Who was/has been a HOON

[weeds]

a few threads discussing it.......

must admit i was i hoon in my late teens, 17yo, V8 HQ panel van cut down into a ute, fri/sat night drags out near the airport, burn outs/line lockies in the industrial estate, top speed down appy straight, spend the weekend polishing the cars for dean st runs, had my car confiscated for 4 weeks (and this was way before hooning laws 1989, but i was in no position to question my boss)

must admit looking back now it was quite silly and dangerous at times/most of the time, grew out of it pretty quick when i nearly lost my licence in 91, at the tender age of 21 i gave up V8 and brought a 4wd. wouldn't have change a thing cause that was us......

out of here:burnrubber::burnrubber:

[hiline]

i liked to hoon around when i first got my licence :D

but not much of a hoon as such.........

the odd burnout and maybe some speeding :angel:

i must confess to buying a V12 Jag when i was 19,man that thing used to go fast
i remember one night by myself doing 240K's done the freeway :wasntme:

[rmp]

These days a hoon is anyone booked for speeding.

In my view, a real hoon is an irresponsible driver which may or may not involve excessive speeding. For example those idiots lighting up the tyres not far away from my house. Driving to scare other people, intentionally or not. Hanging the back end out around rounadbouts intentionally. Racing on the streets, that sort of thing.

For me a hoon also had to endanger, scare or worry other people. A few boys doing what boys do far from anyone else is quite different to playing V8 Supercars around the suburbs.

Hoonery isn't just speed, it's an attitude.

[Bigbjorn]

Originally a hoon was a man who lived off the earnings of prostitution. "Hooning off her" was a classic use.

Next the word came to refer to anti-social teenage louts in the period after the terms bodgie and widgie fell into disuse. These were usually the groups that hung around late night hamburger shops and milk bars. No connection then with motor vehicles other than some of the group may have had vehicles.

Nowadays it seems to refer to anyone of any age who uses a motor vehicle in a manner not approved of by police, politicians, and bureaucrats.

[Fusion]

I was a hoon ( could still be one ) . 18-19 years of age with a 400hp commodore that required 2 to 3 sets of rear tyres a week :eek::angel: . would also go through $150 of fuel a week ( petrol was 85c ) .

Building another commodore now so may not have grown out of it just yet !

[WhiteD3]

Call me boring but I was never a hoon. Loved my cars too much to treat them badly. Had mates who were hoons and I found travelling with them scary as their opinions of their driving skills didn't match reality.

[ashman]

I'm still a hoon, I think being 51 now I would out grow it but I still like fast cars into fast motorcycles and right into fast and powerfull dirt bike, but one thing I have learned is when you have to get this out of your system is I do my hooning by myself and away from anyone, don't involve anyone and if my kids see me do somethink silly I explan to them what could happen if I made a mistake, I have had some close encounters over the years and lost a few friends as well, but I think it has made me a better driver and more into the safety side of things now as well the safety gear you have these days is so much better than 35 years ago...

Ashley

[CraigE]

It depends what you deem a hoon. There are just too many definitions of a hoon these days. While I could be defined as a hoon in my young days, I was not one of these people that did burnouts all over town and high speed through town and never ever drove under the influence. We used to go to old mine car parks (closed) and do burnouts, deserted dirt roads to do drifties. Have been guilty of speeding but picked time and places, not just anywhere. Of course reving V8s and chirpies etc, but never cut loose in town. Also drag raced on public roads, but not condoning it, it was reasonablly safe stretch of road with vehicles posted either end of the 2km straight stretch that at the time did not get much traffic with radio comms for us to shut anything down if any traffic was approaching and from either end you could see traffic approcahing from 4kms. No facilities for doing any of this within 600kms. Drivers were not allowed or supposed to drink. Police even tolerated it to a fair extent.
Then there is stuff we did in dirt bikes, mostly off road, but under the definition widely used today would be hooning.
Then there is what we all do now in 4X4s, if we are going to be realistic then that is hooning too, just because you are off road and in a 4X4 does not make it any different.
I still love speed, burnouts etc but refrain from it most of the time and would generally only do a burnout on private property. Kids are going to pretty much do it regardless what we say, so I would rather make sure they did it in as much as practicable a safer environment if possible.
The biggest issue I see these days is not the burnout but the high speed burnout / drift that gets out of control on public roads.
To show I am not just a hoon;) we actually reported and had a car impounded when a idiot in a SS VE came out behind us and just launched, burnout marks for 200m off the side of the road in dirt (dark area if someone was on the footpath/verge there is no way he would have been able to see them and they would be dead), back on again etc. We were doing 60kms and had 150m gap and even with the burnout he caught us before finishing the burnout and he would have been 25 plus.
I think where it should come into play is if it is defined as dangerous driving (and the real definition, even though I know just doing a chirpie you can be booked as dangerous driving). Even drink and drug driving and this is the biggest combined issue and is eveident in most accidents like the serious one last week.

