iPad

[Dmmos]

I did it - I woke up early to read live blogs :angel:

Initial thoughts?

I think it looks cool, but I'm not sure that I'll be holding my breath till it comes out, impossible to tell I guess without holding it, etc.

Apple - iPad - Features (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)

[flagg]

looks good.

The pedigree of Apple and tablets is second to none (newton) and this time apple isn't going to let it fail. Tablets have waxed and waned for 10 years now and no one has been able to make them successful (Apple included) because while they are no doubt cool, no one really knows what to do with them that you can't do with a notebook that costs half as much.

Even though I love them, I will not be getting one for two reasons:

1. Never buy revision one Apple anything.
2. It doesn't run Ozi ;)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

It's Apple cool as ever. It will be interesting to see how they price it here, given they are charging over 1k already for an iphone, and $1200 for a macbook.

Personally I don't have a use for it but I can see that many people would have one.

[Tombie]

I love my apple gear (currently have 3 ipods, 2 MBPs and 4 iphones :cool: ) but i cant see myself owning this at all...

[Quarks]

I wanted something like that 5 years ago. Since there were only rumours at the time, I ended up getting a hp tablet.

However, I have found it just about perfect for taking notes for school and uni - as a kind of crossover between a writing/ sketch pad and a laptop. Searchable handwriting is awesome! :D

Still definitely a niche market though - most people who asked me about my one are suprised at how old it is! That said, I'll wait a few more years before I spend up on another tablet. Then apple might be off revision 1. :p

:)

[solmanic]

On the keynote Steve Jobs referenced the Netbook. It is clearly lightyears ahead of any Windows based web-laptop product so if the price is even 30% higher they will grab pretty much that whole market. For my mind, if I was wanting to get my kid a laptop for school then this would be perhaps the first item on the shopping list (with a suitable case of course).

I suspect $499US for the base wi-fi only model will translate to about $649AUD here and $829US will be $1099AUD.

[Scallops]

I'll be getting one - I need a portable device. I'll be waiting for the next G version. Life is too short to use PC's. :tease:

[solmanic]

...1. Never buy revision one Apple anything.


Maybe. But this is not really a revision one product. Just about all the technology is borrowed from the iPhone & Macbook where it's pretty well bedded in. The only thing I can see them doing a controlled, marketing upgrade on is the internal storage. 64GB will soon become 128GB then they will shoehorn in a 250GB SSHD... and so on.

[weeds]

where is the link?????

Apple - iPad - Features - The best device for web, email & photos. (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/)

[Dmmos]

I'm definitely in two minds - pricing will be very important in Aus; I think they'll bring it in at $699.

It looks gorgeous (although, by the way, does anybody else think that the apps all look far too small and spaced out?)...

Interesting review here; Five things the iPad is missing | Crave - CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html)

I agree completely with the following (given it couldn't have been too difficult, and I would be lining up now if it had this feature);


No camera
One killer feature that would have made this a must-have for many people would have been a forward-facing Webcam for iChat-like video chatting. Sure, MacBooks and iMacs have them already, but that's more to the point. A mobile, anywhere-in-the-house device like this seems much more video chat-friendly than a laptop or desktop. It seems that Apple could have used this opportunity to really introduce the video phone appliance as a reality but for some reason it didn't.

Services like Skype are already in the App Store. Including a forward-facing camera would give users many choices as to which VVoIP (Video and Voice over IP) provider they'd use with their family and friends. As more people started using these services, it would attract more buyers of the hardware. If the son or daughter at college had video chat on his iPad then the mother or father back home would be apt to buy one for themselves.

And the design of the iPad, especially with the iPad Dock, makes it a much more attractive solution than a laptop or desktop for video chat. Video chat needs a killer appliance, the iPad could be it. The iPad needs a killer app, and video chat could be it.

[juddy]

We are getting a stack in to pre test, so if they are any good iam in for one, sure its a iphone on steroids, but for some it will be of use,good for taking on holiday..

[dmdigital]

The first that struck me was the lack of web-cam. I was also surprised at the 64GB storage and not 128GB, though that might be a cost and battery life thing.

I think it will evolve with a second generation in 12 months into something very good. Won't be rushing out to buy one.

Also I can see the iPod touch being dropped and there being the two iPad variations and the iPhone.

[juddy]

Theres a camera add on for this in the works. as to the 3g model. why bother, its got wireless, so you can use in just about most place, if you want mobile net then get a mac book pro.



