ACE retro fit

[mattg]

Hi all

I am stugling to find a D2 Td5 7 seater with ACE but I have found some components on ebay and about the place. Is it possible to retro fit from new and second hand parts?

Cheers

Matt

[Slunnie]

Probably. The hydraulics must be kept absolutely 100% and totally clean though.

Bundalene on here dismantles D2's so it would be interesting to hear what his thoughts are.

[Hendrik]

I've seen someone sell the complete system before. I think it will be a bit fiddly to fit, the pipes especially. You will need a different fan belt to drive the ace pump as well as a different power steering reservior. The wiring for it is already there, I had a look under mine the other day and saw the wiring for the accelerometer thing attached to the sill. I would be interested to see how you go, keep us posted.

[bruiser69]

Hi all

I am stugling to find a D2 Td5 7 seater with ACE but I have found some components on ebay and about the place. Is it possible to retro fit from new and second hand parts?

Cheers

Matt

Personally I wouldn't do it. I purchased my 2000 TD5 deliberately without ACE or SLS, as I found the handling only marginally improved & you have all that extra to maintain & potentially go wrong. If you want better handling than standard fit some aftermarket suspension. Do a search on ACE issues in this forum.
Cheers..B

[Redback]

I have been contemplating whether it would be possible to put the OME airbags in the rear of my coil D2 without much drama.

Baz.

[itchynipl]

i was sure that most 7 seat discos were standard with ACE. All that i have looked have ACE. If they are selling on carsales or the like they may not have been given the option to list it or the owner simply doesnt know. You would need to check it out first that it doesnt have the ace because all I have seen do.

Personally i wouldnt retrofit ACE as there is so much componentry etc & will not be a easy job.

[BigJon]

I have been contemplating whether it would be possible to put the OME airbags in the rear of my coil D2 without much drama.

Baz.

Should be possible.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Bruiser
I think you will find the ACE system is about the least troublesome of any on the D2,a good indicator is the lack of posts asking how to fix ACE problems.
Where the ACE really comes into its own is when 2" lifts and taller tyres are fitted.
Mine still handles like its on rails despite having 235/85 tyres and +2" springs.Brilliant system!!!
Andrew

[Slunnie]

Absolutely, you virtually never hear of ACE problems anywhere.

It's an awesome system and I wouldn't go without it personally. Most that have it say the same. Stunning handling, flat cornering and a heap of additional articulation when offroad. This said, if you drive like a granny and seldom go offroad then you probably wont need it as it is a onroad and offroad performance option.

[Basil135]

i was sure that most 7 seat discos were standard with ACE. All that i have looked have ACE.

I have a 7 seat disco, without ACE. AFAIK it became an option on the update model like mine.

That said, when we purchased the car, I asked the dealer about it, he stated that it was a waste of time.

I have not had any experience with ACE, so will be following this thread with interest.

[Graeme]

I have been contemplating whether it would be possible to put the OME airbags in the rear of my coil D2 without much drama.

Baz.
I considered doing it to mine. The hardest part would be convincing a wrecker to remove the chassis harness, as I had several refusals even though it is quite simple. You would then need to extract the sensor and compressor wires unless the harness was an exact match for your configuration. Airbags, sensors and compressor costs could mount up.

[Graeme]

Hi all

I am stugling to find a D2 Td5 7 seater with ACE but I have found some components on ebay and about the place. Is it possible to retro fit from new and second hand parts?

Cheers

Matt
The original pipes between the pump and the valve block can only be installed with the engine out and must be cut (to be discarded) in a specific spot to remove with the engine in-situ. However replacement pipes in 2 sections are available and may have been installed in a vehicle if the original pipes had to be replaced. Mine has 1 2-section pipe because it was replaced.

Wiring harness to the ACE ecu is not part of the standard cabin harness but some wires plug into joiners above/behind the passenger footwell (eg speed signal). Others pass behind the dash/hvac unit bundled with the rest of the wiring. Hence the whole harness behind the dash and out into the engine bay fuse box would be required so that the ACE wires can be extracted.

IIRC there are different chassis wiring harness part numbers for ACE and non-ACE vehicles (& more combinations with and without SLS) so I would not expect the accelerometer wiring to normally exist.

Its too big a job in my books, knowing what I do about ACE, unless you are stripping out your dash and have access to the donor vehicle.

[Cosmic Tourist]

Isnt it simpler to fit a strong detachable swaybar, with remote access? Probably cheaper and money can be poured into suspension, steering damper, or polyairs.

[stig0000]

the ACE system is pretty well sorted i think, the only ones we have go wrong are the pumps are noisy and leak,, and the front ram leaks at the seal, that's it,
i think its alot more reliable then the new dynamic response,;) all tho no were near as good, and a completely different sys

[mattg]

Well I think I will be looking for one with the ACE, if I don't end up with it I will be upgrading springs shocks steering damper and spacers in the SLS.

With a 2 " lift do I need camber or caster adjustment?

Cheers

Matt

[BigJon]

With a 2 " lift do I need camber or caster adjustment?

Cheers

Matt

Lifting a live axle Disco won't alter the camber (in any meaningful way). A 2 inch lift probably won't require castor correction either.

