Marrelli LPG complete *under the bonnet* kit

[Junosi]

Well I've committed. I've bought a Marrelli 8Cyl LPG *kit* which apparently has everything required for *under the bonnet*.

It's come in at about $980aud and another $125aud for postage from the UK, the vendor initially didn't want to send overseas but as I'm organising my own courier he's gone with it. I've been communicating with the supplier in the UK (Steve) and he seems sure I'll be able to install it myself if I chose to. I'm still keen on pursuing the government grant so I'll try to get it professionally installed. After calling my local installer (also named Steve) he won't commit to whether he'll install it or not until he's eyeballed the entire kit - his first question was how to get the software to tune it, which the kit comes with thankfully.

Fingers crossed. Just have to sort out a tank and filler etc now (and a fitter ;)). Still deciding between a few options, 70L (90WL) donut is simplest (cheapest?) but manifold offers biggest capacity approx 110L (135WL). The conformable tank from PPI isn't going to work out for the cavity very well I think.

There's more info at HYTEK Product 1 (http://hytekautogas.co.uk/prod01.htm) and quite a bit more on their eBay store (link on their site)

[adm333]

I'll be interested to see how you go with that.

My system has a 100L cylinder tank, which takes up a significant portion of the load space, but has never really stopped me from doing anything.

I think 80% of capacity is the most you can use / fill a tank.

My advice would be this - think carefully before putting in a 70L tank as you will spend your life at the servo filling up the gas, or alternatively you will use a lot more petrol in between fills, which will kind of defeat the purpose.

Dave

[p38arover]

Dave's right re fill ups with a small tank. I have one. I changed from a large cylindrical tank owing to the space it took up.

My wife was in a wheelchair at the time and I couldn't get the chair in the back. Not enough room due to the sloping rear window.

[Junosi]

Agreed, my last vehicle was a 3.9 V8 Discovery with a venturi lpg system and a 70l underslung manifold tank. It was using about 25l/100km or 260-270kms per 70litre tank. Was a pain in the proverbial at times filling up so frequently, but liveable at that range, wouldn't want to go less though... and don't want an interior tank. Got used to refilling at that range anyways from motorcycling all my years :)

Should of said in my previous post - those figures are gas litres not water litres. 70l (gas) donut appears to be the biggest you can get in the tyre well without cutting the well right out and fitting a manifold type in there.

[willem]

Agreed, my last vehicle was a 3.9 V8 Discovery with a venturi lpg system and a 70l underslung manifold tank. It was using about 25l/100km or 260-270kms per 70litre tank. Was a pain in the proverbial at times filling up so frequently, but liveable at that range, wouldn't want to go less though... and don't want an interior tank. Got used to refilling at that range anyways from motorcycling all my years :)

Should of said in my previous post - those figures are gas litres not water litres. 70l (gas) donut appears to be the biggest you can get in the tyre well without cutting the well right out and fitting a manifold type in there.

72l donut tank in the spare wheel well gives a range of 300 - 35 kms in my 99 4.0

Willem

[bee utey]

Well I've committed. I've bought a Marrelli 8Cyl LPG *kit* which apparently has everything required for *under the bonnet*.

It's come in at about $980aud and another $125aud for postage from the UK,

Excellent value, I hope Customs don't sting you. Last V8 injection kit I bought in Adelaide cost me around $1800.
Fit the 72L donut because you can change your mind when you're rich again, and sell the donut to get some money back. The floor cut and twin stuff looks very pricey... and not reversible.

[Junosi]

I've bought an as new ex-demo 90litre donut tank for $560 - they're about $800 new. Comes with fitting and vent kits. Hunted high and low for second hand donut (all over the country) but sadly could only find small literage ones or the occasional largish one that was out of date.

As an aside I found this company in the UK that make a 'combo-tank' for the P38 - although they don't have P38 listed on their website or brochure yet. The P38 design incorporates a 36 litre petrol tank (steel) with a skid plate designed to house 2x 40litre LPG tanks. The whole unit replaces the standard (plastic) petrol tank and fits to the same mounts as the orginal tank. Downside is obviously reduced petrol capacity - but possibly made up for by how much LPG you could carry. I imagined myself with 80 (WC) litres by the petrol tank and another 90 (WC) litres in a donut in the back for a total of 170 (WC) litres and still having 35 litres of petrol on board with no lost luggage area. I had a similar setup in my Discovery with a reduced petrol tank, worked out very well for me and I could always carry jerry cans if I felt paranoid about lack of petrol.

