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VladTepes
18th January 2010, 04:39 PM
I posted the following on another forum:



From time to time the fortunate among us are faced with a dilemma. We need a new four wheel drive. Something to take us from A to B during the week and from A to C (our happiest hunting grounds) on weekends. The problem is that there is a dizzying array from which to choose. It wasn’t like that ion the old days. If you wanted a four wheel drive you could have a Jeep. Then you could have a Jeep or a Land Rover. Then nothing happened for a while, and then you could have a Jeep (unchanged since it was invented), a Land Rover (also unchanged) or a Toyota LandCruiser (a copy of both of the above). Of course if you lived in Soviet Russia you had even less of a choice. If the state determined that you needed one, you could get a Lada Niva. Otherwise you would have a donkey, or you would be shot.

These days, in Australia, we have plenty of choice. Indeed too much choice. Wagon or Ute? (Twin Cab, Single Cab or Extended Cab? Tray or tub?). Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Ford, Land Rover, Saaaanannggggyyooonnnnng gggg, or (not so) Great Wall. And so it goes on. Confusing? Absolutely. Or at least it would be except that I am here to help you.

Let’s consider seriously for a moment buying a Land-Rover. (stay with me). There are plenty of (well, three) people on this forum who have smug grins plastered across their faces at this point, but that will change. Having decided to consider a Land Rover – which one will you buy? A Range Rover? Only the preposterously rich or criminally insane would pit the metallic pearl mica duco of a Range Rover against the Lantana-choked fire trails of our state forests. Even the sheer industrial “Britishness” of it, isn’t enough to guarantee free passage, and hasn’t been since the Zulu wars. A Discovery perhaps? Very good cars too, but properly expensive. Essentially you face the same issues that you have with the Range Rover – namely that you are poor – so we can rule out the Disco. A Freelander? Well, even Land-Rover-o-philes try not to talk about those. It’s not that there’s anything wrong with them it’s just that they are not built for you, they are built for other people. Which leaves you with the Defender, which in turn leaves you with a few problems. Do you have a right elbow? Never mind, there’s a window you can hang it out of. Do you have a left knee? Perhaps you could have the handbrake removed. But the biggest problem is NVH. This is a manufacturers term for “Noise, Vibration and Harshness”. Unfortunately while the Axis powers took this to mean “less”, the British took it as a command. We must have noise! We must have vibration! We must have harshness! Whilst the designers didn’t quite nail the Harshness they certainly got the Noise and Vibration bang on. There’s plenty. Cunningly this means you can’t hear the radio, so you turn it up. Eventually you end up with industrial deafness. Now here’s the brilliant part. Land Rover can lay the blame squarely at YOUR feet, claiming that your lack of hearing is a result of your having your stereo wound up too loud. It’s Genius really.

So you can’t (or certainly shouldn’t) buy a Land Rover after all. Assuming you want to live a long and happy life, you wouldn’t buy a Great Wall. Not any time this Century anyway. Assuming you want to keep your friends, you have to rule out the Saaaanannggggyyooonnnnng gggg, Imagine having to tell people that at parties. This leaves us with the Japanese offerings (and their badge engineered brethren). A Toyota driver will always think a Toyota is superior. He is wrong. Similarly Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Ford, Isuzu, Holden owners. They’re all wrong. And they are all right, too.

Looking for a new four wheel drive? Just buy another one of what you already have, or don’t buy one at all. At least that way someone is happy, and most importantly… it’s you.





I'd ask those who are on both forums to please keep their traps shut on the other forum, regarding my secret identity !

Ta muchly.

Grumbles
18th January 2010, 05:11 PM
Oii. Comrade Vladtepes. I had a Lada Niva once and I'm not a Russian nor do I live in Siberia. It took me, the little Comrades and the household Commanding Comrade every where the Politburo said we could go. Great little vehicle. Funny and contradictory really given that I now drive a Landrover and have no unused Landy spare parts but I've still got some brand new unused spare Lada Niva parts in the shed somewhere. Never needed them. Cheers. Comrade Grumbles.

VladTepes
18th January 2010, 05:17 PM
Da. Congratulations. You have been moved to the "Do NOT ship to Siberia" list.

The little Nivas were good fun little cars but why do we not see many of them around any more?
Have they all rusted away like Alfas or something?

PAT303
18th January 2010, 06:56 PM
So whats the other forum?. Pat

whitakerb
18th January 2010, 07:38 PM
The little Nivas were good fun little cars but why do we not see many of them around any more?
Have they all rusted away like Alfas or something?

It's ok my old lada made up for all the scrappy ones that are rusting in a field :)
As a 1997 model, it was the newest, and most enjoyable car I have ever owned.

The biggest downside was the blatent low quality parts. I have seen plastic packaging thicker than the plastic trim in the car. And I also bought some spares and never needed them. Other than CV boots and a rubber doughnut, it never had a drama.

Ben

Grumbles
18th January 2010, 08:27 PM
It's a shame that the Ladas didn't stay in Oz. What killed them wasn't the basic black and low grade interior, the smaller size of the car, the then new/unusual concept of the controls on the left hand side of the steering column or the relatively poor conversion from left hand drive to right hand drive.

No -what killed them was the majority of the motoring journalists of the day who couldn't [read didn't want to] get their head around the concept of an all wheel drive Russian, monocoque, four wheel drive with a rubber donut coupling in the drive system. Their prejudice and 'Ocker' alloofness/ignorance killed any chance the tough little Russian had here. A real shame in my opinion.

Scallops
19th January 2010, 05:44 AM
Bet they enjoyed the "Land Cruisers are just copies of Jeeps and Land Rovers" comment on the other forum. They seemed to when I made a similar comment some time ago.

disco2hse
19th January 2010, 07:12 AM
Have they all rusted away like Alfas or something?

Yep. Like VW bugs they have multiple layers of steel in the frame and those rust out badly.

There are quite a few around in NZ (good little socialist country that we are :p).

WhiteD3
19th January 2010, 07:48 AM
Do you have a right elbow? Never mind, there’s a window you can hang it out of. Do you have a left knee? Perhaps you could have the handbrake removed.

Funny but true. I would consider a Defender to replace the D3 in a year or so but the sad truth is, at 6'3" I can't fit in one.

Scallops
19th January 2010, 09:00 AM
Do you have a right elbow? Never mind, there’s a window you can hang it out of. Do you have a left knee? Perhaps you could have the handbrake removed.

Funny but true. I would consider a Defender to replace the D3 in a year or so but the sad truth is, at 6'3" I can't fit in one.

You know, I have been told 1 inch can make all the difference :eek: Of course, I never believed it until now! (I'm 6' 2") :D

VladTepes
19th January 2010, 03:57 PM
Yeah its not height but body shape - ie some have longer torsos, some have longer legs, some are fat buggers...