QUOTE=Dmmos;1168373]I'm definitely in two minds - pricing will be very important in Aus; I think they'll bring it in at $699.

It looks gorgeous (although, by the way, does anybody else think that the apps all look far too small and spaced out?)...

Interesting review here; Five things the iPad is missing | Crave - CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html)

I agree completely with the following (given it couldn't have been too difficult, and I would be lining up now if it had this feature);[/QUOTE]

[Michael2]

As Jobs said, the iPad is your third computing device which sits between your smartphone and your notebook/netbook. A luxury coffee table computing device. A recreational computer. It's the equivalent of buying a convertible Porsche for joyriding on the weekends, when you already own a Vespa for commuting into the city and a Land Rover for taking the kids to soccer practice. The convertible Porsche doesn't do anything the others can't, but it looks good and it's fun to drive.

Apple's iPad - the Recreational Vehicle of computing? - Gadgets on the Go - Digital Life - Sydney Morning Herald Blogs (http://blogs.smh.com.au/digital-life/gadgetsonthego/2010/01/28/applesipadthe.html)

Hmmm, I've got a Defender and a Toughbook (that runs Ozi & roams the net), do I really need the Porsche?

[Dmmos]

Theres a camera add on for this in the works. as to the 3g model. why bother, its got wireless, so you can use in just about most place, if you want mobile net then get a mac book pro.



QUOTE=Dmmos;1168373]I'm definitely in two minds - pricing will be very important in Aus; I think they'll bring it in at $699.

It looks gorgeous (although, by the way, does anybody else think that the apps all look far too small and spaced out?)...

Interesting review here; Five things the iPad is missing | Crave - CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html)

I agree completely with the following (given it couldn't have been too difficult, and I would be lining up now if it had this feature);[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by camera add-on? I heard there was going to be something to allow you to directly hook up a camera, but only to upload images to the iPad (btw iTampon is trending on Twitter :angel:)...

If the iPad had an actual iChat native client - and I cannot understand why it does not - with a video camera on the front, I think it would have justified all the hype. it only has to be the one in the iPhone 3GS, which is better than the one in my 2008 iMac, which itself is great for video chat...

I'm a huge fan of Apple (including their highly controlled OS environments, which essentially safeguard themselves from anything nasty), and realised before the launch of the iPad that the hype was going way to far, as I'm sure most people did. But I have to say, the end result is just a little deflating - if you watch the video with the Senior VP of (design?), somebody Ive, it's embarrassing hearing him talk about how magical the device is. Apple has clearly put some great technology together in a great package, but it could have - and should have - been better. I'm not sure that I can justify Steve Jobs saying it's the most important thing he's ever done.

The product that comes to mind (in so many ways) is the Macbook Air - had a great niche, didn't sell too well, and didn't really fit in anywhere due to its significant limitations (at its price point).

What makes up for the iPad being a little disappointing is the price, which IMHO completely makes up for any other failings.

$499USD is so far below what people expected - as is the 3G version being unlocked from the factory (i.e. just throw your SIM in)...

By the way, did anybody notice the total absence of McGraw-Hill in the keynote? Steve Jobs must be fuming... http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/10/01/27/mcgraw.hill.absence.a.deliberate.snub/ - This leak, by the way, represented an epic lack of intelligence (and was no doubt reasonably illegal).

Ultimately, I'm having iPad mood swings (how appropriate :D); I can't decide if I love it, with that OMFG-it's-amazing-and-I'm-queuing-up-just-like-when-the-iPhone3G-came-out feeling, or whether it's a little bit 'blah'.

[Delta_Farce]

The bezel on the thing is HUGE! I reckon any buyers are paying about 15% of the cost to have a black border around the screen. Why go to all this trouble and hype and then release something that looks like a 5 year old LCD screen?

[dmdigital]

I suspect the bezel has been made that wide for a reason so you don't mar the
nice shiny display with as many grotty finger prints except where you touch it. It does seem rather a waste of space otherwise.


Oh, hang on! Its a touch screen...

No can't understand that design factor either.

[Dmmos]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the bezel required to be that size for strength?

Even though it seems a little large, I imagine if it were significantly smaller the 10inch display might struggle - especially if dropped?

The price is amazing, btw; interesting link here Apple Stock Drops Upon iPad Announcement But Goes Up On Price Announcement (http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/01/apple_stock_drops_upon_ipad_announcement_but_goves _up_on_price_announcement.html)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

We were discussing it at work. I reckon the prices aren't up yet because Apple Australia are sitting in their conference room scratching their heads.

