Best mud tyres for Defender

[Gav110]

OK this one ought to get some comments flying. I need a set of proper traction tyres - sufficient to cope with mud, clay, wet grass etc. Sand is less of a concern - happy to air down.

Most MTs cope well with mud, but anyone who has tackled sticky clay knows that even 'serious' tyres like Cooper STTs (which I have now - 265/75) will fill the voids up and hold it unless spun hard - which is downright dangerous on steep slopes.

In a recent 4WD Action review, the overall winner was the BFG Mud Terrain KM2, however the judges were surprised how well the Mickey Thompson Baja Claw faired on road - and it scored very highly overall.

The Silverstone M117 also scored extremely well offroad, but was penalised on road - but I know it is highly regarded in the group.

Given Defender drivers are (generally) realistic about the nature of their vehicles and set them up for more offroad bias :twisted: (why else would you really buy one?) I am not considering 'softer' options.

I am leaning towards the Baja Claw, or possibly the NEW BFG MT KM2, but would possibly consider something more extreme if the onroad aspects are at least safe.

Keen to hear experiences and views of these 3, and any others. I should add that I need at least some road safety as this is a kiddie transporter and tourer when not hitting trails.

I am also interested in any views on the best after market alloy wheel (prefer over the look of steel) which can increase track without needing a new set of guard extensions, while fitting up ideally 285/75 or 265/75.

Have seen offerings from Zu/Landrover Tuning which look impressive but pricey (Landrover Tuning :: Defender Alloy Rim 7"x16" offset 25mm, Light Strong - Exterior Defender - << Defender >> - Default Store View (http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/default/defender/exterior/defender-alloy-rim-7-x16-offset-25mm-light-strong.html)) - will they fit these tyres on a standard Puma without rubbing?

Also impressive looking is the Outlaw from LRA: Alloy Rims (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d708_01.html)

I want the max. track I can get, without modifying the guards, to run ideally 285/75 or fallback 265/75

Again, any views appreciated.

[long stroke]

For mud and clay simex and silverstone extremes seem to be right up there:cool:
The 3 tyres i'd be looking at are the simex Jungle trekkers, the simex extreme trekkers and silverstone extreme's.

Not sure how they handle on road, but i know they are good in the mud:cool:

Here are some pics...

On the left is the jungle trekker and on the right the extreme trekker.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/1158.jpg

And the silverstone..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/1159.jpg

P.s i'm not sure if any of these tyres will come in the size you require though:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[Fraz]

Ill be watching this thread closely, I am about to purchase 5 of the KM2s and a big consideration was the 4WD Action review already mentioned. For 255/85s theyre not cheap - best I can find is $340 ea :eek:

Interested to see different opinions

[dobbo]

Simex's will clog up but they take a lot to do it.

It's pretty cool watching 1kg chunks of mud fly past the windows whilst doing a muddy hill climb.

You will break standard axles on Simex's.

[Psimpson7]

With some road use needed, I'd buy the KM2's. Not a fan personally of the Mickeys (sidewall strength).

With regard to the MT117 sports I personally dont rate them atall in mud, but they do seem to go ok on rock.

Avoid Simex, Silverstone Extremes etc. they are awful on the road and not available in the sizes you require I dont think.

If all you wanted was max traction, Super Swamper Boggers would probably be the best option, but again size would be an issue I think.

[953]

Sorry I cant add much but, Id be keen to hear ppl,s opinions on old vs new bfg,s. The old pattern looked so much more open, you would think it would clear mud at a far better rate? I too will be in the market for a new set of muds soon.
Cheers Dean.

[MacFamily]

I wont say these are the best but its what Iam running at the moment and from the different types of terrain including alot of mud they have performed really well.

Federal Couragia M/T Federal Tyres Australia - Couragia M/T (http://www.federaltyres.com.au/couragiamt) you will also find this tyre in there 4wd action tyre test.Ive got 285/75 16 on our defender with sunny rims 16x8 with zero offset and they only just just stick out past the flares.I have noticed a little rubbing on front radius arms but thats it, I put 130 springs in the front when I got the old girl and have no winch so have not sagged so plenty of clearence.With the zero offset do not rub on rear springs/mount.But may have to do something about the flares as the car gets sprayed with mud when out playing and cannot see out passenger windows :D

There a little noisey now on the highway but all M/T are, so far they have worn well only 8k old but have/will rotate every 5k when I do a service including spare.But I will be happy if i get 50k out of the set :( ,but for $250 a tyre who cares.

Maxxis also do a couple of good M/T, I had bighorns on my old cruiser and they were great in the mud also great value.
Heres a pic of how far they stick out
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1015.jpg

[PAT303]

I have maxxis bighorns and to me they are the most impressive mud tyres there is.The grip on mud,rock etc is very good but the road grip is outstanding,better than some road tyres I've had.They come in 255/85/16 as well and mine are on 8x16 rims and were $270 each.I wouldn't buy silverstones,they don't drone but HOWL over 40 and they grip on hard surfaces like a dog on wet lino. Pat

[Allan]

Ive got Toyo's on mine, horrid on the road,seem ok off road. Not much mud around this time of year here (100 odd days without rain) will try in the winter and report.:D:D:D

Allan

[SVX37]

I peeled off the General Grabbers (wallowy ride on road) after driving out of the showroom and headed straight to a tyre dealer for the BFG KM2's x 5. I knew the original ones were good and had previously won the title a year ago on the 4wd Action tyre test. So I purchased these prior to this latest test. I have only been stuck in mud once ........but that was due to lack of clearance! They clear the mud well and for me, are quite good on the bitumen because there is alot of that on the way to the fun places!:)

Tyre size 265/75 16's.
16,000k's and showing minimal wear. They are much quieter on bitumen than most Muddies too.

[long stroke]

I wont say these are the best but its what Iam running at the moment and from the different types of terrain including alot of mud they have performed really well.

Federal Couragia M/T Federal Tyres Australia - Couragia M/T (http://www.federaltyres.com.au/couragiamt) you will also find this tyre in there 4wd action tyre test.Ive got 285/75 16 on our defender with sunny rims 16x8 with zero offset and they only just just stick out past the flares.I have noticed a little rubbing on front radius arms but thats it, I put 130 springs in the front when I got the old girl and have no winch so have not sagged so plenty of clearence.With the zero offset do not rub on rear springs/mount.But may have to do something about the flares as the car gets sprayed with mud when out playing and cannot see out passenger windows :D

There a little noisey now on the highway but all M/T are, so far they have worn well only 8k old but have/will rotate every 5k when I do a service including spare.But I will be happy if i get 50k out of the set :( ,but for $250 a tyre who cares.