[cookiesa]

Bit boring but another one who has never been in to "hooning". Lost several friends in to gum trees before I started driving, The trees always won. I was more interested in diesel 4x4's... not enough go to spin the wheels in those lol

[robzilla]

been in a car club since i was 18, do all my hooning around Sandown, Philip Island, Winton and motorkhana's at DECA :D
much more fun on a track when you're not looking out for cameras, police...pedestrians :whistling:

[stig0000]

im 19, i hang out at 7 11 till 2-3 in the morning, go out to place were there is no one about for Ks and watch my mates pull masive power skids,, drag race, all that stuff, but all my mates no the limit of what they can do, all of us have lost to meny frends from been idiots in town back streets,

we like cars for cars, and respect that if you over step it just buy a tiny bit, they will kill you,

i cant say i own a fast car,(defender:D) but we all not when your having fun and just been a idiot round other people, i think there is a big diffrence

[disco2hse]

Here's a hoon and here's the damage a hoon does when they harmlessly do a burn out. Remember some poor bugger has to clean up afterwards.

V8 ute driver's $25K burnout - National - NZ Herald News (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10621878)

[V8Ian]

im 19, i hang out at 7 11 till 2-3 in the morning, go out to place were there is no one about for Ks and watch my mates pull masive power skids,, drag race, all that stuff, but all my mates no the limit of what they can do, all of us have lost to meny frends from been idiots in town back streets,

we like cars for cars, and respect that if you over step it just buy a tiny bit, they will kill you,

i cant say i own a fast car,(defender:D) but we all not when your having fun and just been a idiot round other people, i think there is a big diffrence
Your (and your mates) period of expertise is drawing to a close. From the age 20-25 drivers lose the ability to handle a motor vehicle in a manner better than world class race and rally drivers. This is reflected in insurance premiums, excesses and exclusions; and further bourne out in the demographics of the road toll. All those sensible drivers killing the "expert" hoons, it's just criminal.
I amaze myself, that I have justified such a moronic post.

[dobbo]

Originally a hoon was a man who lived off the earnings of prostitution. "Hooning off her" was a classic use.




Thats one definition I have heard, but I was of the other kind.

I got caught a few times

[big guy]

Yep, I was a hoon.
I am very glad I lived through it though and never hurt anyone.

These days young kids drink more, drive faster cars and think they are heros.

Impress a girl in bed or with your wit not a hoon car.

Too many Need for speed games out too.
Although I must admit to liking them myself.
old hoon that I am.

[big guy]

im 19, i hang out at 7 11 till 2-3 in the morning, go out to place were there is no one about for Ks and watch my mates pull masive power skids,, drag race, all that stuff, but all my mates no the limit of what they can do, all of us have lost to meny frends from been idiots in town back streets,

we like cars for cars, and respect that if you over step it just buy a tiny bit, they will kill you,

i cant say i own a fast car,(defender:D) but we all not when your having fun and just been a idiot round other people, i think there is a big diffrence
Stig!!!! Tell your mates that its not actually cool and will not get them laid. Well maybe but usually not with the type you like to bring home to meet the parents.

I have lost 2 friends with dick head drivers, it will scar you, your mates and a long line of family and friends for life.
Stay away, get the Defender bogged and live.

Can you please have a read of your post before you submit, its hard to read with spelling. Not having a go at you, just have a read and see what I mean.

i like your contributions and look forward to another qualified landy mechanic emerging.
stay save and drive careful mate, life is short.:):):)

[CraigE]

im 19, i hang out at 7 11 till 2-3 in the morning, go out to place were there is no one about for Ks and watch my mates pull masive power skids,, drag race, all that stuff, but all my mates no the limit of what they can do, all of us have lost to meny frends from been idiots in town back streets,

we like cars for cars, and respect that if you over step it just buy a tiny bit, they will kill you,

i cant say i own a fast car,(defender:D) but we all not when your having fun and just been a idiot round other people, i think there is a big diffrence
Stigg,
sorry but your mates while they may limit their activities will honestly not know their limits as situations can change very quickly. I love a good burnout, but things can arise you would never expect. I have lost a few mates over the years. I can genuinelly say none were killed doing burnouts, but burnouts may have been initially involved. The big killer is speed and alcohol, when combined with a car and bravado doing burnouts it often ends in tragedy. This is why when I was young I would never ever drink drive or at high speed in an inappropriate place and I was still breaking the law. The momment alcohol or drugs become involved you need to walk away, or if these activities take place in suburban areas with any traffic. It is so easy to lose control unexpectedly and its not about the person taking the risk getting hurt it is about other road users, pedestrians and passenger who did not consent to the risk.
Cheers
CraigE