Auto Tanks - Replacement petrol tanks for Autogas conversions (http://www.autotanks.com/)

Anyways, after a little investigation - they're £350 and around 27kg. Pretty expensive to get freighted over =/ They don't supply the LPG tanks with it. I wondered about getting a fabricator here to give it a go.

[bee utey]

Check APA and see what tank sizes your UK conversion might need: http://www.apamfg.com.au/Downloads/APA_Wall_Chart_07-09.pdf
Their range is quite good.
Building petrol tanks is not that hard, good clean 1.6mm steel, mig welder, and lots of time. I air-pressure test petrol tanks with a barbeque regulator and soapy water, usually takes 10 to 20 goes to kill all the pin holes but you get there in the end.

[Junosi]

Kit arrived today. Looks DIY'able enough to install the hardware, the software on the other hand.... soooooo many options and things to twiddle - its a bit daunting :eek: Some of the features sound good though (not sure if all SGI installs are like this) all the parameters you can set to tell it when to run on petrol or on lpg - based on revs, times, temperatuers - whatever parameters you like really, so if you're giving it the stick and you hit say 4500rpm it can switch to petrol on the fly and take you up to 5500 with no power drop off like lpg can have at high revs. I forget the rest, but it sure looks comprehensive

Talking to my local installer Thursday and hoping he'll come in with a reasonable figure to do the install - if so I'm still good to make use of the grant

ps No problems with customs, got picked up in UK on Thursday and was at my door Tues morning

[bee utey]

Kit arrived today. Looks DIY'able enough to install the hardware, the software on the other hand.... soooooo many options and things to twiddle - its a bit daunting :eek: Some of the features sound good though (not sure if all SGI installs are like this) all the parameters you can set to tell it when to run on petrol or on lpg - based on revs, times, temperatuers - whatever parameters you like really, so if you're giving it the stick and you hit say 4500rpm it can switch to petrol on the fly and take you up to 5500 with no power drop off like lpg can have at high revs. I forget the rest, but it sure looks comprehensive

Talking to my local installer Thursday and hoping he'll come in with a reasonable figure to do the install - if so I'm still good to make use of the grant

ps No problems with customs, got picked up in UK on Thursday and was at my door Tues morning

Get it on and pm me so I can run you through some of the easier options on the menu:)

such as: min temp to change over: 35C . Select: petrol addition on load, when over 11ms petrol time, add 2ms petrol when on gas. Works a treat!

[Junosi]

Thought I'd give an update on this as I've had a couple of PM's about it. I met with my local installer last week and he quoted me $900 to install (including filler and pipework which I hadn't purchased) I have to use an accreditted insaller if I want the govt $1750 grant otherwise I'd be doing it myself. He's going to need the car for about 2 days. I'm getting the gas filler put in the right next to the petrol filler - behind the flap. The installer seemed pretty impressed with the kit overall and the vendor has provided a lot of tips on quirks associated with a P38 install.

So after the govt rebate I should be out of pocket about $800. A far cry from the $5500-$8000 quotes I got around Melbourne for a SGI install.

[DT-P38]

Wish I had of known all that a few years ago when I got stitched up on my mixer install!!! :twisted:

I reckon this sort of info should be on a "setting up your P38" page. Don't know if something like that exists, but worth a thought for those in the know around here I guess.

If you haven't locked in with your installer yet, give the boys at Progas (03 9369 3789) a call on the price. They have been pretty competitive for my family over the last couple of years. Not sure if they can do any better though... just like to refer those that have looked after me! ;)

[bee utey]

Thought I'd give an update on this as I've had a couple of PM's about it. I met with my local installer last week and he quoted me $900 to install (including filler and pipework which I hadn't purchased) I have to use an accreditted insaller if I want the govt $1750 grant otherwise I'd be doing it myself. He's going to need the car for about 2 days. I'm getting the gas filler put in the right next to the petrol filler - behind the flap. The installer seemed pretty impressed with the kit overall and the vendor has provided a lot of tips on quirks associated with a P38 install.

So after the govt rebate I should be out of pocket about $800. A far cry from the $5500-$8000 quotes I got around Melbourne for a SGI install.

That's an excellent price, hope it all goes well:):):)

[BusinessConnected]

Very Interested about this, Can't wait for you to get the kit installed and be my "Guinea Pig". I've emailed the Marrelli guys from Ebay and I'm waiting for my own kit to arrive as well.

[BusinessConnected]

Any Updates?