Maxxis also do a couple of good M/T, I had bighorns on my old cruiser and they were great in the mud also great value.
Heres a pic of how far they stick out
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1015.jpg

I agree, the couragia federal muds seem like an awesome tyre!!
A mate is running them in 285/75/16 and they perform very well in the mud!!
they have a very open tread pattern so the mud clears out of them pretty well:cool:
when you look at the track they leave in the mud you would almost mistake them for the simex tread pattern;)

Personly these would probably be my first choice for the mud after the simex's, silverson's, simply because they are cheap and handle fine on the road:cool:

[TwoUp]

I am happy with the KM2, 255/85 on TX1 rims. They are good on the road and excellent off road. Will throw mud up the side and re-entering the vehicle you have caked door handles. Havent been stuck yet, but it is relatively early. Will try again this weekend.

[mike_beecham]

Just to throw another opinion in l run COOPER STT 235/85R16 (Factory size) on Boost alloys.

Can not fault them. I do a fair it of highway driving. As well as a rock and mud. I use them as a general all-rounder. Have had great wear out of them. Not cheap though.


Cheers,
Mike

[isuzurover]

OK this one ought to get some comments flying. I need a set of proper traction tyres - sufficient to cope with mud, clay, wet grass etc. Sand is less of a concern - happy to air down.

...


I want the max. track I can get, without modifying the guards, to run ideally 285/75 or fallback 265/75

Again, any views appreciated.

Well - the Best mud tyres (which would fit without modifications) would be a set of small 16" tractor tyres. If that is too aggressive, then the next best would be tyres like boggers, simex, silverstone etc... How legal they are is another matter. I believe in some states you cannot legally fit cross-ply tyres to a vehicle which came with radials. (or the rules may simply be that you cannot go down in speed rating).

So - do you want the "Best" tyre? Or the best legal tyre???

As for sizes and offset. I have a set of 255/85-16 on +15mm (extra offset over std.) disco rims, and a set of 285/75-16 on +30mm (extra offset over std.) disco rims. The 285's rub on articulation - where the flare attached to the body.

[NOFUSS]

Well - the Best mud tyres (which would fit without modifications) would be a set of small 16" tractor tyres. .

these are the best for mud (white morrel clay country) and mud only had them on our spray rigs not cheep either but good for the mud hated sand and the hard stuff. tend to cook on black top any thing over 60km.we did go back to 33/12.50-15 on the bfg m/t when started to get more farm land and more km on the road travel.but some of the best tyres i have used in the mud are the good old 750/16 dunlop mud diggers but good luck finding them now ;) old s3 loved these

[malsgoing130]

Ive got the Big horn 255/85 16, good grip wet and dry, good in sand but have not had the opportunity to test them in mud. loud worbling sound at 90+ km/h. Mate of mine races with them and loves them, good grip and exellent life very little chipping etc unlike the BFG he used to use.
Cheers
Mal

[Treads]

Ive got the Big horn 255/85 16, good grip wet and dry, good in sand but have not had the opportunity to test them in mud. loud worbling sound at 90+ km/h. Mate of mine races with them and loves them, good grip and exellent life very little chipping etc unlike the BFG he used to use.
Cheers
Mal

Couldn't agree more :BigThumb:

We've had the same size on our deefer for 12 months now and they are going brilliantly. Awesome on road and rocky trails, good on sand (haven't even aired them down :angel: ) and are good enough for us in mud. I haven't had to use the winch in anger yet, so they must do alright :p

[D110V8D]

This question is done TO death....:mad:

Seriously. Everyone has a different opinion on what a mud terrain tire even is.

If you want serious traction off road.....get a tractor tire like Isuzurover said....anything else is a compromise. Even Simex ET's or the equivalent.....It's always going to be a compromise.

I've run Et's before and found them nowhere near as bad on road as many said they were....but it's me and not you driving the car. I've driven on super swampers when others said they suck on road....not too bad as far as I'm concerned.

It's all personal opinion and driving style and this subject is done to death.

Sorry for the rant and not trying to have a go at anyone .....get out there and try a few.....take a test drive.....whatever.....but it's way to personal a choice as far as I'm concerned.:angel::angel:

[SVX37]

This question is done TO death....:mad:

Seriously. Everyone has a different opinion on what a mud terrain tire even is.

If you want serious traction off road.....get a tractor tire like Isuzurover said....anything else is a compromise. Even Simex ET's or the equivalent.....It's always going to be a compromise.

I've run Et's before and found them nowhere near as bad on road as many said they were....but it's me and not you driving the car. I've driven on super swampers when others said they suck on road....not too bad as far as I'm concerned.

It's all personal opinion and driving style and this subject is done to death.

Sorry for the rant and not trying to have a go at anyone .....get out there and try a few.....take a test drive.....whatever.....but it's way to personal a choice as far as I'm concerned.:angel::angel:


Now now now....go and have a Bex and a good lay down.:wasntme:

You are correct in some of the things you are saying but it is people's opinions that were asked for, and that is what the users have given.

No one has to take the advice.:angel:

You are also correct in saying that tyres are a compromise....but so is a Defender :wasntme:as well as many other things in life. :D

[wisey110]

I went micky's mtz's down right awesome.
I've been told alot of the comp boys are going them over the claws becuase of the sideways traction.
plus they don't howl as much as a more agressive tyre.
but when it comes down to it how many$$$$$$$$$$ do you have to play with how long do you want them to last.

Dad has Bighorns on the 130, good. but rather the micky's

good luck

[bcj]

Michlin xzl in 7.50r16-finally got mine(after much deliberation) 5k ago :):):) excellent around farm in wet - been ok on wet roads(due care taken),I do 100km school run every day.Downside is they like to throw around rocks on gravel road.Always found personally this the best size in mud -till you belly out anyway,then it's time to get the tractor.
Brett

[def-90]

i've had MTZ's and personally didn't rate them, have 2 sets 235/85's on the disco and 35x12.50's as road tyres on my fender and are waaaaaayyyy better then mtz's on road, haven't played with them yet much off road but i think the tread pattern is better then most for rock and even mud, the yanks are rating them. they are super quiet on road, and have a open tread pattern, but are a tad exy. ave a look!!

[Gav110]

Am leaning towards BFG MT KM2 on the back of what seems to be a chorus of praiseon the web. Size: 255/85 seems to be the new size of choice to maximise tread pattern with eliminating rubbing/guard issues and necessitating switch to alternative wheels...

[samuelclarke]

Am leaning towards BFG MT KM2 on the back of what seems to be a chorus of praiseon the web. Size: 255/85 seems to be the new size of choice to maximise tread pattern with eliminating rubbing/guard issues and necessitating switch to alternative wheels...

Yep, that'd be my choice too...in fact it is. When it comes time to replace my 235/85 BFG AT's, I'll be going for BFG MT KM2's in 255/85. I've heard only good from mates that are running the KM2's - and one of them gives his tyres hell! :twisted:

[Tombie]

Claws... No question about it..

Excellent Road matters for what they are... (Never slipped mine in the wet)

Fantastic traction on everything else.

[BigJon]

Tombie - As in Baja Claws? Spent a day in the sand with Kerry last weekend...

