Its dead i think

[steve_35]

So i found out why my discovery WAS overheating after it died

Apparently the thermostat housing has a metal ring that goes in between the housing and the thermostat witch holds the thermostat in the manifold when its bolted together if its not there it just rattles around

So i found out when the truck picked me up off the side of the road this afternoon you might of heard me swearing in Melbourne and the driver was a Discovery owner i explained what had happened with the over heating prior to cooking itself to death and he new straight away he just squeezed the radiator hose and jingle jingle it went

I didnt even think of it on the way to work i only noticed after it started pinging and farting and now it runs on one cylinder or close blows a little blue smoke and a little black it leaks from the head gasket and rattles like a toy


So now i need a reco motor ASAP im in Corowa near Albury i dont mind paying frieght from anywhere

If you know a good cheap engine supplier please email me or post or pm

stevol@optusnet.com.au

[HBWC]

what motor landy come whith more than one type

[steve_35]

It has the V8 petrol engine its a 93 model

And i have only had it 2 weeks

[steve_35]

While im at it

What is the story with 3.9 4.0 4.6 engines

Is it possible to just use a 4.6 long motor with my efi gear
Same question for the others

I have been reading around and it is a little confusing some people say its the same block with different heads others say the block is bigger

[Tank]

While im at it

What is the story with 3.9 4.0 4.6 engines

Is it possible to just use a 4.6 long motor with my efi gear
Same question for the others

I have been reading around and it is a little confusing some people say its the same block with different heads others say the block is bigger
I have a late model 4L block (crossbolted mains) and (10 bolt) heads with the 3.5L timing cover, dissy, coil and the full 3.5 EFI system, goes like a blur, Regards Frank.

[101RRS]

It has the V8 petrol engine its a 93 model

And i have only had it 2 weeks

93 models had two V8s - the later 3.5s or the early 3.9s - which is it?

Garry

[steve_35]

3.5

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

93 should be 3.9. The 3.5 was long gone by then.....

Cheers

Andrew

[steve_35]

I did a search for engine id numbers

Mine is a 23d08606d and as best as i can tell its 3.5

I am no expert and probably wrong if i am let me know now so i dont buy the wrong engine

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Getvthe VIN number and check it with a dealer. They will be able to give you the original engine number. Rego papers should also have this info too.
I have a list of engine codes, just not handy at the moment.

[rovercare]

93 should be 3.9. The 3.5 was long gone by then.....

Cheers

Andrew

Disco, not RR, Disco's just starting getting 3.9's in 93;)

[Tank]

I did a search for engine id numbers

Mine is a 23d08606d and as best as i can tell its 3.5

I am no expert and probably wrong if i am let me know now so i dont buy the wrong engine
Mine is a 93 Disco and the original motor was a 3.5L and the previous 93 Disco was also a 3.5L, the 3.9's had 3.9 cast into the top of the plenum chamber, the 3.5's had no numbers just lines, Regards Frank.

[101RRS]

93 should be 3.9. The 3.5 was long gone by then.....

Cheers

Andrew

Not so - the 3.9 only came out in the last quarter of 93 as the 94MY.

Garry

[nzlandies]

Just put a 3.9 in anyway. It does not matter what it has or had if its not worth keeping. Its a good chance for an upgrade.

[Landover]

Did you see in the engine section of Markets Clive22 has a 3.5 for free. It might get you going for the time being. I think it came out of a 1985 Fender, I don' know the compatablity though.

Cheers, David.

[steve_35]

No i am going to find a complete running efi motor second hand and just rebuild it myself

If i could find a bigger than 3.5 complete setup to rebuild and bolt in i would do that

The prices i have been quoted from some places make me think that they are on Crack or something

[Tombie]

I'd suggest dropping in a new 4.6 bottom end :cool:

[steve_35]

yep that would be nice

i just dont know enough to do that
Does it just bolt in replace the one thats there

[nzlandies]

yep that would be nice

i just dont know enough to do that
Does it just bolt in replace the one thats there

Check out this site. It explains everything you need to do.

Tuning the Rover V8 (http://www.mez.co.uk/TuningTheRoverV8-pt6.html)

[Sly]

We replaced the 3.9, rad and other replacables under the bonnet last year. All up including labour cost $6000.