[Junosi]

Booked in for next Monday 15th. All things going to plan I should have it back Tuesday. Hopefully he remembers my 'under the flap' filler

[BusinessConnected]

Excellent... Picked up my P38 today.. so as soon as you give the "A-Ok" I'm ordering from Marelli... Tell the Melton Installer he can book me in too... maybe you could get an extra discount :)

[BusinessConnected]

Any Updates from Day 1 of attempted installation... traps for young players?

[Junosi]

Haven't heard anything from him as yet, I'll pop down and see him in a couple of hours and see how he's going. He didn't turn up until midday yesterday so he got started a bit late - which was annoying as I had a few things to go over with him and talking over the phone just isn't the same when you're trying to describe things =/

I wired up my own interior switch/gauge and also ran the switched +12v line through the firewall, that way the switch/gauge gets to be exactly where I want it and there's hopefully no chance of him putting extra holes in my firewall (I like it the way it is).

Requested my donut tank be located as close to the drivers side as possible (in the well) to allow as much room at the left side as I can get - hopefully enough to install deep cycle battery in there or at least just useful space.

It'll be interesting to see where he's put the vaporiser and ecu - the vendor suggested vaporiser next to brake booster and ecu next to battery so hopefully that's where the installer has done it.

I hate other people working on my car, its hard not to go down and 'oversee'

[BusinessConnected]

Junosi:
Send me a PM/Email when it's all done.. would love to come down and have a look. Mine's just getting all the required bits and pieces done for Roadworthy and my tastes (New RoofLining ete).

Just waiting for my "British-Parts" order to come with all the bits and pieces I requested :)

[Junosi]

Who's doing your roof lining and how much $ ? I used a staple gun on my discovery to keep that damned thing up :twisted:

LPG install is sort of complete today - all the hardware is in place anyways and looks pretty good. The car *can* run on lpg and is very quiet compared to other SGI systems I've heard and the installer said he's never heard a kit that quiet either - normal SGI injectors sound a little like a diesel engine clicking away but marelli ones are silent... Installer also seemed to like the software but couldn't use it just yet ...

Unfortunately the diagnostic/programming cable is faulty (dry broken solder joints on the board) and repairing a printed circuit board is a PITA so I'll get a new cable - either from the vendor or I'll fork out the £40 for a new eBay one. Unless I can find out what the DB9 pinouts are meant to be and I'll make my own

Anyways, long story short is that its in and running - but not tuned and running quite lean so I won't be using it on lpg just yet. Don't have the car back yet or I'd post some photos

[BusinessConnected]

Junosi:
If you want to save some $$$ and your confident its running on LPG I'll do my order for my Kit now.... and ask the guy to put another cable for you in my kit. We can then meet up and go from there....

Sound Good?

Can you PM/Email me the details of the Courier you used,

[Junosi]

If you want to save some $$$ and your confident its running on LPG I'll do my order for my Kit now.... and ask the guy to put another cable for you in my kit. We can then meet up and go from there....

Thanks for the offer but I'm getting impatient now and want that cable pronto one way or another, should be trivial and quick for him to pop a new one in a bag to me. Sent you an email also

I've always found Courier Quote - Shipment Details (http://www.interparcel.com/quote) to be the best UK freighter.

If Steve from Hytek doesn't want to send overseas then you could contact
EUROPEGAS-[Sequential injection gas systems, LPG, CNG, Samochodowe instalacje gazowe, auto gaz, autogaz, auto-gaz, autogas, auta na plyn, reducers, vaporisers, injectors] (http://www.europegas.pl/?lang=en&content=company) which is the actual manufacturer of the kits and they may have distributors

[Junosi]

Job is pretty much finished now except a bit of fine tuning in the software. Both Steve the vendor and Steve the installer were very helpful (I won't mention the other Steve, assistant installer to Steve or it'd just get confusing :D)

Its cost about $2750 in total and after government $1750 rebate that means it has cost me about $1000 for what appears to be a very good kit and installation option. The Marelli kit can go on cars up to 350bhp and the gas injectors are super quiet. Photo's follow

Engine bay showing reducer/vaporiser connecting to a filter that splits off into two 4 cylinder distributors that then go to the 8 small injectors. The SGI computer is located in the gap between the battery and the headlight, its quite small.
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The *magic3* style reducer/vaporiser - nice looking and small footprint. It's attached to a handy bit of chassis that sticks up near the brake master
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Filler located next to petrol filler
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I asked for the tank to be located as close to the side as possible, thinking I'd have room for a deep cycle battery in the remaining space. As it turns out with a bit of *persuasion* I managed to get the original polystyrene tools holder back in there with all its bits in place. Initially the wheel well lid wasn't closing quite right as it was colliding with the tank. After a bit of trimming of that sticky outey plastic bit (the technical term) it now sits flush
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Flush sitting wheel well lid.
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Edit: thought I should mention spare tyre thoughts. For long trips I'll be taking a tyre with me, probably on the roof. For everything else I swear by the ARB Speedy Seal repair kit - its compact and only takes a couple of minutes to repair all but the worst punctures - cheap insurance at $60/kit. I've got the ever present can of 'tyre weld' type stuff too which I regard as very temporary for small punctures.