[Tombie]

Tombie - As in Baja Claws? Spent a day in the sand with Kerry last weekend...

Yeah... Bajas...

Never had a traction issue in Sand, Mud or Clay... And great on rock too...

The MT-117s would come a close second, but not as nice onroad in the wet and a little noisier to boot.

[lambrover]

I have wrangler mud terrains the older type and they are great 33x12.5x15.

my mate has mickey thomsons mtz they are good but I think they are way to soft,

another mate has the new bfg muddie and I don't like it the tread is closer togerther then the old tyre, he has 255/85/16 so a little skinner than mine but mine work heaps better.

[Fraz]

New 255/85/16 BFG MT KM2
Picked them up today. Done a quick run on the F3 with them - nothing offroad or in the wet as yet.
Speedo is now 100% correct to gps :)
They are louder, but its a defender so who cares :cool:
First impressions are tops, and they look great!!!

Will break them in through The Barringtons this weekend. Cant wait!

22855

22853
There is a little overhang on the rears. looks good

22854

22851

22856

Even sitting with weight on them, they are about 4cm taller than the old ones - 235/85/16s

Cheers

[Didge]

Ooh, they've got that cage fighter/ 5 o'clock shadow/ macho look about them but like the businessman says to the prostitute " How much?" lol
ps isn't that the standard size the boffins at landrover england recommend?

[Allan]

Tried the Toyo M/T's over the weekend down south. Very impressed. Also very happy with the Terra Firma shocks, great ride and control even with very heavy load.

Allan

[SVX37]

[QUOTE=Fraz;1188070]New 255/85/16 BFG MT KM2

Even sitting with weight on them, they are about 4cm taller than the old ones - 235/85/16s

Hi there Fraz, is there any rub with standard suspension with this size? Different threads seem too have differing views...:eek:

[Fraz]

They werent cheap, $340 fitted and balanced but I think you'll be pushing to find that price anywhere at the moment. Seems there was a sudden increase in supply costs somewhere. Im glad I kept my quote :D

As for the rubbing, Ill be able to let you know after this weekend hopefully. Havent had a chance to use them properly yet :(
Theyre on a 130, so the back shouldnt rub at all, unless they scrub the spring towers. Im a little concerned about the front though, I estimate about a 1inch sag:eek:

[carlosbeldia]

I don't know if they are legal in Australia, but here in Colombia Military type (like used in original Willys) are the best for mud.... a good compromise are General Super All Grip (only in 7.50R16), unbeatable in mud for Land Rover Defender and Series, no matter the brand or model. Even tried against Trepador, BigHorn, Super Swampers...... they don't have a chance unless there is a problem of ground clearance....

[Brid]

A couple of the Central Qld mines I visit have been using Firestone MT's (265.75 I think) on Patrols, and comments made suggest they are better than others used recently. I think Dueller MTs were common before.

[carlosbeldia]

Firestone's Destination MT are considered the best MT's.........

Firestone Destination M/T (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp'tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Destination+M/T)

[andyD90]

Across here in muddy scotland i am using insa sahara mud tyres 235/85/16 on a D90 1998 300TDI. get me most places and arnt to bad on the road

[philco]

I had a set of ELDORADO trailcutter M/T, had them on a nissan patrol, went with the car when sold it, best tyres ever had, hard wearing, great on the beach, quiet on the road, fantastic in the mud, wish i still had them, they are made in the same factory as coopers, but the company that owns the factory sell them under the ELDORADO brand.
there is a write up in the 4wd action with the other tyres, recommended. I would recommend them to anyone wanting a great all rounder.Eldorado Trailcutter M/T (http://www.tyres4u.com.au/brandselector_doc-eldprodtrailcutmt_img-el_show.aspx)

[Jitterbug]

After a bit of research I have just put a set of maxxis bighorns on my defender (255/85 r16). The car looks a lot more 'in proportion' than it did with the 235 85 16 ATs that have just come off.
Initial impressions are that there is no noticable difference in gearing or any real difference in noise (not that you can tell by the time I have the music loud enough to hear over the 300tdi).
Not had chance to test them off road yet but I am going to a mates property out west (of Brisbane) this weekend so I dont think there will be any shortage of mud to test them out in!
I will let you know how they go compared to the other 4wds out there, I will try and get some photos of them in action too!

[Treads]

After a bit of research I have just put a set of maxxis bighorns on my defender (255/85 r16). The car looks a lot more 'in proportion' than it did with the 235 85 16 ATs that have just come off.
Initial impressions are that there is no noticable difference in gearing or any real difference in noise (not that you can tell by the time I have the music loud enough to hear over the 300tdi).
Not had chance to test them off road yet but I am going to a mates property out west (of Brisbane) this weekend so I dont think there will be any shortage of mud to test them out in!
I will let you know how they go compared to the other 4wds out there, I will try and get some photos of them in action too!

You won't be sorry with your choice :cool:

[Gav110]

In this month's 4WD Action, the Maxxis Bighorns and BFG MT KM2 both came out as the informal 'winners' in a multi-surface traction and overall performance test. Predictably the ATs won on sand and road (though not as clear cut as you'd think), and the proper MTs won-out on the hill climb and mud.

The Maxxis had a slight edge in mud; the BFG MT KM2 had the edge in road noise (was quieter than many ATs - but then again, this is for a Deefer ;) ) and also won the hill climb traction test.

It's clear both are worthy options, and surprisingly easy to live with as daily tyres according to the judges.

[Gav110]

Bargain on ebay for BFG MTs: 4WD Tyres 33" BF Goodrich Mud Terrain - eBay Tyres, Wheels, Tyres, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 14-Mar-10 22:49:32 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4WD-Tyres-33-BF-Goodrich-Mud-Terrain_W0QQitemZ200446283425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU _Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2eab878ea1)

[Jitterbug]

Got to test the new Bighorns (255/85 16) this weekend both on road and off and I was pretty impressed. On the total 6 hour round trip on tarmac, some in the wet, they were fine. I didnt notice any difference to the AT they replaced apart from a slight hum at higher speeds. Certainly nothing too loud.

On rock and in mud they were great. I got myself bogged once and discovered that these tyres can dig! A good thing when there is hard stuff to dig down to but not so great when it is soft all the way down! Pretty quickly they had nearly burried themselves (still running 32psi at this point!:(). Nothing a my friend with a winch couldnt solve though!

All in all impressed with the performance and they do make the car look a lot meaner too!

[Treads]

I'm glad you're happy with them. I reckon deefers look quite well 'balanced' with 33's on :cool:

We haven't been able to bog ours since getting the Bighorns on. maybe I'm just not trying hard enough :angel:

Did you have any scrubbing issues with the standard springs? The side-biters just occasionally clip the edge of the front left flare when at full lock and serious articulation. Mind you we have some pre-existing damage there that doesn't help ;) I'm hoping a new set of 2" lift springs will solve that.