[steve_35]

I did a bit of phone surfing today with some interesting results

If i compare everything to the two expensive prices for a reco motor
Repco 4600+1200 deposit
OR
The place that was going to buy it from repco and charge a markup he said around 6000 fitted but he didnt mention if my block was stuffed that would be an extra 1200

1X second hand low k Holden EFI V8 out of a VS commodore with trans and all the dangly bits 1500-2500 depending on witch place i go to


Add the Marks conversion kit and it is still cheaper than a reco stocky

The bonus of converting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I will never have to pay stupid prices to fix the engine again it will never drop a liner or some funky disaster that ive never heard of before
i can replace the entire trany and motor for around 2000 anywhere any time and i dont need a rover expert to do it

I am seriously considering it i like a light car for steering but ill live with it and im no led foot so its not going to break Much

[Blknight.aus]

or get a second hand rover v8 which will bolt straight in for say $1kish.

[steve_35]

If i could find a rover 3.5 same as mine not the carby version with some sort of warranty for $1000 id buy it

But for $1000 theirs no warranty and ill be back in this spot quick smart and spending more money

I have seen a few for sale here and on ebay some are dissmantled some complete and you know exactly whats happened they bought a new or reco motor to replace the one that they are selling now cause it was stuffed slap a head gasket in it maybe a set bearings and make out like its a good motor

You know the add (new ring new bearings new head gasket)

Thats code for its a crapper

[nzlandies]

Why are you so resistant to replacing the motor with a good complete 3.9? The Holden motor will be a spiral and is not worth the ****ing about, if like you say you are no lead foot. Maybe if you needed big power for some reason, start to consider it, MAYBE. The 3.9 has been done so many times as a simple and cost effective upgrade. No conversion plates, no plumbing, no electrical issues. It will look stock and be as simple as stock to maintain. There is good one with warranty on ebay now, which you have been given link to, which would be perfect. It also makes no sense to me that you assume you will spending $5000 again in a few months either, unless you feel that people selling old Holdens are more trustworthy than those who Land Rovers. IMHO.

[steve_35]

Because its not possible to replace it with a good one

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250577147196&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123


Need i say more same price as the one you mentioned roughly

[PAT303]

The reason why people are telling you just to replace your engine with a S/H 3.5 is because that is the best option,they are cheap and available so fit one and reco your old one if it is possible and refit at a later date.The holden engine is a minefield of problems and it's not a drop in and drive away,and if you think that it will be more reliable if you boil it like the original you are living in dream land.You are turning a simple engine swap into a drama. Pat

[steve_35]

So what about a GMH engine and GMH transmission becomes unreliable

If the transfer case is the only thing that can break its ok ill change that to

Im pretty sure im not going to break anything else **** they fit 5.0 motors to hilux's and they don't come with EFI v8 from factory

From what i have been reading it is pretty much a bolt in conversion all the bits are supplied


No more complicated than fitting a 308 in a LC torana

[101RRS]

You seem to have made your mind up and are not wanting to listen to the good advice provided here - so just go and do it.

Garry

[steve_35]

Not at all

Im just putting up reasonable reasons why its an option

Up to now people are saying no dont do it but no body has said hay look here is a good engine supplier for a rover V8

They have just said they would go get a wrecker motor

But as i have said i don't have that option if i break down its a big hassle not just a tow round the corner

So i need either a reco motor or a viable alternative

All this is just ideas and i really haven't decided what ill do till i talk to the local mechanic on Tuesday if he wants to rebuild mine and just send it all out for machining and put it together i will probably do that

BUT i would like to know all the options before i cough out big money on anyhting

But i don't want to pay around 5000 for a reco motor

From what ive read on this site these engines have known serious problems
I have never heard of a slipped liner in my life on a holden motor i have seen rods poking out all strange places but never heard of that one

[bee utey]

I've heard horror stories about the 5.7 Holden engine too. Doesn't mean that all 5.7's are bad, nor do a few horror stories mean that the 3.5/3.9 is bad. A well maintained 3.5/3.9 will last for 300 to 400 000 km without too much trouble. If you get a second hand engine from a crashed wreck you will likely do quite well. And it bolts in legally without any fuss. Whereas a 5.7 conversion is not a 5 minute job, you will need exhausts, mounts, ECU's, adaptor kits, probably a radiator upgrade, engineering approval. Not the cheaper option at all.

[steve_35]

Sorry everyone i may have got my 2 threads crossed

First thread was engine alternatives for my Discovery
Second was anyone know a good supplier

If my answer to you post doesn't seem to make sense now you know why

[101RRS]

They have just said they would go get a wrecker motor

But as i have said i don't have that option if i break down its a big hassle not just a tow round the corner



You will not go a rover used motor but will go a holden used motor and then pay heaps to get it all modified to go in.

