Well yes I was being a smart ass, but it comes down to how much time on road to off road I suppose, but on the disco I was cutting out rear disks and pads faster than front about every 20 000klm. On the county I spent a bit of time getting my head around it and then getting it all sorted and working well. I am happy that I did rather than change it over to disks and as I said, she will stop better than most disk defenders

[PAT303]

It's been more than 90 minutes since someone on this forum had a wet dream over a 90
I'm waiting for the Dunlop Volley90 to come out, it's the no nonsense, version of the Puma, bound to be popular

Thats right,90's are for ******* hey dobbo:angel: Pat

[clean32]

Thats right,90's are for ******* hey dobbo:angel: Pat

or the wife

[dobbo]

Thats right,90's are for ******* hey dobbo:angel: Pat

don't ask me, your writing it.

[Psimpson7]

Well since you only quoted 1/2 my post I assume you only read 1/2 my post

Nope I read all of it....

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I seem to remember this was a problem when the 90 was last sold here.

[hoadie72]

Oh I'd have one in a heartbeat, I simply can't afford one:(

I like the concept, I don't like the lack of legroom or the price.

[dullbird]

everyone likes them till its time to cough up:p

[hoadie72]

LOL very true

[scrambler]

They only need to sell 1. It's the the idea that counts. It's the V8 Commodore, the Godzilla Nissan. Heck, it's the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. The point of having it in the list is to say "We are serious." It's image. They'll sell to a limited market as stylish town vehicles. They'll sell to another (very) limited market as the base for off-road competition vehicles. A few might even go to "regular" 4wders.

Land Rover are bringing in all the body variants in the Defender. They are sending a signal that they are serious about commercial Land Rovers. They held off the 90, IMHO, to get the seats in the rear OK'd (they've never brought rear seated 90's in but a 7 seat 110 is a reduction from the 9 seater Countys.)

If they get their act together with support for Utility and Mining buyers then the DiscoDefender from 2013 should sell to commercial users like hotcakes. All the necessary safety fruit and coils all round with a Defender-style interchangeable panel body, and established engine lines. Toyota must be wetting themselves.

[Hymie]

everyone likes them till its time to cough up:p


LR approached us to set up the "Land Rover Experience", but there was no help forthcoming from them, they actually wanted us to pay for the privilege of showcasing their product, now, for a 90 on attractive rates I'd be interested.

[spudboy]

Land Rover are bringing in all the body variants in the Defender. They are sending a signal that they are serious about commercial Land Rovers. They held off the 90, IMHO, to get the seats in the rear OK'd

If they wanted to get serious about commercial Land Rovers, they'd put airbags in the 110 as standard and perhaps optionally on the 130. They'd get more market traction doing that than bringing in the 90.

And that's from a 90 owner...

[stig0000]

EDIT btw - you don't work at THIS dealer do you???
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-zone/95942-am-i-unreasonable.html

idk if i should say this but yes,, and i know that car, but never once have us in the back seen that car,, we have a guy at the front and what ever you do dont talk to him, ask for Paul, he will allways help you,

but in our defence i must say that over the xmas new yrs brake LR tec support in syd is on holidays, and no matter how hard we try we cant make things happen eny faster, untill landrover aus gets back to us,

the thing i find most and hard to believe is that when people complain about the service,, its allways us guys in the back that get the blame,
im not pointing or blaming enyone, were all landrover nuts here, and all here for the same reason,

[Outlaw]

After all the hype, and crys to bring the 90 back, have LR oz, acted on the peoples voice, but the people have not acted??

My dealer told me no orders taken yet, no demos ordered, and one caller wanting info thats it......
Last i heard from Lyntons a couple weeks ago is a couple 90's ordered being delivered mid-Feb (i think). And sold a heap of fenders. Considering they specialise in primarily the higher end of the luxuries; that is pretty good for them. Unless you've got another dealer out of the area of course ;)

[vnx205]

everyone likes them till its time to cough up:p
It's a bit like TV programming. In surveys, people say they want more documentaries on TV, but when it comes time to watch, they turn to the soaps, dramas and comedies.

[scrambler]

If they wanted to get serious about commercial Land Rovers, they'd put airbags in the 110 as standard and perhaps optionally on the 130. They'd get more market traction doing that than bringing in the 90.

And that's from a 90 owner...
Of course they would. And only needs some simple modifications ... such as completely new chassis and firewall, involving redesigning the entire front 1/2 of the vehicle. The 2013 model will deliver the airbags, probably optional curtain airbags too, but will be on the current Disco chassis, stretched. I personally doubt whether the SWB design will continue post 2013, and I'd be buying one now if I could fit my family in one!

[juddy]

Last i heard from Lyntons a couple weeks ago is a couple 90's ordered being delivered mid-Feb (i think). And sold a heap of fenders. Considering they specialise in primarily the higher end of the luxuries; that is pretty good for them. Unless you've got another dealer out of the area of course ;)

Yep thats what they told me too, the Defender is doing very well, and now they are down to just one left, they have managed to get a couple of 110 dc in from the pool list, and the next shipment for them is due in April.