In the US the iphone far cheaper and so it fits neatly between the iphone and the entry level macbook. Here the iphone is only a little cheaper than the entry level macbook.

I reckon that they will have to overlap the iphone. Maybe prices starting at 700 and ranging through to 1100 or so.

Even as an apple fanboy I can't think of a reason why I should get it though :(

[Dmmos]

Even as an apple fanboy I can't think of a reason why I should get it though :(

This seems to be one of the central obstacles in the iPad's way - during the keynote, the faithful were extremely subdued, and I suspect overall disappointed (although I think they only have themselves to blame).

That being said, I'm pinning my hopes on these sentiments; http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/exec-tech/i-was-an-sceptical-of-apples-ipad-until-i-used-it/story-e6frgazf-1225824241683


During Steve Jobs's presentation, I was slightly underwhelmed, thinking: "So this is just another slice of computing loveliness from Apple but I don't really think I want to buy one." Then I went to have a play in the hands-on area and now I may have changed my mind...

Here's what Stephen Fry, actor and gadget fan extraordinaire, to whom I spoke as he left the hands-on area, said: "It is a transformative device. You only really get it when you get your hands on it."

[dullbird]

I like it a lot.....I would have one:)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Dude, the ipad isn't a notebook - get over it! (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=5890&tag=col1;post-5890#more-5890)

I'm glad you like it DB. Depending on what you have and where you're at I reckon it will be a winner. Not for everyone, but great for some.

[dmdigital]

I think if I didn't have the iPod touch and 13" MBP, I'd consider one. There is already a camera reader/connecter slated for it so it will allow photo downloads, there would then be two issues: backing up download photos and whether the imaging software will handle RAW files for transfer. If it did that it would be an excellent option to a notebook for travelling.

[mike_ie]

I'm not quite sure what the hype is about - it seems to be basically a big iPod touch with a faster processor....

[Ranga]

Does anybody think no multi-tasking is a problem?

Perhaps it's an out-dated concept, but one thing that annoys me with the wifes iPhone are apps that don't store your progress in memory when you leave them to use another app.

I'm wary of the touch-screen keyboard also, but maybe it's ok.

I can only hope to god it's got an input-output option, such as memory card - again, one of the big PITA about the iPhone.

Regardless, I'm sure they'll sell a heap. If they only sold them to fanboys, they'll still sell plenty!

EDIT: Just spotted this http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/01/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad/, and again like the iPhone I can't understand some of Apple's decisions. The sorts of downfalls that make it something I'd keep if someone gave it to me rather than something I will buy ...

Also read that the back is slightly curved, making typing on a flat surface a PITA, as it wobbles around. Now why did they need to do that?

[disco2hse]

So, I heard that Paul McCartney is reforming his old band to market the iPad. Ipad with Wings.

And Hitler's pretty p****d.

YouTube- Hitler responds to the iPad

[flagg]

Even as an apple fanboy I can't think of a reason why I should get it though :(

Exactly.

and this is exactly what killed the newton. (ok, other than price!) but still, when you have the MBP13 and the iphone to choose from.. the limitations of this are extreme. Esp when you have the MBA as well..

the iPod dragged apple back into being a company with options beyond bankruptcy and the ipod sold becuase it solved a problem that heaps of people had: music players were portable, the music its self wasn't. I remember my GF at high school taking me aside and telling me it was embarrasing that I had army pants on full of Metal CDs :angel: :twisted: I mean gab 5-10 CDs and just look at how big they are!

The iPad doesn't solve any problems that are not already better addressed within apples product line.

My Asus T91 is great, but the onscreen KB is just a PITA. I love the fact that I can flip it around and suddenly I have an (albeit small) KB to use. I do that often. It also has SD slots, and many MANY more features that the iPad dosn't have.

I was really keen on this when it was announced, but now that I have looked through the specs more, it just has too many limitations, and too many compromises.

Really, I can't see it being anything more than the next MBA.. but, I hope I'm wrong.

[hoadie72]

Does anybody think no multi-tasking is a problem?

Perhaps it's an out-dated concept, but one thing that annoys me with the wifes iPhone are apps that don't store your progress in memory when you leave them to use another app.

I'm wary of the touch-screen keyboard also, but maybe it's ok.

I can only hope to god it's got an input-output option, such as memory card - again, one of the big PITA about the iPhone.

Regardless, I'm sure they'll sell a heap. If they only sold them to fanboys, they'll still sell plenty!