[cinders]

Was a shocking hoon in my early days. Burnouts, dragging, big fishies (in the wet cause I had crap tyres) Then I got into road bikes and hooning took on an all new meaning:D but about $5000 in fines and losing my licence about half a dozen times certainly slowed me back down. Well now I just putt along in my defender but I have to admit I still hoon on my bike, after all it is a speed triple, the ultimate hoon bike;)

[Zute]

I think the only reason some of us survived the 80's is our cars (even the V8's ) didnt have much power or good handling. A V6 dunnydoor these days has more power than a 5L HQ. Twin cam exels will eat Dato 1600 (which I had )
I really thought I was a brillant driver. Than I joined a car club and meet drivers who could drive slow cars incredably fast at tracks. But drove so carefully on the road.
Stig, your user name says every thing about your attitude. I hope luck is on your side and you live long.

[LandyAndy]

Yep
Done some stupid stuff when I was younger and survived somehow.
Still do stupid stuff as we all do,not hooning though.I did grow up and survive it.Buying diesel powered vehicles helps;););)
Hoons really annoy me these days,I must be getting OLD!!!
Andrew

[justinc]

Guilty.

Yup survived some stupid behaviour as a youth with attitude both in cars and bikes,(still got heaps of injury pain to remind me), now a grumpy old fogey with attitude:(

Just today I got busted by the better half who happened to glance across to the speedo of the LS400 whilst returning from a drive up the midlands highway and back.:( Wasn't going too fast for the conditions AND I had just overtaken another vehicle, but the law is the law....:angel:

Anyway, just because I and others survived our youth behaving like that, is no reason to suggest others SHOULD do it. So take note Stig and other younguns here, the old git has handed down his advice - live long and enjoy your Landies:)


JC

[Johnno1969]

I don't think I was ever actually a hoon, but when I was 18 I sure liked dropping burnouts in my Charger.

Actually, I guess I was a bit confused at the time, because I had stickers on the rear window saying things like "No Dams" and "World Heritage is Forever".........

[Cosmic Tourist]

The Haynes Discovery repair manual talks about learning by experience. The definition they have of learning by experience is "whoops, that was close". I admit to considering myself moderately experienced and may be why I drive so slow.
Or is it the lovely sound of the TD5 at low revs?

[Shonky]

Guilty. :angel:

I wanted to buy a Range Rover Classic when I was 17, but the guvmint in all their wisdom told me I couldn't have one! Why, you ask? Because it has a V8 engine and as such is a "high performance hoon machine" :eek2: Never mind that it is a piddly little 3.5 V8, and that there is nothing high performance about the handling of a RRC (except off-road... B) )

:mad: Arseholes...

So what did I do? I went and bought myself a Ford Fairmont Ghia, with a 4.0L 6 pot. B)


That thing went hard... :twisted:

Over the next few years I had it sideways, backwards, almost upside down... you name it. I lost my licence for three months for doing 115 through the Harbour Tunnel (80 limit) - it should have been six months but the nice magistrate went easy on me. (I should also point out that I wasn't "hooning" so much as not paying attention to the speed limit on a three laned road at 2am)

Poor old "Monty" was retired early last year, after being handed down to Mrs Shonky who managed to reverse into, sideswipe, nose nudge and scrape every conceivable object known to man. Having 350,000kms on the clock didn't help either... (NB: Mrs Shonky now has discovered the art of paying attention in carparks and as such no longer has a penchant for damaging our cars!)


Nowadays, I finally have my RRC - and I drive sedately and just let my little V8 poke along. :) No screaming six...


I would like to suggest that hooning hasn't gotten worse. Old people just forget that they were young hooligans once too!