[Jitterbug]

No scrubbing that I have noticed although the truck may have a slight lift and I didnt get any big articulation whilst steering.
It has bilstein dampers (inc steering) so some work has been done by a previous owner but there are no distinguishable features on the springs and I have never come across a standard defender to compare...
The only thing I had to do for these tyres was to adjust the steering damper as the passenger side tyre rubbed the chassis rail at full lock.

[OZ Landy]

They look excellent on your Defender!
I think that's the best tyre size for our toys ;)

Did you notice any change in gearing?
Acceleration and maybe bad break performance?
What's your rim size and offset?
Sorry for the interrogation but its's good to have someone who actually has 255/85/16 on his Defender.

[sashadidi]

using Pirelli Scorpion MUD. 235 by 16 seem very good, very "chunky" on sidewalls for extra grip,seem very good on the road also
good price here NZ$250 each I would love Michelins but very expensive here and have to buy out of the UK

[ScottW]

What's your rim size and offset?

+1 :)

One thing I would have liked is if 4WD action did a wet bitumen test on the tyres, to see how they handle a normal wet road.

[Jitterbug]

They look excellent on your Defender!
I think that's the best tyre size for our toys ;)

Did you notice any change in gearing?
Acceleration and maybe bad break performance?
What's your rim size and offset?
Sorry for the interrogation but its's good to have someone who actually has 255/85/16 on his Defender.

No problems about the questions. I am usually the one asking so it is good to be able to answer some for a change.

The is no real noticable difference on the gearing or the acceleration (still terrible!) but I haven't noticed a detrimental effect at all. I checked my speedo against the speed reading on my navman and it is nearly spot on, the speedo still reads around 2% less than the gps read out, must have been way out before!

My brakes are not good, but then they werent before the new tyres either. The tyres have amplified the problem (couldnt hold the car on a steep but easily driveable hill without it rolling back, the wheels rotating, not slipping!:() so i am going to change fluid and check pads and give them a general service on the weekend, see if that makes things better!

The tyres are on 16 x 7j sunrasia style wheels, not sure on manufacturer or offset.

I will be heading up to double island after easter so will get to see how they go on sand then too.

Dave

[OZ Landy]

Thanks for the info Dave.
Please keep us updated how they did perform on sand.
Have fun during Easter. We will around Lake Jasper in south-west WA.

Cheers

[isuzutoo-eh]

I have 33" (255x85R16) bighorns on my County and spent the day on Stockton beach. The tyres performed really well. One spot I failed to proceed but don't think any of the party did and I just backed off-climbing a fairly steep dune without room for a run up.
On the really churned up soft stuff around Lavis Lane the bighorns were sensational, I could stop and restart with ease though its not something you should try I have since been told!

[LRCounty]

My brakes are not good, but then they werent before the new tyres either. The tyres have amplified the problem (couldnt hold the car on a steep but easily driveable hill without it rolling back, the wheels rotating, not slipping!:() so i am going to change fluid and check pads and give them a general service on the weekend, see if that makes things better!
Dave

Yeah..I can relate to the bad brakes being amplified by larger tyres issue.
I also have Bighorn 255's.
I have drums on the back of my County too...can you imagine!

I finally got scared into action when I had the whole family in the car, loaded up for a camping trip and travelling down south.

When I got home, i stripped the front calipers and put new pistons and seals in (pistons were pitted), new brake pads in the front, new rotors ($24 each for new solid rotors) replaced the perished (probably 26 years old) rubber brake lines with SS braided lines, bled it all and adjusted rear drums (everything else was fine on the back). Holy Crap....what a difference....suddenly I discovered that us County and Defender owners have a choice to NOT live with bad brakes.

Cheers
Andre

[ugu80]

Everyone seems aware of the Maxxis Bighorn but they also make another, the Maxxis Buckshot Mudder. Very similar to the Bighorn but with a slightly more open tread. I've got them on my 300tdi Def. and can't fault them. Reading some 4wd mag and I read the guy who owns Opposite Lock Sydney South also runs them on his Defender.

Most manufacturers have their range on the web for asthetic comparison..

[JaYwALk]

Just put a set of BFG MT's KM2 265/75/16 on the Fender and I couldn't be happier. Off road (mud, sand, crap) they have performed exceptionally well and on road they are surprisingly quiet. And just as important they look friggin awesome!!! The 265's are marginally taller than originals but the speedo is now spot on and makes no difference to the drive.

[chops110]

Hey JayWalk - nice looking truck (been checking out your gallery too).:eek:

I'm looking at the same tyres (265/75/16 BFG KM2's) for my 2009 110 wagon...factory boost alloys (currently still with the General Grabbers on). From what I can gauge reading plenty of threads they seem to be a straight swap and will run on standard suspension without rubbing either the rear towers or the radius arms at the front???:confused:

Have you found it to be a trouble-free mod on the boost alloys with standard suspension?

Thanks

Chops110

[Slunnie]

OK this one ought to get some comments flying. I need a set of proper traction tyres - sufficient to cope with mud, clay, wet grass etc. Sand is less of a concern - happy to air down.

Most MTs cope well with mud, but anyone who has tackled sticky clay knows that even 'serious' tyres like Cooper STTs (which I have now - 265/75) will fill the voids up and hold it unless spun hard - which is downright dangerous on steep slopes.

In a recent 4WD Action review, the overall winner was the BFG Mud Terrain KM2, however the judges were surprised how well the Mickey Thompson Baja Claw faired on road - and it scored very highly overall.

The Silverstone M117 also scored extremely well offroad, but was penalised on road - but I know it is highly regarded in the group.

Given Defender drivers are (generally) realistic about the nature of their vehicles and set them up for more offroad bias :twisted: (why else would you really buy one?) I am not considering 'softer' options.

I am leaning towards the Baja Claw, or possibly the NEW BFG MT KM2, but would possibly consider something more extreme if the onroad aspects are at least safe.

Keen to hear experiences and views of these 3, and any others. I should add that I need at least some road safety as this is a kiddie transporter and tourer when not hitting trails.

I am also interested in any views on the best after market alloy wheel (prefer over the look of steel) which can increase track without needing a new set of guard extensions, while fitting up ideally 285/75 or 265/75.

Have seen offerings from Zu/Landrover Tuning which look impressive but pricey (Landrover Tuning :: Defender Alloy Rim 7"x16" offset 25mm, Light Strong - Exterior Defender - << Defender >> - Default Store View (http://www.landrovertuning.com.au/shop/default/defender/exterior/defender-alloy-rim-7-x16-offset-25mm-light-strong.html)) - will they fit these tyres on a standard Puma without rubbing?