EDIT: Just spotted this 8 Things That Suck About The iPad | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/01/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad/), and again like the iPhone I can't understand some of Apple's decisions. The sorts of downfalls that make it something I'd keep if someone gave it to me rather than something I will buy ...

Also read that the back is slightly curved, making typing on a flat surface a PITA, as it wobbles around. Now why did they need to do that?

I agree about the multitasking. It's a PITA as there are so many poorly written apps that don't save their status when closed down. I reckon Apple should stipulate this as a design requirement for developers. SOME applications actually do it, and do it well.

The alternative is jailbreaking, but I'm reluctant to do this on a phone I don't own that's has customised profiles loaded by my employer lol

So there are 2 keyboard options - the Mac bluetooth one, and one that plugs into the 30pin connector on the bottom, which then effectively makes the keyboard a dock.

There's also a case for it which can double as a stand, proving Apple knew the curved base would be a problem lol

I find the device interesting from a design point of view, particularly the UI. And I see so many flaws too - the lack of camera and I believe microphone too are glaringly omissions, the screen ratio not being 16:9 is just strange for a multimedia tablet.

That said, I can see this being a hugely popular device. If I didn't already own a Netbook I would have considered buying one as it does all the things I want from a Netbook EXCEPT... no USB port means having to rip & convert DVDs and I'm yet to find a decent mapping program.

Developers and peripheral manufacturers will no doubt come up with all sorts of innovative apps and hardware, just as they have for the iPhone.

[inside]

Anyone notice the fine print on the AU apple site?

iBooks available in the U.S. only.

No books for you!

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Firstly - re the multitasking... that can be fixed with a software update, and it ins indeed rumoured to be in Iphone 4.0 which is also rumoured for March. It's possible that it will be available before it's even released.

As to the sales potential of it.. i've been thinking about it, and we've been kicking this around at work over the last couple of days. A lot depends on it's Australian release price (it's likely Apple Aus are sitting there trying to work that out)

I reckon that it will sell reasonably well, but it won't be a huge success like their other products. It will definitely cannibalise their other products to some extent.

Depending on price, I can see it being bought as a large ipod touch for browsing around home, and commuters buying it for their daily trip. There are no doubt lots of other groups but buggered if I can think of them!

[waynep]

Basically it seems a means to sell apps and publications.
No SD card slot so no possibility of loading anything that way.
So we'll be locked into buying from Apple's online store ?

I have a philosophical problem with that and my protest will be to not buy one. ( as I have not got Iphone or iPod )

For those who like Apple to have you by the goolies, go for it.

[camel_landy]

I think it's quite a sexy bit of kit... Though I'm not 100% sure how I'd use it.

One of the things not mentioned here is how it can also be used as one of those electronic picture frames. Also, if it had an IR port, it's be perfect as one of those multi-function remote controls.

I'll probably get one and keep it in the living room... When not being used, I'll probably use it as a picture frame (probably with a slide show on) but then have it so I can browse the WWW & watch TV/Films.

M

PS... I hear iPad v2.0 will have wings. ;-)

[spudboy]

Slightly NWS:

YouTube- Mad Tv - IPad

[Dmmos]

:Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:

LOL - I'd heard about that but hadn't seen it...

What does it say about Apple that this was made in 2005?

[Captain_Rightfoot]

"Can you pass me the iPad dear?"

"Damn, is it that time of the month again?"

:D

:wasntme:

[camel_landy]

They were planning on releasing one for the pre-teen market ... but decided the name "iTouch kids" wouldn't work... :angel:

[disco2hse]

They were planning on releasing one for the pre-teen market ... but decided the name "iTouch kids" wouldn't work... :angel:

:lol2::lol2:

[TimNZ]

I'm still unsure what I would use an Ipad for, I have an Iphone and the apps are useful, but mainly because they are on my phone.

Anyway, I see a handy comparison has been made:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/06/1594.jpg

Tim.

[Lightweight]

"Basically it seems a means to sell apps and publications."

Why is this a problem?? Apple is after all a software and design company, that just happens to put others' funky hardware into an even better package running the best consumer OS in the market!

If you use something that someone else has spent hard time producing, why not pay for it? I get annoyed more at people who think it is there "right" to copy, pirate and steal computer software. If you work in the IT industry you should be protecting your colleagues and your own career by actually paying for what you use.

Back on topic, i am more concerned with the lack of HDMI output, no were can i find that there is a proper GPS (Assited GPS can be good, but not the real deal) and no USB, both of these seem a little annoying rather than a show stopper.