[Albert]

I was in my younger days a bit of a hoon, wasnt game enough to go too hard because I didn't want to damage my cars or pay for damage - probaly more of a fast cruiser than hoon really.... Untill I got a V8, XE Fairmont Ghia, with a bit of work done to it. Along the open straits around the riverina I could floor it at 200km/h and it would throw you back in the seat.
Thats about when I stopped being a hoon at all. No fun in it when you have a car that can do silly speeds. I enjoyed the old HD and the 180B, Sigma and things that you to work hard to get them to go, and you still wernt doing real fast speeds.
I hate it when you hear the media saying the "Hoons" are bad drivers, When you practice you get good! Just because they are not following the rules dosent mean that they are not skilled drivers. And Im sure if you sent them on a advanced driving cource they would love it, I would have back then. Would have been able to go even faster around corners.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I enjoy driving, but don't consider myself a hoon.

[loanrangie]

Never been a hoon even when my only transport was a RGV250 at 17, i used to hang around with my older brother and his mates that had hot cars- BMW323I with a 350 SBC, 6 pack charger, V6 GT capri with a 250 2V /triple webers /toploader/ vgate shifter, GT V6 capri with a 327 SBC, XB panelvan 351 cleveland and everyone bar the BMW was written off on drug/ alcohol fueled benders. That was enough to cool my heels .

[agrojnr]

I was a different type of hoon

I like to go fast (very) and I don't see the point in doing burnouts (unless in comp)

When I was 21 I was done twice for doing 4x the speed limit:eek:

Now days I still go slightly paste the speed limit but not like I used too

Adam

[waz]

Yeah guilty.

Bikes not cars though. First transport was an XL250, then a 500, then a 600, then a ZZR1100 (I was 20 when I got this). A lot of people where surprised I survived the experience. I had to replace tyres every 3000kms and brakes every 5000kms. It still brings a guilty smile to my face.

I found cars just became basic transport after owning bikes.

Family, changes perspective pretty quickly. Now I'm the first to label someone an idiot. Talk about hypocracy....

Waz

[Dmmos]

Guilty. :angel:

I wanted to buy a Range Rover Classic when I was 17, but the guvmint in all their wisdom told me I couldn't have one! Why, you ask? Because it has a V8 engine and as such is a "high performance hoon machine" :eek2: Never mind that it is a piddly little 3.5 V8, and that there is nothing high performance about the handling of a RRC (except off-road... B) )

:mad: Arseholes...

So what did I do? I went and bought myself a Ford Fairmont Ghia, with a 4.0L 6 pot. B)


That thing went hard... :twisted:

Over the next few years I had it sideways, backwards, almost upside down... you name it. I lost my licence for three months for doing 115 through the Harbour Tunnel (80 limit) - it should have been six months but the nice magistrate went easy on me. (I should also point out that I wasn't "hooning" so much as not paying attention to the speed limit on a three laned road at 2am)

Poor old "Monty" was retired early last year, after being handed down to Mrs Shonky who managed to reverse into, sideswipe, nose nudge and scrape every conceivable object known to man. Having 350,000kms on the clock didn't help either... (NB: Mrs Shonky now has discovered the art of paying attention in carparks and as such no longer has a penchant for damaging our cars!)


Nowadays, I finally have my RRC - and I drive sedately and just let my little V8 poke along. :) No screaming six...


I would like to suggest that hooning hasn't gotten worse. Old people just forget that they were young hooligans once too!

:o Who would've thought?

I remember when those laws came in, I was lucky that I had just gotten my red P's before they were introduced - which let me drive the 04 Rangie :cool:

They are some nonsense laws though :mad:

I had my odd moment when I first got my P's, but now that I've got my full licence (2 weeks ago - :banana: :banana: :banana:) I am a menace (15km/h over the limit is my new minimum on the highways :()...

I figure I can get caught a couple of times without too much pain (especially now that 10km/h over is only 1 demerit point).

For what it's worth - losing your licence for 3 months for any speeding offence (as it is now for P platers) is so far over the top its ludicrous. As is making learner drivers drive 80km/h on 110km/h roads - it's not smart.

I honestly believe that the speed I travel now on the Hume from here to Sydney has resulted in a significantly reduced amount of fatigue.

I don't tailgate or do anything stupid, but I keep my speed up these days.

[CraigE]

Never been a hoon even when my only transport was a RGV250 at 17, i used to hang around with my older brother and his mates that had hot cars- BMW323I with a 350 SBC, 6 pack charger, V6 GT capri with a 250 2V /triple webers /toploader/ vgate shifter, GT V6 capri with a 327 SBC, XB panelvan 351 cleveland and everyone bar the BMW was written off on drug/ alcohol fueled benders. That was enough to cool my heels .
Key words "Drug & Alcohol". enough said.