[bee utey]

Looks good!
Here is my bracket mount for safely carrying the tyre inside...bracket is attatched to the right wall of the tyre well, allows the tyre to be attatched via a 12mm H/T bolt thru the hatch. It is a legal requirement to have an alternate tyre mount AFAIK. Cheers

[alanbettison]

How is the system working?

and what kind of fuel economy are you getting

thanks

[Junosi]

It appears to be working very well. I've got it set to start on petrol and swaps itself to gas after 30secs. I only got the software cable on Monday this week and got did its initial calibration same day - which means collecting petrol and lpg mapping data at idle. I still need to do more data collection under all engine conditions (ie hills or foot to the floor), means I've got to plug the computer in and go for a drive with varied loads - which I'm going to do on Friday. After I've got the data I'll be altering some of the injection durations to provide more power at high revs/load as its a little down in power in those areas compared to petrol right at the moment but I expect it to pick up once the mapping is done.

If the trip computer is to be believed then economy is currently almost identical to petrol (averaging about 16l/100km). I'm still running on the first full tank of gas so can't tell just yet whether the trip computer is accurate. Odo vs refuel will tell the story.

[bee utey]

If the trip computer is to be believed then economy is currently almost identical to petrol (averaging about 16l/100km). I'm still running on the first full tank of gas so can't tell just yet whether the trip computer is accurate. Odo vs refuel will tell the story.

Your trip computer calculates economy based on petrol injector times so won't change its reading significantly on gas.

You need to let someone else drive while you play with the software! Or find a dyno. Mind you, loading up in drive when stationary will get you close.

If you can't get full power find the "petrol addition under load" function in the software. Worked great on the Prado I just did. I add 2ms of petrol when the injector on time exceeds 12ms.

[BusinessConnected]

Any further updates oon your experiences?

[Junosi]

Any further updates oon your experiences?

Had two fairly serious gas leaks develop, gas smell and audible hissing, from the two 1-into-4 gas filter splitter/distributor units. Photo below. They're both clearly designed to have something else plugged into them (temp sensor maybe) and without it leaves a hole that was plugged with a plastic cap and covered in 'goo' (black stuff in photo) as delivered to me. Anyways it was a bodge job and leaked gas like a seive. I removed the goo and plastic plug/cap and filled the whole cavity with two part epoxy resin which I'm fairly sure is a permanent fix for the leak. The part manufacturer for the filters is Certools (a polish company) that also sell a part (F-780) that looks much more appropriate for the task at 10euro each, which I may end up buying.

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Aside from that its smooth sailing. I've gathered all the calibration data and done the tuning myself - the fitter I used seemed to be struggling with it. Diagram below shows my tuning data (ignore the 'not responding and rich lambdas - was unplugged from the ecu when I took the screenshot). The longest gas injection time is still only 9ms at max load and seems to have identical power to petrol now - revs freely up to 5500rpm on gas under load. Unfortunately I don't think the software has a "petrol addition under load" option anywhere that I can find, don't think I need it but I would of liked to have tried the option :)

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I'm still running on the first real tank of gas, discounted the tank where I had the gas leaks and where I was gathering tuning data. Currently I've done 330kms and still going on my first 70litre tank - hoping to hit 350 km which will put the car on 20l/100kms when on gas, which I'll be quite happy with. My 3.9 discovery was firmly on 25l/100kms as comparison.

[BusinessConnected]

I've ordered my kit... I'll be hitting you up for contacts when it all arrives Clark... :)

[daljames]

How is the kit going and who would you recommend speaking to in trying to get one sent out from the UK?

[Junosi]

Mine's going flawlessly now after a couple of teething problems. Fuel consumption is pretty solid on 340-370kms per 75litres LPG. Power is more or less the same LPG/Petrol. Installation is pretty normal with the one extra task of swapping the polarity of the wires on all the injectors (which I'm sure Steve will mention) - unless the newer kits use different injectors ?