[hoadie72]

At least the iPad has support for bluetooth keyboards. This means there's potential for game controllers.

I've heard the Wifi-only model doesn't have GPS, however the 3G version has GPS. Odd, unless it's a chipset thing where the GPS & 3G is all in the same silicon.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Why is this a problem?? Apple is after all a software and design company, that just happens to put others' funky hardware into an even better package running the best consumer OS in the market!


Can I just take issue with that? In my opinion they are a hardware design company. They also have the best OS on the market largely because it's very hard to do such a bad job as Microsoft. :D

[hoadie72]

If you're talking Mac, Apple performed almost 0% hardware design, it's mostly a tarted up PC.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

If you're talking Mac, Apple performed almost 0% hardware design, it's mostly a tarted up PC.

What?? Yes, they use off the shelf CPU's, GPU's, Hard disks, and custom spec screens (manufactured by LG). There are no doubt many other off the shelf components.

However there is lots of work in designing custom boards, cases and all the other bits that make it work and fit into their unique form factor cases. So far as I'm aware there aren't too many others making milled aluminium cases.

It's just unrealistic to expect them to make all of these components themselves, and if not call them a PC. That's just bizzare. Can I buy the motherboard and fit it into a pc case? What brand is it?? LOL.

You know that they designed and produced the first Personal Computer on the market? And that they were the first company to sell GUI computers to the public? They have always used other peoples processors, and apart from the Disk II disk drive and the 720k 3.5 inch floppy I'm not aware that they have done much with storage.

Did you know that most cars are manufactured using components from other suppliers. For example the Falcon uses Borg Warner differentials, Gertrag gearboxes, brakes and stability controls and a miriad of other electronics from Bosch, instruments from VDO (I think), lighting systems from Hella...

Can I still call ford a car designer?

[hoadie72]

What??

As I remember from when they moved from Power to Intel architecture, the basic system design was Intel based, with the key difference being the lack of BIOS. The principle architecture of the board is Intel's design. How they physically implement this is where they show their design flare.

Btw, without getting all Wikipedia, wasn't the first PC an Altair?

[HangOver]

Ipad almost as dumb as a, give me a second, ermm........
no wait, hang on .............. erm......


Against:
no multi tasking, so no music while you browse
no flash support
no camera
no video out, you do get audio out (tough to watch movies without that feature)
no USB
no Firewire
no Card reader
no IR
3G enabled but can you use it to make a call, ermmm no, but you can send an sms, sweet ;)
no AVI support
mpeg4 resolution supported, up to 640x480, (LOL)

FOR:
It looks like an iphone and they are popular so it must be good?
Bluetooth, just like ermmm oh yer my mobile phone
A whoping 64GB storage twice that of the iphone, and its only twice the size, cool or what
Operating temperature: 0° to 35°C so thats most of Australia out the window

My current mobile does more stuff than this ipad thing and cost about $200 less

[HangOver]

What??

As I remember from when they moved from Power to Intel architecture, the basic system design was Intel based, with the key difference being the lack of BIOS. The principle architecture of the board is Intel's design. How they physically implement this is where they show their design flare.

Btw, without getting all Wikipedia, wasn't the first PC an Altair?

geniac something or other and another one something to do with paperclips?

PC was a term coined by IBM to market range of small computers
Like hoover for vacum or gerny for a jet wash, (or however thats spelt)
aw bugger im going to have to go and look at wikipedia now aren't I

[camel_landy]

It's simple...

No one is making you buy an iPad. If you don't like it, don't buy it but it's no reason to slag it or the company off. (Frankly it's also showing your ignorance for not understanding the target market and the consumer end of the technology market.)

Personally, I've been thinking about getting an iPod Touch for browsing in the living room while the missus is doing her thing. The only thing which has stopped me from doing that is the tiny screen. The iPad solves that 'issue' so I'll probably get one when they come out over here.

M

[camel_landy]

...it's very hard to do such a bad job as Microsoft. :D

Actually, Microsoft do a very good job. Their problem is that they pander to the legacy OS requirements too much, 3rd party software & hardware vendors and try to be all things to all people.

People criticise Apple for being a closed shop, narrow minded, blah, blah... but keeping that tight reign means that they can get the quality in the code required for a stable platform.

Apple are targeting the consumer market. Sure, you can get other bits of kit, which can do more, costs less, multi-tasks, etc... but frankly most people don't care... They're scared off by the techno babble and geeky-ness of it all. They just want something which is easy to use and looks pretty.