Also impressive looking is the Outlaw from LRA: Alloy Rims (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d708_01.html)

I want the max. track I can get, without modifying the guards, to run ideally 285/75 or fallback 265/75

Again, any views appreciated.
There was a post earlier that commented on Simex. I think almost every tyre that has been talked about in this thread has been a MT type pattern which will be designed with similar intended uses for what you already have. If you are looking for something more aggressive you will reduce your streetability, but thats the compromise. If you're after a bog style tyre so that you don't get bogged in clay etc, then radial muds just simply wont cut it - and that includes the claw and the latest BFG MT from what I've seen. You really need to be looking at Bog style tyres such as the Simex Jungle Trekker 2 which are fine on the road except for the typical bias ply tyre cold morning flat spots. These tyres like the Simex JT2 or maybe the ET are where you need to be for any clay work. Be aware that many like the Maxxis Creepy, Swampers etc are not necessarily legal for road work due to their ratings, where the Simex are (verify this yourself)

[rick130]

Just a quick heresay type comment from a miner I know.

He reckoned that the pit he works at (Bengalla) tested Big Horns, the new BFG MT and Cooper STT's and the Big Horns did the worst in terms of wear, chipping and shredding.
This did surprise me as I've run two sets of BFG MT's (old style) and now 762 Big Horns and mine have been fine so far.
They cop a caning on the roads around here, which are mainly shale which is usually hell on tyres, and the 762's seem to be about on par with the BFG's.

I wish more 255/85's were available, there are many more brands and tyres in that size available OS but the companies won't bring them in, too small to non existent market they reckon.

One interesting one is a Toyo MT with three ply sidewalls. It's also slightly taller than most 255/85's at 33.5" diameter. Toyo's are bit on the exxy side but have a fantastic reputation with tour operators for durability. Shame they won't bring that tyre in.

[Gav110]

Time for a "buyers update" report:

Have now got just under 10,000 km on my 285/75/16 BFG MT KM2s and absolutely loving them. Those tread blocks don't hold anything - mud and goop just flies past my window, and almost no stones in the tread blocks unlike my old Cooper STTs.

Noise is similar to the STTs I had on my TD5 but because the rest of the car is quieter I tend to notice them more. Not unpleasant though. Rid and handling, plus wet road grip - all outstanding.

[jerryd]

I've just fitted Roadstone Roadian MT Tyres to my County. I've gone back to 235/85/16 on Wolf Rims and am going to use these for mainly road use ( and the occasional play after work :angel: ) They are really smooth on the road and for the first time I can appreciate my new springs and shocks. Also only cost $210 each fitted.

For purely off road playing I've decided to get a set of those Insa Turbo Special Track Tyres.I'll stick to 265/75/16 on the Disco rims. They look like a copy of another brand but at half the cost.

Anybody else use them ???

[T1ASLAV]

Recently read that test aswell and decided to go for the Maaxis Bighorns in 33x12.5 R15 for my defender and am very happy with them, bit noisier than mates BFG KM2's on road but only just, very impressed with them off the Tar.

[isuzurover]

Just a quick heresay type comment from a miner I know.

He reckoned that the pit he works at (Bengalla) tested Big Horns, the new BFG MT and Cooper STT's and the Big Horns did the worst in terms of wear, chipping and shredding.
This did surprise me as I've run two sets of BFG MT's (old style) and now 762 Big Horns and mine have been fine so far.
They cop a caning on the roads around here, which are mainly shale which is usually hell on tyres, and the 762's seem to be about on par with the BFG's.

I wish more 255/85's were available, there are many more brands and tyres in that size available OS but the companies won't bring them in, too small to non existent market they reckon.

One interesting one is a Toyo MT with three ply sidewalls. It's also slightly taller than most 255/85's at 33.5" diameter. Toyo's are bit on the exxy side but have a fantastic reputation with tour operators for durability. Shame they won't bring that tyre in.

The bighorns are definitely softer and easier to damage than my MTRs. However, I just did the canning, gibb, karragini and a whole bunch of stuff in between, with no problems on the Bighorns. Only one puncture (staked tyre) in our party - a hilux - running a Toyo.

[scott oz]

OK read the thread as I have the opertuinity to buy 4 BFG tyres which have never hit the road for $200 each. They are 265 70 R16 would these fit standard steel disco rims on a 2001 110

[justinc]

Too small diameter. You will really need 265/75/16's.(31.5")

JC

[discostu]

I wont say these are the best but its what Iam running at the moment and from the different types of terrain including alot of mud they have performed really well

Federal Couragia M/T Federal Tyres Australia - Couragia M/T (http://www.federaltyres.com.au/couragiamt) you will also find this tyre in there 4wd action tyre test.Ive got 285/75 16 on our defender with sunny rims 16x8 with zero offset and they only just just stick out past the flares.I have noticed a little rubbing on front radius arms but thats it, I put 130 springs in the front when I got the old girl and have no winch so have not sagged so plenty of clearence.With the zero offset do not rub on rear springs/mount.But may have to do something about the flares as the car gets sprayed with mud when out playing and cannot see out passenger windows :D

There a little noisey now on the highway but all M/T are, so far they have worn well only 8k old but have/will rotate every 5k when I do a service including spare.But I will be happy if i get 50k out of the set :( ,but for $250 a tyre who cares.

Maxxis also do a couple of good M/T, I had bighorns on my old cruiser and they were great in the mud also great value.
Heres a pic of how far they stick out
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/02/1015.jpg

I would just like to offer my own experience with the Federal M/T. I had 5 on my D2 with approx 20K's on them (rotated & balanced every 5K)when I set off for the Simpson, destroyed 2 before Camerons Corner then detroyed another 2 between there and Innamincka. All pressures were good, they developed splits down the sidewalls on nearly every side bitter eventually failing. As you can imagine this put a a dampener on the trip changing tyres with levers in the bush. On return I spoke with Reps about warranty and they wanted the tyres back for proof, ha pretty funny, had enough stuff in the car let alone bringing back 5 stuffed tyres, longer story short the mouldings have been changed to "rectify" this issue(reps words)but I'm not going to find out the hard way. so no more Federals for me! JMHO
Stu

[T1ASLAV]

I also read the 4WD Action comparo and decided to go for the Maxxis Bighorns, mainly due to the price I could pick them up for here in Canberra.
I have found them to be excellent off road in all conditions through the last winter here and suprisingly good on the road compared to the BFG ATR's that I replaced them with.
My 2 cents worth.........

[Drew90]

Anyone seen the Yokohama geolander MT's ?

They looks Schweet :p

[KarlB]

Anyone seen the Yokohama geolander MT's ?

They looks Schweet :p

They do look good but they don't seem to have been rated highly in comparisons to quite a few other MTs. See Overlander 4WD :: View topic - 4WD Monthly Mud Terrain comparo.....Results (http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=292927&sid=8aaad89ee973fb288634951719d064d0) for some discussion. I have Geolander ATs on my Disco and I have been very happy with them but they are a very differnet beast to the MTs.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Drew90]

They do look good but they don't seem to have been rated highly in comparisons to quite a few other MTs. See Overlander 4WD :: View topic - 4WD Monthly Mud Terrain comparo.....Results (http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=292927&sid=8aaad89ee973fb288634951719d064d0) for some discussion. I have Geolander ATs on my Disco and I have been very happy with them but they are a very differnet beast to the MTs.