[waynep]

I think I was what you'd these days call a hoon,

but in a Hillman Hunter there's only a certain amount of trouble you can cause...

the kids today are in vehicles 10 times as powerful and three times as fast ....

[loanrangie]

Key words "Drug & Alcohol". enough said.

Not always but quite often they were the result of either, not hard drugs just weed but still they all had hot cars and to see them turned to scrap was enough warning for me.

[Sprint]

Was I a hoon? guilty as sin on that one, still am, wasnt much for the drag racing/burnout set, too slow to drag, and burnouts are murder on your car.....

show me a twisty road though, and i'm in my element...........

[Ace]

I never used to do burnouts and the such, and to this day i think i have only ever done 1 half arsed one, mainly due to the cost of replacing tyres, but also due largely to having a 1600 escort which wasnt really the best burnout car.

But i used to go out and find and nice loose gravel road and drive it like i stole it.

[CraigE]

Not always but quite often they were the result of either, not hard drugs just weed but still they all had hot cars and to see them turned to scrap was enough warning for me.
Just weed???? Well infact that is one of the worst for being a major contributor to incidents as reactions are slowed dramatically. Plenty of studies and stats on that. It does not have to be harder drugs and often crashes actually occur as they are coming down. Of course there are crashes without alcohol and drugs, but the majority of accidents of this nature one or the other is more often than not involved. Add this to the mix and traffic offences and driving habbits suddenly become exacerbated. The sad thing is if you listen or read most of these stories they will quietlly say drugs or alcohol is involved but often concentrate on the hoon aspect. Not condoning hoon activities, but these two items make it much more likely to occur. Even on weed people can feel bullet proof.
Glad you did learn to avoid it.

[BigJon]

show me a twisty road though, and i'm in my element...........

Many twisty roads in central Queensland? :D

[harry]

nah. wasn't me.
'cept for a trip mrb airport 1630hrs mildura airport 1900hrs.
motorcycle about '73
3.5 hours and it was wet for half the trip.


a friends humber about '73- geelong to mel, 110mph, and a car infront, about lara hit the bridge and rolled in front of me, and over the top of the motorcycle in front of me.


oh, i may have driven cars faster than the speed limit also, but all that has changed.



















i don't own a motorbike.


i might have some other things to relate, but maybe over a beer or two.


threw a rod on my first car at the 27 mile post on my way to geelong at about midnight, no fun, dad wouldn't come and get me. i think we were doing 80 mph at the time, so much for dad telling me that the only car that ever passed him was a vanguard!!!!!!!!



now where can i get a 2 1/2 riley?





now you youngsters, listen to your elders, as we know best.





and we may have done it and know why you shouldn't

or we can teach you!

[BBC]

now you youngsters, listen to your elders, as we know best.

and we may have done it and know why you shouldn't

or we can teach you!

I like to think I listened to my elders. There was so much my Grandfather had seen in his time, from being a settler, farming in the bush, war, seeing a car for the first time, seeing an airplane for the first time, TV, watching man land on the moon, computers. God bless him.

Those that can, reflect on how much you knew at:

8;
18;
28;
38;
48 (I am crashing into that this year);

How much more is there that I will know at 58?

I feel that children in our society are encouraged to be dismissive of the knowledge of their elders...what do other people think?

Opinions and thoughts from all age groups on AULRO?

[V8Ian]

:o Who would've thought?

I remember when those laws came in, I was lucky that I had just gotten my red P's before they were introduced - which let me drive the 04 Rangie :cool:

They are some nonsense laws though :mad:

I had my odd moment when I first got my P's, but now that I've got my full licence (2 weeks ago - :banana: :banana: :banana:) I am a menace (15km/h over the limit is my new minimum on the highways :()...

I figure I can get caught a couple of times without too much pain (especially now that 10km/h over is only 1 demerit point).

For what it's worth - losing your licence for 3 months for any speeding offence (as it is now for P platers) is so far over the top its ludicrous. As is making learner drivers drive 80km/h on 110km/h roads - it's not smart.

I honestly believe that the speed I travel now on the Hume from here to Sydney has resulted in a significantly reduced amount of fatigue.

I don't tailgate or do anything stupid, but I keep my speed up these days.
How the ??? do you get fatigued between Sutton Forest and Sydney?:confused:

[V8Ian]

Many twisty roads in central Queensland? :D
There' an 'S' bend in the middle of his village that a triple can fit through.;)

[M.Allison]

hrmm am i classified as a hoon if i wrote off my Twin Turbo HKS rebuilt 1998 Toyota Supra? or am i classified as a hoon for loosing my licence twice for speeding? or is it the fact my dads a police officer?

ahahah either way these days i believe in only speed if you have the money to throw away.....because you will get caught...eventually

Mike

[Dmmos]

How the ??? do you get fatigued between Sutton Forest and Sydney?:confused:

Lol - didn't know what you meant...