The Apple adverts (http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/) sum it all up for me...

M

[disco2hse]

"Basically it seems a means to sell apps and publications."

Why is this a problem?? Apple is after all a software and design company, that just happens to put others' funky hardware into an even better package running the best consumer OS in the market!

Umm what???

Boy you are soo wrong I don't know where to start. So I won't.

Alan

[disco2hse]

If you're talking Mac, Apple performed almost 0% hardware design, it's mostly a tarted up PC.

Ahem, when the Mac came out the only PCs ran DOS and were monsters of things that required various external components such as monitors, but you might be too young to remember that.

Alan

[disco2hse]

What??

As I remember from when they moved from Power to Intel architecture, the basic system design was Intel based, with the key difference being the lack of BIOS. The principle architecture of the board is Intel's design. How they physically implement this is where they show their design flare.

Btw, without getting all Wikipedia, wasn't the first PC an Altair?

Confused I think. As already said, IBM built the first PCs but didn't see there was a market.

PPC and Intel chips are late in the Mac universe coming well after the Motorola chips had served their purpose very well, but like I said. You are probably too young to know these things from first hand experience.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Sigh ..

The Altair was indeed available as a computer before Apple released the Apple 1, but it didn't have a screen or keyboard and was programmable by switches. Also, it was a kit so you had to build it yourself. You wouldn't recognise it as a computer now.

Apple with the 1 (kit computer) in 76 and 2 in 77 were the first computers to have keyboards, colour graphics, open architecture etc and came to dominate the market at the time. (I know there were a couple of others like the TRS80 and Commodore PET). However Apple really took the market - largely by surprise. Their killer app visicalc threw them into the business market.

IBM created the term Personal Computer but they were a long way behind Apple (1981) and were largely a reaction of horror by IBM to Apple dominating the corporate micro market.

Apple then put the xerox PARC technologies they aquired into the micro world with the Lisa and Mac only a few years later, and this is what we are all duly wasting our time posting on this forum with - regardless of whether you are using a PC or a mac.

[disco2hse]

this is what we are all duly wasting our time posting on this forum with - regardless of whether you are using a PC or a mac.

Agreed. Or both, or as I am right now working with a G5 PPC, an MBP with Intel, and a Quadra 650 with a 68040. The PC is switched off at the moment.

But the real focus of this thread has nothing to do with any kind of Mac. It is Apple's move into the area of personal hygiene :D:p

[HangOver]

Frankly it's also showing your ignorance for not understanding the target market and the consumer end of the technology market.


Ouch, :D

I wouldn't say ignorance, I'd say reasonably well-ish informed.

If your happy to pay US$500 for something that browses the internet , (excluding flash sites) and plays movies and music, but not at the same time, then thats totally your choice.

I'm not saying don't buy one, i'm just pointing out the design aspects and IMO I think it's dumb; because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make them ignorant.
But it's your cash, your choice to buy or not to buy.
Good luck with your choice of hardware.

[hoadie72]

Confused I think. As already said, IBM built the first PCs but didn't see there was a market.

PPC and Intel chips are late in the Mac universe coming well after the Motorola chips had served their purpose very well, but like I said. You are probably too young to know these things from first hand experience.

You know the saying about it being wrong to assume don't you? ;)

[hoadie72]

Ouch, :D

I wouldn't say ignorance, I'd say reasonably well-ish informed.

If your happy to pay US$500 for something that browses the internet , (excluding flash sites) and plays movies and music, but not at the same time, then thats totally your choice.

I'm not saying don't buy one, i'm just pointing out the design aspects and IMO I think it's dumb; because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn't make them ignorant.
But it's your cash, your choice to buy or not to buy.
Good luck with your choice of hardware.

Just on that, it does play music in the background, including streaming Internet radio. You can display and use your GPS app l, indeed most apps, while on a call on a non-jailbroken iPhone. Likewise you can receive SMS or IM messages while performing other task, and while it's not multitasking in the windows sense of the word in practice it equates to the same thing.

[Armadillo]

Was initially wooed by the iPad but as details of it filtered out, I'm now less than impressed. Sure, it looks great and will have some excellent apps , it has some (to me) essental flaws. These being no multitasking and lack of USB. I think
Apple have hit on an excellent marketing tool - you pay (good money) for something so you keep paying to apple for to get apps. Very clever.
I going to wait for the Android answer to iPad. Rumour has it that MSI is releasing somthing later this year.;)