Seems as if you have made up your mind.

Why not pull your current heads and see exactly what you have done or have not done with your current engine - they are tough and most likely you have just blown a head gasket and maybe warped a head a bit - a few days work and a head gasket set and other bits is less than $150 and some of your time. You want a to get a Rover that will go straight in but are prepared to use a different engine that will not go straight in. To put in a different type of engine is going to take a hell of a lot longer, a lot more hassle, and then you have to get the lot engineered.

What is wrong with this
LAND ROVER DISCOVERY MOTOR V8 3.9 - eBay V8 Engines, Engines, Components, Car Parts, Accessories, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 25-Feb-10 13:54:30 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-MOTOR-V8-3-9_W0QQitemZ290402938749QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_P arts_Accessories?hash=item439d5d2f7d)

or this
Part Specials - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=5&parent2id=15)

or this
3.9V8 long motor - Used Parts - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=5&parent2id=14&productid=38)

The rover engines are around for about the same pricing as you have found holden engines.

Garry

[PAT303]

The only reason the 3.5's slip liner's is because of boiling,it's all BS anyway because any engine that is boiled is stuffed. Pat

[steve_35]

At last someone that can see my point my motor is more than likely stuffed and i am possibly up for 5000

The motors that garrycol are good ideas but apart from the fact there both in other states its not really what looking at
what happens if i do have a prob with either of them engines

I drive it QLD or SA to get it fixed Im in Albury a long way from them

Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=5&parent2id=15) did have a new short motor but that was 3250 and its sold if my heads were ok i may have just bought that problem solved properly

1 pair brand new big valve heads, high flow, latest spec heads. $1450 same place

Thats why i dont want to pay 5000 for a reco new is almost the same price im pretty sure i could get new head castings with warrenty for 2000 from somewhere just a guess

[nzlandies]

Seriously, just wreck your truck for parts and buy another one!

[steve_35]

Already thought of that

i will be buying something like this if its not worth fixing

1996 Land Rover Discovery V8I 4X4 Green 4sp A Wagon - eBay, Passenger Vehicles, Cars, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 04-Mar-10 14:46:10 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170415637695&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

And keep this one for spares

[Tank]

Don't forget that the Holden boat anchor is 100kgs+ heavier than the all alloy Rover, so you will have to modify suspension and brakes to pass engineering ticket, Regards Frank.

[nzlandies]

Already thought of that

i will be buying something like this if its not worth fixing

1996 Land Rover Discovery V8I 4X4 Green 4sp A Wagon - eBay, Passenger Vehicles, Cars, Cars, Bikes, Boats. (end time 04-Mar-10 14:46:10 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170415637695&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

And keep this one for spares

So for 4 grand you can get a whole car 3 years newer than yours 3.9 instead of 3.5 etc with 90 odd ks and you will probably not get change out of that even if you go for a cheap fix. Its a no brainer!

[steve_35]

As i said im just exploring options

And that doesn't look like a bad option

[Tank]

As i said im just exploring options

And that doesn't look like a bad option
If you're in the market for a new car, my 93 disco 4L V8 Auto is for sale, engine only has 30,000klms on it, Alloy B/Bar, Alloy wheels, ARB rear bar, extractors, 2 1/2" sports exhaust, tinted windows, Pink Slip, 6 months Rego, many other extras, Regards Frank.

[steve_35]

Post a pic or 2

Always open to ideas

[Tank]

Post a pic or 2

Always open to ideas
It is the Disco at the rear, my son forgot to lock the centre diff, that's why I look so ****ed off, after having hooked it up to the tow rope, all he had to do was lock the centre diff and he drove straight out, will have some more pics next week, Regards Frank.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/137.jpg

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Disco, not RR, Disco's just starting getting 3.9's in 93;)
Ahhh... Disco...... I knew that..... :angel:

[steve_35]

So i have decided to fit a wrecker Engine

I had a good look at it yesterday and it appears that this is not the original engine

Underneath almost every bolt has a yellow texta mark as if someone wanted to make sure nothing had been messed with or moved

I believe this is common practice for car yards to mark every part on a second hand 4WD to make sure someone doesn't buy it strip and change there mind and take it back before the 7 day cool off period


The only parts that are not marked are the engine bolts trans bolts and transfer case bolts and some are not even thier sump bolts are missing hoses not hung properly

So i have decided to pull the whole lot out and replace it with Wrecker stuff and rebuild the stuff that come out

Talk about sucker

I must have it tattooed on my forehead


Thanks for all the comments