My contact was Steve Strongitharm at Hytek autogas (www.hytekautogas.co.uk (http://www.hytekautogas.co.uk))

I bought my kit from eBay UK (HYTEK AUTOGAS items - Get great deals on LPG Kits, LPG Conversions items on eBay.co.uk Shops! (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/HYTEK-AUTOGAS)) - although the vendor initially didn't want to ship overseas after some discussion he agreed and I organised my own freight through Courier Quote - Shipment Details (http://www.interparcel.com/quote/) I've also found https://www.transglobal.org.uk/get_quote.asp to be good for UK freight in the past.

[bee utey]

Update, I see now they will happily post to Australia for $166:

MARRELLI 8 CYL LPG INJECTION LPG KIT - Fit it yourself (eBay item 190492735397 end time 19-Feb-11 08:25:16 AEDST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190492735397&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

[Cannon]

I'm just wondering how you go getting filters for the system.

I'm assuming there would be filters involved somewhere....

Is it any easy job to service this system?

I think this would be a good option for me but it's no good if you can't get parts if/when you need them:)

[bee utey]

I'm just wondering how you go getting filters for the system.

I'm assuming there would be filters involved somewhere....

Is it any easy job to service this system?

I think this would be a good option for me but it's no good if you can't get parts if/when you need them:)

Ask 'em. I pay $22 each for 10mm filters to suit the kits I buy here. They last 40,000km at least. I'm sure that as soon as you know what size the hoses are then you can find a supplier here. Or get spares etc sent from the UK, it only takes a week or less to get here by post. There are injection filters galore on ebay. Just search.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

seems like the right time to ask---:p

how important are the gas system services, and can you tell when a system needs servicing? and whats involved?
laptops? gas anylisers(RON!)? Injection testing?

so many questions,:p

[bee utey]

seems like the right time to ask---:p

how important are the gas system services, and can you tell when a system needs servicing? and whats involved?
laptops? gas anylisers(RON!)? Injection testing?

so many questions,:p

Most authorities recommend (at least) annual servicing of LPG systems. Your local gas fitter would know what rules apply in your state.

How do you tell? A calendar? Perhaps you keep a log book and see a reduction in economy? Perhaps it runs roughly? It's a bit like oil changes, some people drive until the car "feels like" it needs servicing, which is usually far too late. Work out a schedule with your local expert.

[Richard93Vogue]

Just purchased my Marrelli LPG kit from Hytek on ebay. Much deliberation and not a little procrastination went into this purchase......and the feedback from this thread was what convinced me to go this way!
Now the wait begins for it to turn up.

I still have to source a manifold tank yet. There are none on ebay anywhere near me at the moment-Hunter Valley-and as no couriers will touch LPG tanks I'm a bit stuck.

Richard.

93 VogueSE

[Cannon]

Great minds I guess;)

Just ordered mine as well :D

[Richard93Vogue]

Looks like were in it together then!

[Junosi]

I'm just wondering how you go getting filters for the system.

Better late than never ! Just noticed this thread was still alive. I've replaced all three of my original filters now with different spec ones from the same manufacturer - Certools (Certools Home page (http://www.certools.pl/) click english at the top). Polish company that has an online webstore - or you can buy from eBay UK or eBay Germany. They seem cheap and readily available. The most recent ones I bought were the F-780's at €6 each

[Richard93Vogue]

Can I ask what prompted you to change to a different spec filter?

Thanks,
Richard.

[Junosi]

The original ones that came with the kit leaked quite badly. See my other post for more details http://www.aulro.com/afvb/lpg/98125-marrelli-lpg-complete-under-bonnet-kit-3.html#post1224857

The new ones look much more appropriate for the job

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[Cannon]

my kit arrived today:)

now to get it installed before easter;)

Junosi, i don't have any thing in the kit that looks like the dodgy 'goo' part. maybe it's been changed since you got yours.

[Richard93Vogue]

Yep, mine turned up too! Looks good, still havn't found a cheap vertical donut tank yet....looking like I'm probably going to have to spring for an expensive new one....

[Hotdog]

Ordered my kit today :) , how long have they been taking to deliver ?

[Richard93Vogue]

Give it at least 4 weeks to land on your door step!

I mounted the computer into my classic on saturday, up under the cover beneath the steering wheel and fed the loom into the engine bay via a 32mm hole saw hole in what would have been the space for the clutch.

[GEK064]

Hi all, what is the difference between the Marrelli system and this one from Australia? 6-8 cyl. LPG Sequential Injection Underbonnet Kit (eBay item 180659022993 end time 03-May-11 21:25:39 AEST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180659022993&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_578wt_922)

Dead keen to make the system to injectors.