I used to leave sutton forest, get to Sydney, work like a black dog delivery pizzas till around 11, then head back to Sutton Forest (with the M5 closed, which it always was :s) - it's not a long trip but late at night after work it was enough for me... (I am a little soft, also :p)

[Sprint]

Many twisty roads in central Queensland? :D
more than a few...... not too many i'd wanna try doing anything silly without getting the road closed to general traffic first though!

[rovercare]

I feel that children in our society are encouraged to be dismissive of the knowledge of their elders...what do other people think?



I don;t believe you:p:D

[marko66]

Hi All

I guess some people may have classified me as a hoon i just prefer to say i don't like slowing down for corners :D

I've done street drags, burnouts, donuts and all sorts of stuff that shouldn't be mentioned but not in suburban areas or traffic situations normally.

I don't think that people are doing much more or less than what we did when we were young but as some guys have alluded to the problem is that the performance of the cars has improved so far in that time.

Standard hq 202 auto had troubles getting over 145 kph standard VN commodore 200 kph. I drove a new lancer the other day and i'm sure it would take my old hq 253 sedan in a straight line, braking and maybe on the corners - the hq wasnt standard in the handling department:D

I think that the main difference is the huge increase in stock vehicle performance allowing people to make poor decisions at greater speeds

Regards Mark

[Scallops]

I've always been impressed by hoons doing burnouts in the wee hours - so much so, that I've decide that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

So just as soon as Matilda is registered - hoonism here I come! :coplight:

[series3]

They are some nonsense laws though :mad:



The laws in NSW are ridiculous. If I got my P's a week or two later it would have meant I couldn't drive dad's td5 or even my brother's 300tdi, but Mum's 180kW BMW was fine. How stupid.

[Quarks]

:confused:

Why wouldn't you be able to drive a td5 or tdi? I know they're turbocharged, but I thought diesels were exempt.

:)

[AKW]

I never had the vehicle to be a hoon (xc 2.2 ute then 302 swb f100).
But i keep getting told to slow down when ever the wife is with me
usually only 5 to 10 over but.....

Andrew

'93 tdi200 disco
'65 88" S2a

[series3]

:confused:

Why wouldn't you be able to drive a td5 or tdi? I know they're turbocharged, but I thought diesels were exempt.

:)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought any sort of forced induction ruled the car out.

[B92 8NW]

Most turbodiesels are exempt - eg a TDV8 comes under eight cylinders or more, therefore it's out.

[Shonky]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought any sort of forced induction ruled the car out.

Consider yourself corrected. ;)

P1 and P2 vehicle and passenger conditions (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/car/p1p2_conditions.html'llid=4)

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downloads/200909_prohibited_vehicles_list.pdf

[Shonky]

Most turbodiesels are exempt - eg a TDV8 comes under eight cylinders or more, therefore it's out.

Not in NSW... TDV8 is permitted - only because it is a Diesel. ;)

[Dmmos]

Not in NSW... TDV8 is permitted - only because it is a Diesel. ;)

Today's SMH;

P-platers bemused by restrictions (http://smh.drive.com.au/blanket-bans-leave-novices-in-the-dark--and-in-danger-20100130-n5ha.html?autostart=1)

[DEFENDERZOOK]

maybe todays p-platers should just stick to push bikes.......

just to save on the confusion.......





is it too hard to simply say....cars over x-amount of killerwatts are banned......
irrespective of cylinder formation.....capacity......induction.....etc.....
wouldnt that be a simpler system.....?

[rmp]

maybe todays p-platers should just stick to push bikes.......

just to save on the confusion.......





is it too hard to simply say....cars over x-amount of killerwatts are banned......
irrespective of cylinder formation.....capacity......induction.....etc.....
wouldnt that be a simpler system.....?




It would be simpler, and just as wrong. Take a look at the specs for the Lotus Elise and then the Toyota Camry. Power to weight ratio makes far more sense.

Personally I think all this is stupid anyway and the best solution is proper driver training. These days the basic cars are more powerful than the GTIs I lusted after in my late teens and we could easily get into trouble even with those.

[Lucus]

Am I a hoon, No, do i enjoy enthusiastically driving a car with 400kw that I have built with my own hands, Yes.