Cheers
KarlB
:)


yeah I'd have to say the Geolander AT's are one of the best all round tyre on the market. Amazing grip and surefoot on the road, some great tread and even a little bit of side wall tread as well. When I put a set on my old SR5 is was like driving a different car. One that didn't spit me straight through a corner. Pfffff... Bridgestone.

[Drew90]

They do look good but they don't seem to have been rated highly in comparisons to quite a few other MTs. See Overlander 4WD :: View topic - 4WD Monthly Mud Terrain comparo.....Results (http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=292927&sid=8aaad89ee973fb288634951719d064d0) for some discussion. I have Geolander ATs on my Disco and I have been very happy with them but they are a very differnet beast to the MTs.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

The problem I have with these Tests are; who is doing them, who do they work for or are sponsored by or what tyres do they use on their vehicle etc. etc. etc.

All I know is that, I've had Yokohama's on both a car and a 4wd and the brand is one of the best in the market. I haven't tried all brands but I guess you can't go passed BFGoodrich. Not sure i'd buy them but that will depend on when I get my wallet out. I'd like to go with Mickey Thomson as they have always been recommended to me buy a competitive 4wdriver. But again, who is sponsoring them etc etc etc. Money talks, it's hard to get an honest answer these days.

[KarlB]

The problem I have with these Tests are; who is doing them, who do they work for or are sponsored by or what tyres do they use on their vehicle etc. etc. etc.

All I know is that, I've had Yokohama's on both a car and a 4wd and the brand is one of the best in the market. I haven't tried all brands but I guess you can't go passed BFGoodrich. Not sure i'd buy them but that will depend on when I get my wallet out. I'd like to go with Mickey Thomson as they have always been recommended to me buy a competitive 4wdriver. But again, who is sponsoring them etc etc etc. Money talks, it's hard to get an honest answer these days.

I agree Drew and that is why I mentioned my Geolander ATs. I am getting really good wear and for the sort of driving I have done in it they have been fine. No heavy mud though. I must say that 4WD Action seems to me to be far more prepared to give things a bad rating if they deserve it than other mags. Though they are no different to others in trying to find good things to say rather than bad. But maybe that should be a lesson for all of us. The 4WD-A test is worth having a read of though if you can get hold of a copy. They seamed reasonably thorough, but the emphasis was on deep mud performance, but not solely. Things like wear, puncture resistance, side wall strength, available of replacements, dry and wet road manners, breaking performance, etc. are all important.

I expect I will get close to 80k km out of the Geolander ATs, and that seems a good average performance. I got 120k km out of the original Michelins though! On the D90, I have the original General Grabbers and they will stay until they wear out. I will probably replace them with Goodyear Wrangler MT/R Kevlars. A more 'aggressive' tread pattern than the Grabbers but still a compromise compared to the tyres the mud bunnies are keen on. I am planning to stick with 235/85s. Happy with that size for the sort of driving I do.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[bond]

I've been trying to track down Mich XZL, but they are very expensive :(
XSY's seem to be non-existent

Really looking for a high-ply LT tyre, wish I could find some in 8.25-16.
I don't yet have another motorbike, so the 130CC is still my daily driver, so decent life on tarmac is a major plus.

Now looking at importing Toyo's in 255/85 to fit onto a set of wolf rims I have here.

Need to find out what shipping's like - as to whether I do 2 orders of 3 tyres to avoid import duties, or if shipping cost on the second set would offset the cost of GST, thus making one order of 6 tyres the better option.

[KarlB]

I've been trying to track down Mich XZL, but they are very expensive :(
XSY's seem to be non-existent

Really looking for a high-ply LT tyre, wish I could find some in 8.25-16.
I don't yet have another motorbike, so the 130CC is still my daily driver, so decent life on tarmac is a major plus.

Now looking at importing Toyo's in 255/85 to fit onto a set of wolf rims I have here.

Need to find out what shipping's like - as to whether I do 2 orders of 3 tyres to avoid import duties, or if shipping cost on the second set would offset the cost of GST, thus making one order of 6 tyres the better option.

Have you tried contacting Michelin Australia directly (see http://transport.michelin.com.au/Home/About-Us/Contact-Us (http://transport.michelin.com.au/Home/About-Us/Contact-Us)). MA certainly lists both XZLs and XZYs in their catalogue. Not sure what sizes are imported though. Some tyre dealers can be very lazy when it comes to something a bit unusual.

Have you considered importing these: http://www.michelin.co.za/za/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=20060301154613. Not the size you want but, from what I have read your can't kill them, and they live forever!

Michelins are expensive to buy, but my experience with a range of vehicles and tyre sizes, is, in the long run, you will be way in front.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[bond]

The 4X4 O/R is the new name for the Michelin XZL I believe, and yes they're meant to be very very good, but I gathered they'll still get chewed up quickly on tarmac.

I've contacted Michelin, no response yet, also contacted several tyre dealers, averaging around ~370 per tyre fitted for XZL 7.5-16 (370 x 6 tyres hurts :eek:) I've read of people getting brand new take-offs for much less, but I don't think I'll find a deal like that :(

Looking at the Toyo M55 at the moment, looks pretty delicious

[mudder110]

hey there ive got a 110 300tdi 98 defender we work in the gulf so we see
a lot of mud just stuck on a set of mtr mud teraains great in the mud and dirt great for ruts but dangerous on fast dirt roads as they through up debri.
i think you cant go past bf goodridge muddys better wear quiter on road
awsome off road wish i hadnt changed

[TwoUp]

Have to agree with Mudders, first noticed the amount of debris flying up from the KM2s 255/85 on my 98 110.

[lardy]

Ive got Toyo's on mine, horrid on the road,seem ok off road. Not much mud around this time of year here (100 odd days without rain) will try in the winter and report.:D:D:D

Allan

you want try karratha Allan;)

[lardy]

They do look good but they don't seem to have been rated highly in comparisons to quite a few other MTs. See Overlander 4WD :: View topic - 4WD Monthly Mud Terrain comparo.....Results (http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=292927&sid=8aaad89ee973fb288634951719d064d0) for some discussion. I have Geolander ATs on my Disco and I have been very happy with them but they are a very differnet beast to the MTs.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

Interestingly enough I was looking at three sets yok's bfg and thomo's yok's seemed the softer compound of the three whilst bfg came in middle and Thomo's had a firm compound I am guessing these would have a more resistant wear ??!!Andy

[nugge t]

I have been running Mickey Thompson MTZ's on various trucks for the last 5 years and have been very with the performance and life.

Even the dealer commented on how much better the ruck drove with the MTZ's compared to the stocks.

[Fish78]

I run Mickey Thompson MTZ's, cant fault them, best all round traction tyre IMO, closely followed by BFG KM2s, KM2s have a high wear rate so with that alone i put them second.