[bee utey]

Hi all, what is the difference between the Marrelli system and this one from Australia? 6-8 cyl. LPG Sequential Injection Underbonnet Kit (eBay item 180659022993 end time 03-May-11 21:25:39 AEST) : Cars, Bikes, Boats (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180659022993&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_578wt_922)

Dead keen to make the system to injectors.


Hey, I just bought one of those to fit to a BA Falcon. Will report back when it arrives and when it's fitted.:)

[GEK064]

Cool - thanks.

[bee utey]

Cool - thanks.

Got the kit today, doesn't look bad, just trying to read the instructions for tuning.:(. Fitting looks quite easy! :). Hopefully it will all make sense when I fit it up next Monday.

[bee utey]

Day 1, the BA Falcon fitment. My comments to the seller:


I have installed the underbonnet kit today and offer the following observations:

1. As noted before there was no 6mm injection hose, nor was there any 5mm for map sensor connecting. There was 25cm insufficient 12mm hose, luckily I had enough spare from other kits.

2. On connecting the injector cut wiring I had a misfire on 1 cylinder. Either the gas ECU or the harness is faulty. Eventually I worked out the Bank B cyl #5 wiring was at fault (engine #4 cylinder). I swapped over input and output connections to Bank B cyl #8 wires and it seems to work. Luckily I only need 6 cylinders and it runs happily on a random wiring set-up!

3. I tried for 2 hours every possible method to connect my laptop to the gas ECU, I could not get it to connect on any com port. Luckily I have my old laptop with only 3 com ports, one of which is USB1. On the third attempt it worked.

4. On running the gas I noticed the gas pressure display reads a constant 0.86 bar. This does not change for anything. The hose has gas pressure to the map sensor pressure input. The effect is to prevent the gas change-over happening automatically when the gas runs out. I think the MAP sensor may be faulty. Can you supply a replacement?

Tomorrow I will connect the gas cylinder and test drive it. If any other faults occur I will let you know.

Regards

I don't think this kit is very high quality, although the reply I get from the seller will possibly change my mind. The tuning is primitive compared with the Zavoli/Alisei kit I use, granted that is 2011 updated stuff not 2008 like this stuff. Test drive hopefully goes well?

[Hotdog]

Got My kit from UK today:D:D:D. 4 weeks delivery was as expected. Injectors and converter are so small compared to other systems and this will make fitment in a crowded engine bay (P38) easier. Quality looks great. Will know more when it all gets fitted in a few weeks. So far so good. Anybody got a large tordial LPG tank (~80 L)that fits in a P38 spare wheel well for sale ?

[bee utey]

Day 1, the BA Falcon fitment. My comments to the seller:



I don't think this kit is very high quality, although the reply I get from the seller will possibly change my mind. The tuning is primitive compared with the Zavoli/Alisei kit I use, granted that is 2011 updated stuff not 2008 like this stuff. Test drive hopefully goes well?

Day 2, the reply from the seller:

Hidden in the instructions is how to rewire the map sensor so it works.;)

The missing cylinder is claimed to be an anomaly, he's never seen it. My fault? Dunno. He says he has fitted 1000+ of these kits. I'm not fretting it as I only need 6 cylinders today.

No reply on the missing hose, so if you buy one of these kits be prepared to purchase extra hose.

The test drive went OK, a small power loss but eminently driveable. There is no provision for petrol addition under load but the BA didn't seem to need it.

My rating? probably 7 out of 10, but, hey, it's a cheap way of getting injection on a LR V8. Oh, and the injectors are very quiet.:)

[GEK064]

Bee utey, this Aussie system is worth $750, the Marrelli system is worth $1000 and the zenit system is worth $1500. (all prices are buy it on eBay)....is it a case of you get what you pay for or is it good value compared to the uk stuff?

[bee utey]

Bee utey, this Aussie system is worth $750, the Marrelli system is worth $1000 and the zenit system is worth $1500. (all prices are buy it on eBay)....is it a case of you get what you pay for or is it good value compared to the uk stuff?

The higher price kits will come with more brain power, and possibly better quality components. (Oh, and enough hose perhaps.) The $750 Steffanelli kit has enough functionality to work on vehicles without full OBD2. Your P38/D1/D2 engine won't chuck up an engine check light if the mixtures wander more than 10%. They don't really care. So an occasional plug-and tune will be good enough for these. Also you don't get staggered changeover, just BUMP and its over on all cylinders. You definitely feel it.