[Scallops]

Yep thats what they told me too, the Defender is doing very well, and now they are down to just one left, they have managed to get a couple of 110 dc in from the pool list, and the next shipment for them is due in April.

So if that's what Lyntons told you too, why do you say no-one wants them?

[boxhead]

I would buy one too but like Big John i Dont fit in them. what is the point of buying a car when you cant shut the door.

I have sat in a PUMA a G4 one came and visited me at the campground i look after and is still not comfortable for me to drive the long distances that i do to go any where.

the should be able to fit airbags to defenders. toyota just fitted airbags to their cruiser utes without too many modifications. Mining companies and government departments look for safety features and Airbags are on the top of the list.

they dont bring all the variants to Australia because if the did they would have a soft top option for the 90.

Adam

[Psimpson7]

they dont bring all the variants to Australia because if the did they would have a soft top option for the 90.

Adam

Soft top isnt available in the UK anymore, and hasnt been for a while.

[Psimpson7]

I personally doubt whether the SWB design will continue post 2013, and I'd be buying one now if I could fit my family in one!

Don't assume that Australias sales figures bear any resemblance to the relationship of sales between 90's and 110's in places like the UK.

I cant see them stoping producing the 90. That would be a huge error IMO.

[Redback]

Well yes I was being a smart ass, but it comes down to how much time on road to off road I suppose, but on the disco I was cutting out rear disks and pads faster than front about every 20 000klm. On the county I spent a bit of time getting my head around it and then getting it all sorted and working well. I am happy that I did rather than change it over to disks and as I said, she will stop better than most disk defenders

Yeah but you can't get enough speed up between corners to use the brakes on a County AND any car travelling at 50kph will stop better than something travelling at 100kph:p

Redback 1 clean 0:tease:

[juddy]

So if that's what Lyntons told you too, why do you say no-one wants them?

Sorry half a sleep, yes they said the Defender is doing well, but the 90 no ones bothered.

[disco2hse]

I love that word "nauseatingly" mmmmm "naw zee ate ing lee", sounds like two chinese cannibals.

hehe. Nope. Just one them ;)

Alan

[disco2hse]

If they wanted to get serious about commercial Land Rovers, they'd put airbags in the 110 as standard and perhaps optionally on the 130. They'd get more market traction doing that than bringing in the 90.

And that's from a 90 owner...

Yep. That is one of the main reasons I decided no. There were other reasons too but that was a biggie...

The 90 is great off-road but suffers the choppiness of the SWB on-road. Been in a couple here.

Alan

[clean32]

Yeah but you can't get enough speed up between corners to use the brakes on a County AND any car travelling at 50kph will stop better than something travelling at 100kph:p

Redback 1 clean 0:tease:

LOL well thats a point LOL

[Scouse]

There's a grey one arriving here in the next few days.
It's just arrived & has a few things I wasn't expecting:
Fold down rear seats
SVX type wheels
Sunroof


This one looks a bit bland in Stornoway but still a very nice package all the same.

[disco2hse]

pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures

[juddy]

It's just arrived & has a few things I wasn't expecting:
Fold down rear seats
SVX type wheels
Sunroof


This one looks a bit bland in Stornoway but still a very nice package all the same.

I think the wheels and sunroof were part of the extras pack...

[Scouse]

I think the wheels and sunroof were part of the extras pack...They could well be. I think this one is destined to spend it's early lfe as a press car.

[juddy]

They could well be. I think this one is destined to spend it's early lfe as a press car.


Non - the less, thoses different wheels look very nice..... and at $750 over the boost not bad value.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/01/599.jpg

[dullbird]

I tell you what If I was an SXV owner I would be pretty ****ed off that OFF the shelf cars were coming out with features of a car that were supposed to be limited addition. Like the wheels for instance.

[VladTepes]

You'd get over it.

[dullbird]

You'd get over it.

of course you would but it would me make bitter for a while that I spent and extra 14 grand or what ever it was for features that came out on a 50 grand car less than 3 years later:D

[Grockle]

I tell you what If I was an SXV owner I would be pretty ****ed off that OFF the shelf cars were coming out with features of a car that were supposed to be limited addition. Like the wheels for instance.

Harley Davidson the other agricultural vehicle suppliers ;) who if it's a ltd edition all the parts are protected and will only supply on proof of log book,I had to have the rear mudguard on my 35th Anniversary Superglide replaced due to a paint fault but they would only supply the dealer after seeing proof it was genuine bike,that's what keeps them ltd editons.

[VladTepes]

A limited edition Harley is still a rubbish bike....

(flame suit on!)


Seriously $14K for the SVX extras including a cheap cable ipod integration stereo...

they saw the buyers coming I;d say.....

[VladTepes]

Perhaps this will increase interest in the 90's....

Road to the Pro (http://blog.quiksilver.com.au/)

[VladTepes]

http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9008483&a

[Sleepy]

Hmmmmmm......Perhaps:Thump:

Fooly sik m8:p