Do I enjoy hanging out with like minded enthusiasts, Yes.

Do i like the fact that thanks to the media im tarred with the same brush ad idiots doing twice the speed limited in heaps of shiit with bald tires, knackered suspension and ineffective braking systems..... NO

The hoon laws are the thin end of a very short wedge that is going to turn this country into a police state.:nazilock:

4wd owners could just as easily be a target if the media choose to go this way.

What about people travelling 20 to 30km's under the speed limit in the right hand lane of major highways/freeways. There decision to travel 30km's under the limit put a driver doing the speed limit in the same situation as a "hoon" doing 30k's over the limit approaching traffic travelling at the limit.

Are they booked and are they cars confiscated???


I could go on all day but i think a cup of tea and a lie down might be in order.....:)

[Sprint]

Tributes flow in for teen crash victim (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1006127/teenager-killed-in-car-crash-in-nsw)

oh no..... what next? hyundai excel drivers being labelled as hoons?

[Grover-98]

Bit boring but another one who has never been in to "hooning". Lost several friends in to gum trees before I started driving, The trees always won. I was more interested in diesel 4x4's... not enough go to spin the wheels in those lol

100% ditto that! i am currently in what would be labeled the typical hoon age... and i in no means have the urge to do the stupid things i see others do. Being a fire fighter we get many MVA's and when your first on scene to a fatal incident or one which has caused great distress to those involved you truly watch yourself. But regardless of being a hoon or not... the road is a dangerous place. I drive by this moto

"think everyone else on the road has NO idea what they are doing"

James.

[Sprint]

"think everyone else on the road has NO idea what they are doing"
or to quote just about anyone who rides a motorbike:

"think everyone else is out to kill you"

[FIXR7]

Am I a hoon, No, do i enjoy enthusiastically driving a car with 400kw that I have built with my own hands, Yes.

Do I enjoy hanging out with like minded enthusiasts, Yes.

Do i like the fact that thanks to the media im tarred with the same brush ad idiots doing twice the speed limited in heaps of shiit with bald tires, knackered suspension and ineffective braking systems..... NO

The hoon laws are the thin end of a very short wedge that is going to turn this country into a police state.:nazilock:

4wd owners could just as easily be a target if the media choose to go this way.

What about people travelling 20 to 30km's under the speed limit in the right hand lane of major highways/freeways. There decision to travel 30km's under the limit put a driver doing the speed limit in the same situation as a "hoon" doing 30k's over the limit approaching traffic travelling at the limit.

Are they booked and are they cars confiscated???


I could go on all day but i think a cup of tea and a lie down might be in order.....:)

Took the words right out of my mouth Lucas!
How bout the 60 year old guy in Perth in the nissan patrol who got his car taken for hooning because he drove through a 40kmh road work section at 82kmh(normal speed limit 80). "I'm not a Hoon" he said. Cops say they don't have discretionary options with this law. Well HOW ABOUT NOT EVEN CHARGING HIM AT ALL THEN!!??? There was no work going on! The signs were just left up over the weekend and when the work was occurring it wasn't actually on the road itself!! The "road" workers should be charged for not taking the signs down!

The wedge is already getting wider!
George Orwell was a visionary!

righto now back to my 351 conversion on my rangie:p

[flagg]

I love driving quickly but I'm not an idiot.

Join a car club. Learn to race, do timed trials, hill climbs etc. "Kick and giggle" motorsport isn't as expensive as you may think, and it's great fun.

Driving fast on a public road is just dumb - you'll just end up loosing your license / car.

The more people that support grass roots motorsport clubs and their tracks / complexes the more will open (well, the less will close :mad:), the more fun people will have, the fewer people will get on the wrong side of the law.

I was amazed how much I learned when I was being taught to drive on a track. It teaches driving skills AND discipline... Anyone can buy a fast car and push their right foot down...

[Disco Inferno]

20 years ago we had drifting but it was called 'being out of control'.

Cheers

[Ace]

I used to hoon a bit when I was younger, had a 1980 1600 4 Door Ford Escort, I spent more time on loose dirt roads hooking into corners and stuff honing my car control skills than I did driving like an idiot on the black stuff. Anyone can drive fast on the road.

I am not in the Police Force and whilst some of the hoon laws I do agree with, if you are going to pull a burnout at a set of traffic lights or in Maccas Carpark you deserved to have your car taken, sorry, and you dont have the right to whinge about it either.

Speeding is probably the most frequently broken law in the country, I can go out and speed in the Disco, but I would hardly describe myself as a hoon.