I would definitely NOT fit one of these to a 2005+ vehicle. I had loads of problems with earlier versions of the Zavoli kits before they went to OBD2 interfaces. The trouble you see is that the local mixture of propane/butane is variable enough to throw out carefully constructed fuel maps. And a brightly lit engine check light freaks out customers.

My conclusion: This kit is excellent value provided nothing goes wrong and you need spares. I have no idea how reliable they are, I'm sure the seller will tell you they are great. I'll get back to you if the BA stops.

Manufacturer's website for further reading:

Stefanelli Group srl - auto gas equipment (http://www.stefanelligroup.com/inglese/home.html)

[daberu]

Could someone tell me the benefits of and the difference between liquid and gas injection systems? Particularly as applicable to fitting on a Disco 1 3.9i. OBD2and lambda are a mystery too? I am more inclined now to the Marelli system and have found a fitter in cambellfield who will do the job for $1000- ie fit frontend kit, filler, gas line and initial tune. While not that happy, obviously money will change hands and that is the bottom line. But with a full local install quote of $4000 or so, compared to around $1400 for the kit, tank + his $1000 labour, I feel I am somwhat better off financially. I just put a new camshaft, followers, head job in the car, so I have a pretty good mechanical knowledge. A manifold tank on the rear floor seems the easiest tank solution. Is that suitable for which type of injection system? And the fitter said I only need the old non-injection system for my old Disco. But I read on the Forum of misfiring, etc. Any thoughts? It is great to read the Forum and I appreciate all the comments made so far.

[bee utey]

Could someone tell me the benefits of and the difference between liquid and gas injection systems? Particularly as applicable to fitting on a Disco 1 3.9i. OBD2and lambda are a mystery too? I am more inclined now to the Marelli system and have found a fitter in cambellfield who will do the job for $1000- ie fit frontend kit, filler, gas line and initial tune. While not that happy, obviously money will change hands and that is the bottom line. But with a full local install quote of $4000 or so, compared to around $1400 for the kit, tank + his $1000 labour, I feel I am somwhat better off financially. I just put a new camshaft, followers, head job in the car, so I have a pretty good mechanical knowledge. A manifold tank on the rear floor seems the easiest tank solution. Is that suitable for which type of injection system? And the fitter said I only need the old non-injection system for my old Disco. But I read on the Forum of misfiring, etc. Any thoughts? It is great to read the Forum and I appreciate all the comments made so far.

Look just forget liquid gas injection. It's too complicated and needs a totally new gas tank. A D1 is stoneage (early silicon age?) technology, a well set up mixer system is hard to beat. The Australian D1 hasn't got any self-tuning ability (from oxygen sensors and on board diagnostics,) so ANY gas system will run out of tune. Simple gas mixer systems can easily be retrofitted with an Oxy sensor for self-tuning, vapour gas injection is much harder but still possible.

[GEK064]

Well even after a new motor, new plugs (set at 0.7mm) and new MAF sensor, she blew the newly repaired plastic box yesterday. The box is dead [rip] and just in time as 'myboats' has donated his steel round box which arrived today - thanks Bruce...but I digress......I'm going to get a Marrelli kit and the question I have to those that have already imported the item - was duty payable? If so how much?

[Hotdog]

Hi GEK064. Just got my Marrelli kit last week and the good news is NO duty was payable. Just appeared on my door step one day :).

[GEK064]

Thanks and good luck with your installation!

[landrovermick]

Hello mate im in Narellan ad keen on the Marelli unit also. Do you know any gas fitters locally that are capable ( and do a good job) id like to get moving on the conversion sooner rather than later as ive just got my V8i after writing off the tdi.

also does anyone on here have any experience with "under slung tanks there is heaps of room under a disco between the sill and the rails.

[bee utey]

also does anyone on here have any experience with "under slung tanks there is heaps of room under a disco between the sill and the rails.

There isn't "heaps of room" , there's just enough room for a 20 litre (usable) tank on each side. They hang 50mm under the chassis at that. Commonly one of these tanks is used for diesel enhancement but they can be used on dual fuel V8's, no probs. 40L of gas will get a disco between 160 and 220km before running out.

[landrovermick]

thanks thats not much range - about 2 days to and from work. what would you suggest i m not keen on indoor tanks - i might be better using that space for petrol. i think i have seen them with under slung rear tank. any idea what size they throw under there?

[bee utey]

thanks thats not much range - about 2 days to and from work. what would you suggest i m not keen on indoor tanks - i might be better using that space for petrol. i think i have seen them with under slung rear tank. any idea what size they throw under there?