[Hendrik]

Well I think I will be looking for one with the ACE, if I don't end up with it I will be upgrading springs shocks steering damper and spacers in the SLS.

With a 2 " lift do I need camber or caster adjustment?

Cheers

Matt

As mentioned, you shouldn't need a caster correction, its only if you go above 2in you start looking at caster issues. Make sure you space the front cross member down when you do the lift as the front prop shaft has a tendancy to make contact at full front flex.

[Disco_ute84]

I've just put OME airbags, (thanks bundalene), into the D2a ute. I'll put a thread up on what is involved when I get some time.

It is VERY straight forward.

Cheers,

Tim

[feraldisco]

I'll have become a very desperate man the day I start to take advice from dealers or dealer mechanics... An amateur enthusiast will always know more than a 'professional' salary collector...



I have a 7 seat disco, without ACE. AFAIK it became an option on the update model like mine.

That said, when we purchased the car, I asked the dealer about it, he stated that it was a waste of time.

I have not had any experience with ACE, so will be following this thread with interest.

[harlie]

Isnt it simpler to fit a strong detachable swaybar, with remote access? Probably cheaper and money can be poured into suspension, steering damper, or polyairs.

The whole idea of ACE is to give a tall vehicle the cornering characteristics of a sedan without shaking your internal organs while on uneven surface. So while corning it makes the swaybar “strong” but while travelling in a straight line it is soft, a trick that can’t be achieved with stiff springs or swaybars…
Big thumbs up for ACE

[mattg]

I'll have become a very desperate man the day I start to take advice from dealers or dealer mechanics... An amateur enthusiast will always know more than a 'professional' salary collector...

Hey Feraldisco you put that soooo well. I will NEVER take my car to a dealer for anything.

I have had them bend 6 Valves and refit a head with second hand use once head bolts.

I havn't found a good one.
CYA Matt

[Graeme]

ACE is locked bars above 40kph in a straight line. As the bars are thicker than non-ACE bars, any undulations encountered whilst in a straight line will toss the vehicle around more than a non-ACE bar. However at slower speeds ACE will partially or fully unlock the bars when it deduces rough road conditions from the accelerometers.
I have a speed signal generating box that is able to tell ACE that the vehicle is doing less than 40kph to get ACE to enable its rough road handling whilst doing any speed. Now that makes ACE ride undulations much more smoothly!

[bruiser69]

Absolutely, you virtually never hear of ACE problems anywhere.

It's an awesome system and I wouldn't go without it personally. Most that have it say the same. Stunning handling, flat cornering and a heap of additional articulation when offroad. This said, if you drive like a granny and seldom go offroad then you probably wont need it as it is a onroad and offroad performance option.

I was going by what dealer told me when I bought vehicle new in 2000. Dealer also said that services were more costly with ACE & it sapped some power from engine. Maybe he said all this because the ACE model was sold & he was not expecting stock for over a month & I had to do the deal before 30th June.
I drove one with & one without ACE pretty hard around a roundabout & didn't notice much difference..both went around like on rails.
My Son just bought a 2000 TD5 with ACE & SLS. He bought privately & I went with him for inspection. Only 173k, one owner with full LR service history & all service reports. We got seller down o $11K so excellent value for the money. I would love the SLS on mine, as with 150Kg on hitch from camper trailer the rear end gets pretty low in sand. Maybe I can con him into swaping discos? Don't think so!
Cheers..B

[mattg]

Nice Buy for your Son Bruiser69, that is just the car I am looking for and at the right price. I know it is out there. Must be patiant. I don't need to rush, I have untill June before I am giving the Foulcoon back at work.

Cheers

Matt

[billymon]

Has anyone done this? (retro fitted ACE). I'm contemplating it at the moment. I have access to the donor car but am thinking that it may be too much work.

[Disco Muppet]

It's a lot of work. Like, only if you're totally mental.
Which is why I have been looking at it :-)
You need the ace wiring on the main loom, all the parts, engine out, etc.
Big job. Doable? Yes. Worth it? Maybe...

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[mattg]

I just bought another car with it already.

I am even selling one in Brisbane in the classifieds

Matt

[Mercguy]

There's a full setup for sale on the landrover buy swap sell FB page at the moment. Had me curious - wondering if it could be retrofitted to an RRC - provided there are no massive physical differences in the chassis which would prevent it.

[Tins]

There's a full setup for sale on the landrover buy swap sell FB page at the moment. Had me curious - wondering if it could be retrofitted to an RRC - provided there are no massive physical differences in the chassis which would prevent it.

Now, that would be interesting. Personally, I would have thought the differences between D2 and D1/RRC would be too much. Maybe not.

[sierrafery]

IMO it's almost impossible to fit ACE to a RRC cos the ACE ECU needs vehicle speed inputs from the D2's SLABS ECU and the SLABS needs engine speed inputs from the D2's engine ECU so for a well working ACE you need all the D2 ECUs working normally on the RRC also the accelerometers must be at the same distance and positions like on the D2 or it will be imposibble to calibrate them, if anything of the mentioned conditions is not met it goes to default of 'locked bars' which means like it's not there... also might be hard to fit the pump too and the actuators which are designed for the D2's specific ACE anti roll bar.... better forget about that.