Hoon laws are nothing to do with the police, yes we are tasked with the unfortunate job of having to enforce them, but the laws themselves are a knee jerk reaction from government to negative press of anyone with a hotted up car. Creating the laws makes the general public, who dont understand the interest some people have in modifying cars, feel like the government is doing something.

Matt

[sheerluck]

I think it really depends on your definition of "hoon", as different people had different perceptions of what hooning actually is.

Take speeding as an example. Most drivers have at some point exceeded the speed limit, to a greater or lesser degree. But at what point does that make you a hoon? Is it doing 130km/h on an empty 110km/h stretch at 1am?

Or is it all about this attitude only? Driving along spinning your wheels at 20km/h under the speed limit?

I have exceeded the speed limit quite often, like trying out my new company car on a quiet motorway (burbleburbleburble...mp/h), but also sat at 210km/h on a German Autobahn.

Do I see myself as a past or present hoon? No.

[Bundalene]

My second car was an LJ GTR Torana, ex chase car, which I bought at the Police auctions. Need I say more .......


never got booked for speeding in the GTR.



I wish I still had that car.



Erich

[offrdn]

still is

[MickS]

Hoons...love it :D

YouTube - Performance Streetcar DVD - The Promo!


YouTube - Urban trial biking with Monster Energy's Fred Crosset

[Ace]

that trial bike riding is something else, immense skill involved in that. Its great to watch, and some of the stuff they get up and over has to be seen to be believed.

[V8Ian]

Agreed, quite a bit of skill, but would you want someone riding like that in public areas around your grandparents?

[Ace]

Agreed, quite a bit of skill, but would you want someone riding like that in public areas around your grandparents?

I didnt say I condoned him doing it on footpathes etc, I just said it involved a great deal of skill. There didnt seem to be many other people around though.

Matt

[Rosscoe68]

What about people travelling 20 to 30km's under the speed limit in the right hand lane of major highways/freeways. There decision to travel 30km's under the limit put a driver doing the speed limit in the same situation as a "hoon" doing 30k's over the limit approaching traffic travelling at the limit.

Are they booked and are they cars confiscated???


I could go on all day but i think a cup of tea and a lie down might be in order.....:)

Seriously, if you can't handle a situation where you come up behind traffic that is doing 30klms slower than you, and you haven't noticed WELL in time to avoid an accident, you shouldn't be on the road ! end of story there. i'll take my chances against an old driver doing 30 klms under the speed limit over some young dick doing 30 klms over the speed limit anyday.

p.s. i dont condone driving in the right lane whether you are doing the speed limit or not unless you are overtaking. thats what the right lanes are for, overtaking.

that's the problem, too many people on the road shouldn't be allowed to have licences. there seems to be this ludicrous attitude that everyone deserves to be on the road with a licence, when really it should be privilige that is earned, and definately not earned with a 5 minute multiple choice test.

i was not a hoon, not from lack of wanting, but due to being brought up as a diesel fitters son and as an apprentice mechanic myself, i could never bring myself to putting all that unneccessary stress on the diffs and gearboxes as required for burnouts. plus as an apprentice i couldnt afford new tyres every few weeks, so i kept my motoring fun to weekend club motorkhanas on grass where you never got out of 2nd gear and rarely out of 1st and there was little or no chance of ANYONE getting hurt.


p.p.s. thats not aimed at you Lucas, just realised re reading that post that i am attacking you, not intended as that way. :) just replying in general quoting your post.

[stevo]

I was a bit of a hoon in my younger days, had a CA bedford van shoe horned a worked 186 motor into it along with the auto trans kept the orginal low ratio diff in it could drag all the V8's in town from the lights till about 50 MPH.

Now drag the odd toyota from the lights in the disco some habits die hard:p

[Ace]

I was a bit of a hoon in my younger days, had a CA bedford van shoe horned a worked 186 motor into it along with the auto trans kept the orginal low ratio diff in it could drag all the V8's in town from the lights till about 50 MPH.

Now drag the odd toyota from the lights in the disco some habits die hard:p

so you didnt have a ford transit van with an XJ220 under it :D

[Rosscoe68]

I was a bit of a hoon in my younger days, had a CA bedford van shoe horned a worked 186 motor into it along with the auto trans kept the orginal low ratio diff in it could drag all the V8's in town from the lights till about 50 MPH.

Now drag the odd toyota from the lights in the disco some habits die hard:p

now that wouldn't happened to have had a Torana stud pattern diff and white sunraysures on it would it ?