Definitely better off using 2x gas tanks in the petrol tank spot. Hunt around for a s/h set. They have been around for 20 years or more. There should be some in wreckers.

A rear corner tank from Brown Davis will give you around 50 litres of petrol. Add a sill tank with a transfer tank and you only need to fill that for a trip.

[GEK064]

Hey Landrovermick, the best guys I've found in our part of the world is landy spares in Silverdale. George, Brian and Mat run the place and are brilliant. They know their LR and are nice people. They have just done my motor and will be doing the gas on my 99D2. Let me know how you get on. Cheers

[GEK064]

In addition my D2 has has a twin LPG tanks installed with a 45lt petrol - incase you wanted to see what it looks like.

[landrovermick]

In addition my D2 has has a twin LPG tanks installed with a 45lt petrol - incase you wanted to see what it looks like.

That would be good i spoke to mate of mine today, who has a donut we can fit under there. waiting for him to get back to me - cos he can install it too. will keep advised. im still keen to check yours out.will pm ya my number

mick

[bee utey]

That would be good i spoke to mate of mine today, who has a donut we can fit under there. waiting for him to get back to me - cos he can install it too. will keep advised. im still keen to check yours out.will pm ya my number

mick

Most donut tanks around are 650mm diameter. The space between the rails is 630mm. As I have mentioned elsewhere before, you will need a BIG hammer to make it fit. And they are generally only 44-56 litres LPG capacity. Small donuts (that fit) are 30 odd litres. You are far better off with the twin tanks, you get 68-70 litres of gas.

[northiam]

I,ve found this kit is it any better? OMVL

LPG Autogas 8 cylinder High Power LPG conversion Kit | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LPG-Autogas-8-cylinder-High-Power-LPG-conversion-Kit-/190528095856?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehic le_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item2c5c5c0670)

[landrovermick]

Not sure - im having difficulties finding someone in sydney who is willing to install my kit - they all want to install their kit and charge me $5000. waiting / hoping on a bloke i know down wodonga who may be able to do it. i really want to get this sorted in the next few weeks on a budget and timeframe - wish me luck!

[Cannon]

just dropped my car off to the gas guy.

pick it up friday arvo so i'll try to get some pics up over the weekend.

[landrovermick]

That would be great - im very keen to see the setup in place

[Cannon]

just dropped my car off to the gas guy.

pick it up friday arvo so i'll try to get some pics up over the weekend.
aaaarrrggghhhhhhh not ready:(

i kinda knew it wouldn't be because.......well it's me :)

hopefully monday

[Cannon]

It's in and mostly working. Got a dodgy injector but a replacement is on the way.

Fortuneately you can disable gas on individual injectors & that one will run on petrol.

My PC blew a power supply last week so I'll try & get some pics & do a proper write up in the next day or 2.

[Richard93Vogue]

What were your symptoms of the dodgey injector? Mine is still in the throws of being installed too and I suspect I may have a dodgey injector as I am able to blow through one of them with the power off. So it may over fuel on that one? Won't know for sure till it's working though.

[Chilly]

Richard93Vogue...where are you getting yours fitted?cost?
Looking to buy one for my disco.

[Cannon]

What were your symptoms of the dodgey injector? Mine is still in the throws of being installed too and I suspect I may have a dodgey injector as I am able to blow through one of them with the power off. So it may over fuel on that one? Won't know for sure till it's working though.

Really rough running. Injector's 1-4 timings were way above 5-8 by the readings in the software. By disabling the injectors in the software one at a time i sololated it to injector 2. Other than that it's going great. put in 52l for 300kms this morning & I still haven't tuned it correctly:)

[superquag]

I'm impressed... 17.33 litres per hundred km, - or 16.2 mpg in Old Money thats better than I'm getting on petrol. :o

Piccies ??? - :rulez:

James in Gosnells

[Cannon]

As promised, some pics (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/84956-cannons-battletruck-4.html#post1497698) :)

[Richard93Vogue]

Finally got mine in and complianced, only done about 10km in it so far and it runs like a 3 legged dog...But the software has helped me figure out one problem that I've suspected for a while-my thermostat appears to be stuck open. The water temperature in the converter struggled to reach and maintain 50degrees C even around town. I've got a new 88degree one to go in, just got to find time.
So it's hard to let it do the auto calibrate and then take it for a run when it won't stay warm. This is probably why it was/is so thirsty on petrol, am getting down as bad as 220km for a tank!

Doing house reno's this weekend so it might have to wait a while longer yet....