Way way back to 3rd, i say Goodyear MTR Kevlar.

I dont like Coopers, i believe they are overrated.

[lardy]

I run Mickey Thompson MTZ's, cant fault them, best all round traction tyre IMO, closely followed by BFG KM2s, KM2s have a high wear rate so with that alone i put them second.

Way way back to 3rd, i say Goodyear MTR Kevlar.

I dont like Coopers, i believe they are overrated.

I was looking at the thommo's price and actual feel for a guide (not very scientific i'm sure) but i think i may well be going that way

[rick130]

The problem I have with these Tests are; who is doing them, who do they work for or are sponsored by or what tyres do they use on their vehicle etc. etc. etc.

[snip]


Case construction also has a huge bearing on this.

What suits one vehicle may be bloody terrible on something else.
Suspension design, components (springs and dampers), geometry and critically weight balance and transfer all vary even within chassis families, as do driver expectations and abilities.

That's why I've always taken comparative tests with a pinch of salt (and I've been involved in comparative tests and major manufacturer race tyre testing in the dim dark distant past)

[Gav110]

Have to agree with Mudders, first noticed the amount of debris flying up from the KM2s 255/85 on my 98 110.

Ditto - with the windows open it's free fascials.... Have also fitted a set of MTZs on the camper trailer. The KM2 and MTZ get my gong for best mud tyres.

[Josh_WA]

My 110 has KHUMO Road Venture MT's on it in 33 x 12.5 x R15 LT on 15" alloys that have extra offset.

They are directonal so are not that loud on the road ( not that it matters on a defender) but it dosent seem wallow around like my patrol with bighorns used to on the road.

off the road they are like nothing else i have ever used and just grip on anything, nice big side biters aswell. the flares and mudflaps have been extended about 50mm outwards but it still throws mud and dirt all over the place.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180145_10150102483828145_687578144_6267603_3915679 _n.jpg

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1686/90952611.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/90952611.jpg/)

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Cheers

[lardy]

Case construction also has a huge bearing on this.

What suits one vehicle may be bloody terrible on something else.
Suspension design, components (springs and dampers), geometry and critically weight balance and transfer all vary even within chassis families, as do driver expectations and abilities.

That's why I've always taken comparative tests with a pinch of salt (and I've been involved in comparative tests and major manufacturer race tyre testing in the dim dark distant past)

So what you got on the 130 Rick and why??

[GuyG]

My 110 has KHUMO Road Venture MT's on it in 33 x 12.5 x R15 LT on 15" alloys that have extra offset.

They are directonal so are not that loud on the road ( not that it matters on a defender) but it dosent seem wallow around like my patrol with bighorns used to on the road.

off the road they are like nothing else i have ever used and just grip on anything, nice big side biters aswell.

Cheers

I had a set of the Khumos when they were first released fitted to my rangie, agree with your comments, but also found they wear reasonably quickly. They were also slightly under stated size. But would more than likely get them again because they were brilliant offroad.

Changed to MTZ's for a touring trip. Mixed feelings about them, handle most things quite well. They are wearing much better than the khumo's. Wet weather handling on road is very good - I missed hitting the idiot that pulled out in front then stopped:eek: although I did end up beside her partially on the footpath. Don't like that rocks etc get caught in the tread because its a V shape between the lugs. I imagine that as they wear out they will become less effective as the space between the lugs becomes less due to the V shape. Quite a few members of our club have them fitted to 110's.

Next I'm going to try Federal Couragia M/T on the 110. Several of the club members have them. They are reasonably priced and have nice open tread pattern.

[rick130]

So what you got on the 130 Rick and why??

255/85 762 Big Horns, 'cause they're cheaper than BFG MT's :p

The Big Horns are fine, a bit softer in the sidewall (I need to run more pressure than I did with the BFG's) but I suspect the BFG's had a bit more directional stability.

I don't (or didn't) like 235/85 Bridgestone MT's.
It felt like they had too hard a compound, they'd slide around on wet/greasy bitumen at the drop of a hat, but Bridgestone may have changed the compound in the last eight years.
The BFG's and Maxxis tyres were a huge improvement on and off road.

[bond]

Any idea on new tyre types coming out in 255/85? (doesn't have to be available in AU)

Current list of 255/85 (any others to add?)

Toyo M55
Toyo Open Country MT
Cooper Discoverer S/T
BFG MT
Maxxis Bighorn
Dunlop Grandtrek M/T
Eldorado/Tempra Trailcutter Radial R/T
Remington Mud Brute
Mastercraft Courser M/T
Trxus M/T
Interco Thornbird

any other recommendations for a tall narrow tyre (around ~33")

having a hard time finding aggressive 8.25-16

[chops110]

Well after much research and a whole lot of umming and ahhing, I eventually went for a set of 265/75/16 BFG MT KM2's. They are a good fit on the factory "boost" alloy wheel and they look great too :D.

I also use the 'Fender as a kid transporter and on Tassie's west coast we have lots of wet and slippery bitumen as well as plenty of mud and clay. So far the BFG's have been great on and off road, although they are new and they may not be so good once they've worn in a bit.

My only problem is that the Financial Controller has instructed me to sell the near-new General Grabbers (4 have done 5,000kms, 1 never used) to offset the cost of the new BFG's.....

Cheers

Chops

[windsock]

I have used Maxxis 235/85/16 Bighorns for some 10000km now and I am now noting some things that are interesting (to me at any rate).

The compound is softer than I expected. On road the grip is better than expected on wet, dry and gravel roads.

In the bouldery rock river beds the grip is good but the slime at this time of the year will still trap the truck in larger rocks.

From the broken 'rotten' rock found in the hills here, there are some cuts and nicks appearing in the lugs whereas the last tyres were good.

In the silty mud found in these parts and in the clay elsewhere they perform as expected (great :cool:) and any issues I have are forgotten by the time I get to the other side of the mud.

Treads were 15mm deep when new, 10000 km later I am at 12.5mm in a 110 flat deck. This is a higher wear rate than I was expecting. Daily driven appox 30km round trip to work and back. Regular offroad excursions fishing so sees rocky rivers and rough rocky and muddy tracks. Averages 65km per day over a six month period. Several trips over this period have seen between 600-800kg weight in the trayback as it was firewood gathering time. Each firewood trip sees on and off road hard work. At this rate of wear and for the jobs I expect from the truck I am estimating between 35000-55000 km of use before they will need replacing. Not quite as high as what I was hoping for. I hope they remain a well priced tyre!

[disco2hse]

I don't (or didn't) like 235/85 Bridgestone MT's.
It felt like they had too hard a compound, they'd slide around on wet/greasy bitumen at the drop of a hat, but Bridgestone may have changed the compound in the last eight years.

When I retyred last year I couldn't afford the BFGs and went for the Bridgestone MTs D671. Have been well pleased with their off-road performance in grass, sand, and mud. They must have changed their compounds because I have not found any problems on-road in the wet.

[numpty]

Well after much research and a whole lot of umming and ahhing, I eventually went for a set of 265/75/16 BFG MT KM2's. They are a good fit on the factory "boost" alloy wheel and they look great too :D.

I also use the 'Fender as a kid transporter and on Tassie's west coast we have lots of wet and slippery bitumen as well as plenty of mud and clay. So far the BFG's have been great on and off road, although they are new and they may not be so good once they've worn in a bit.

My only problem is that the Financial Controller has instructed me to sell the near-new General Grabbers (4 have done 5,000kms, 1 never used) to offset the cost of the new BFG's.....

Cheers

Chops

Pity you're across the moat, as I'd be interested in those.:(

[NOZ]

Got to test the new Bighorns (255/85 16) this weekend both on road and off and I was pretty impressed. On the total 6 hour round trip on tarmac, some in the wet, they were fine. I didnt notice any difference to the AT they replaced apart from a slight hum at higher speeds. Certainly nothing too loud.

On rock and in mud they were great. I got myself bogged once and discovered that these tyres can dig! A good thing when there is hard stuff to dig down to but not so great when it is soft all the way down! Pretty quickly they had nearly burried themselves (still running 32psi at this point!:(). Nothing a my friend with a winch couldnt solve though!

All in all impressed with the performance and they do make the car look a lot meaner too!

Hi, Is your Defender on standard suspension ? If so do your 255's foul the guards on full articulatuon ?

[lardy]

After much a-do I decided to celebrate 300,000 with some Toyo's aggressive enough for this country I reckon (sand and shail) time will tell.
All I know is for a real apprasail of a tyre ask a plumber! obviously tyre fitters are just flogging the product they run, I went for the touch scenario they felt firm yay!!

[lardy]

Dunlop produce a similarly aggresive tyre to the khumo, very similar sidewall with kevlar in it ....maybe incase stones start shooting at you

[lndrvrboy]

hey what does every 1 think would be the best rock tyre but still good enough on raod?

[NOZ]

in what size ? 35" ?

[lndrvrboy]

yeah

[Psimpson7]

If running road compounds

1. BFG Krawlers - if you can get them
2. Maxxis Trepador radials

[flagg]

Hi, Is your Defender on standard suspension ? If so do your 255's foul the guards on full articulatuon ?

Depending on your offset, 255's will fit well. I'm running them on a standard height county with disco 1 rims. I modded the rims to have a 20mm offset and the 255's fit under the original flares, don't rub on max articulation or full lock.

IMHO the 255/85 Km/2 is the perfect mud tire for a defender ( / county)

[Benny_IIA]

I had 255 km2s on my last defender on 16x8 rims with -25 offset.

and they rubbed on the rear spring perch on full flex

[mattmac]

anyone heard of or used summit tyres- can get some for a good price but hoping to get some feedback first.

[DieselDan]

Yeah I've got Summit Mudhogs as a second set for my D1.
They're very similar pattern to the wrangler MTRs that you get with new Defenders. Only much cheaper I imagine!
Never had mud tyres before so can't really offer any comparisons, but they've made several trips to the Vic high country and the Pyrenees with no problems.
Bit noisy on road (compared to the BFG A/Ts that are normally fitted) but they bag out really well at lower pressures and got me everywhere I wanted to go, so I've no complaints.

There was another thread in the modifiedzone and another user, manchild21000, had used them too and was very positive about them.

[Tote]

Did some thread archaeology since I'm getting new Tyres for the 130. My specs are as follows:

MY2016 130 with Zu wheels, stock suspension
Primary Role - Farm vehicle, including bitumen and gravel trip from home to the farm, towing and carrying at max payload sometimes.

Secondary role - 4wd Tourer and offroad

A picture in touring mode on Macfarlaines Track in the High Country

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Tyre History
Originally supplied with 235/85-16 MTRs on Wolf Rims, only got about 30,000KM out of them
Replaced with Hankook 265/75-16s on the ZU rims - these have about 50,000KM on them now and I've been reasonably happy with them but they are prett noisy when they are doing a long run on bitumen and the rears have chipped pretty badly on the run out to the farm.


Tyre Criteria:

Must be muddies or very agressive AT's, there seem to be a few hybrid MT/AT tyres around these days and they might make a reasonable compromise. Must be as quiet as possible on long bitumen trips when the familty complain that they can't hear themselves think. (yes I know it's a Defender)


Where I've got to with my list of Cantidates so far:


I've been pricing a few locally as well as looking at the online sellers, below are the prices I've found. All tyres are 265/75-16


BFG KM3 119 $272.00 Supercheap online

Toyo Open Country MT 119 $248.00 Supercheap online


Kumho RoadVenture KL71 $251.00 Tyresales


Maxxis RAZR MT772 ~$330.00 Local Quote


Toyo Open Country RT $288.00 Supercheap


Mickey Thompson ATZ P3 $~340.00 Local quote

I should add that the Supercheap prices don't include fitting and Tyresales do

I really like the Mickeys and reckon they would be a good fit with my needs, SWMBO has had two sets of STZ on her Wrangler and they transfomed the vehicle, but I can't justify the price compared to what I've found online.


At this point I'm heavily leaning towards the KM3 from what I'e read online, does anyone have any thoughts?


Regards,
Tote



Regards,
Tote

[Floydo]

Another option Goodyear Wrangler MT's or duratrac's. Happy with my Toyo AT3's. Next time the Toyo MT's. I use my 96 130 for farm and touring as well.

[DiscoMick]

I had thought BFGs were top tyres. However, the BIL fitted BFGs to his 80 before his recent 30,000 km round Oz trip, got two punctures and is looking for something else. Mind you, his truck was grossly overloaded and got flogged, so his experience may not be typical.

[karlz]

Replying to Tote who resurrected this thread.
(Motocross rider here).

The obvious.
You either want sand, mud, rock or snow tyres.
Everything else in between is a "sad" compromise.

Reading your summary, you dont want mud.
You need AT's. It will fit your criteria better.

[Tote]

I ended up with the BF Goodridge KM3
Initial thoughts are that they do have a bit of a whine but they are considerably quieter than the Hankooks, steering is lighter as well. We'll see how they age....

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Regards,
Tote

[scarry]

I ended up with the BF Goodridge KM3
Initial thoughts are that they do have a bit of a whine but they are considerably quieter than the Hankooks, steering is lighter as well. We'll see how they age....

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Regards,
Tote

Had numerous sets,over 20yrs,but in AT.One puncture,a large Tech screw,so not bad.I will keep using them.
One son has had the KM2,and KM3,found them noisy,but no other issues at all,on a Puma.
You will find they seem to harden with age,and therefore eventually lose some grip on the back top in wet weather.But this usually happens when they get about 5 yrs old or older,and are possibly worn out anyway,depending on the K's you will be doing.