Rear Snatch Points on Puma 110 Wagon

[Allan]

I am wondering where I can fit snatch points to the rear of my Puma. I have a block for the tow hitch but am thinking of fitting a portable winch there to retrive the boat trailer from the beach when its very soft. Could also be handy if I'm stuck. Any help would be great. Thanks

Allan

[solmanic]

The towbar should be all you need. It's attached to the chassis with tons of bolts designed to spread load over a wide area. Just make sure the pin is rated for shock loads. You can put in a tongue with a recovery shackle or just put the rated pin through the loop at the end of the strap.

The rear cross member is as soft as butter so any other points would have to be attached back to the rails somehow.

[jddisco200tdi]

I think you could remove the tiedown brackets and replace them with Jate Rings, similar to what can be done at the front.

Regards

John D - Defender 110 2.4

[isuzurover]

I think you could remove the tiedown brackets and replace them with Jate Rings, similar to what can be done at the front.

Regards

John D - Defender 110 2.4

Personally I wouldn't. I can't understand the popularity of jate rings. This is from another forum:

I can personally attest to the inadvisability of pseudo JATE rings as recovery attachments. A brand new one on the front of a friend's RR broke (in a mild recovery) and smashed through the rear windscreen of my RRC. Only some stuff in the rear that caught them probably saved me from decapitation. I just got showered with glass. The genuine ones might be okay, if used (paired) with a bridal rope, but I'd rather use something else.

Even if you connect them to a bridle, you cannot ensure that one will not be taking most of the load during a recovery. They are also much harder to access on a bogged vehicle than the receiver hitch.

On top of that they also attach to the chassis at one point - unlike a tow bar which attaches in at least 3 places on most land/range rovers, using much larger/stronger bolts and attachment points.

[Allan]

Personally I wouldn't. I can't understand the popularity of jate rings. This is from another forum:


Even if you connect them to a bridle, you cannot ensure that one will not be taking most of the load during a recovery. They are also much harder to access on a bogged vehicle than the receiver hitch.

On top of that they also attach to the chassis at one point - unlike a tow bar which attaches in at least 3 places on most land/range rovers, using much larger/stronger bolts and attachment points.

Thanks for the imfo. I'll use the bar I think

Allan

[Blknight.aus]

if you have the ARB one it has two eyelets on the end of the bar that are rated to about 3t each from memory.

while thats enough for a light snatch or a light anchor point I would suggest investing in an equalising strop or skoval thats about 6-8m long so that you can use both points and equally distribute the force over the back end.

[isuzurover]

if you have the ARB one it has two eyelets on the end of the bar that are rated to about 3t each from memory.

while thats enough for a light snatch or a light anchor point I would suggest investing in an equalising strop or skoval thats about 6-8m long so that you can use both points and equally distribute the force over the back end.

Umm - those eyelets are probably weaker than Jate rings, and the OP mentioned REAR not front.

You OK Dave??? You don't seem to be quite with it these days???

[dullbird]

I'm not saying use them on the rear instead of a tow bar as I think a tow bar is very strong..

but we have jate rings on the front of both our defenders and the ones on the 90 have been there for YEARS!! and they have been used a lot not just for our own recovery but for other peoples as well, and I know many people that have used them without any issues what so ever...

[Killer]

Umm - those eyelets are probably weaker than Jate rings, and the OP mentioned REAR not front.

You OK Dave??? You don't seem to be quite with it these days???

The way I read it Dave was talking about a Tow bar not a Bull bar.

Cheers, Mick.

[Blknight.aus]

I was. in particular the two holes in the "wings" that poke out backwards of the main bar under the rear cross member

the better point would be just pulling the hitch and sticking the eye of the strap in then pinning it.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/650.jpg

theres a blue puma kicking around amberly occasionally that has a bar that looks the same as the TJM one that I had on big red but its got an ARB sticker on it (may not be an ARB bar I havent gotten close enough to see if hes got other ARB gear fitted and they've covered the TJM label).

[isuzurover]

Ah - cheers Dave - my apologies.

[Blknight.aus]

it happens.

cheers

[mark2]

I'm not saying use them on the rear instead of a tow bar as I think a tow bar is very strong..

but we have jate rings on the front of both our defenders and the ones on the 90 have been there for YEARS!! and they have been used a lot not just for our own recovery but for other peoples as well, and I know many people that have used them without any issues what so ever...

The chassis where the front Jates mount is much thicker than the point where the rear rings mount. I have seen a rear one tear straight out during a heavy snatch.

[Izmirblue]

I too was wondering about this question, because I don't have tow equipment on the Puma and don't intend to tow any time soon. But I may need to snatch the odd Jap 4x4 out of the mud (have done for one so far!)
I used the stock eyelette at the back at the time which is obviously not advisable.
Does anyone know of any products designed to be fitted to the Defender for offroad recovery points not involving a tow bar?

[Blknight.aus]

I have seen a set of plates made up to go off of the lower control arms that provide a rear axle point. Ideal for recoverying the rover but Im not so sure about recovering others.

[SVX37]

I had the same issue. So, I went and got the tow bar fitted not long after I bought it. It gives me the potential to tow, particularly when I eventually get a Camper trailer, but in the short term, I found it to be the best solution for a recovery when adding the recovery hitch. You can't muck around with recovery points.

[dmdigital]

Where the tow bar bolts to the chassis it should be possible to make up some plates with recovery eyes for shackles like are available for the front. These could then bolt on to the same points as the towbar.

I've got a towbar so I use a recovery eye receiver.

[Izmirblue]

Having just learned that one should not use the eyes on the bull bar for a snatch recovery, what are you mentioning about the front Derek? Now that I realise I haven't got rated recovery snatch points front or back :eek:

[one_iota]

Having just learned that one should not use the eyes on the bull bar for a snatch recovery, what are you mentioning about the front Derek? Now that I realise I haven't got rated recovery snatch points front or back :eek:

I hope you didn't learn the hard way.

This how I dealt with the front:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/87778-one_iotas-front-recovery-points.html

I have a towbar on the rear and a shackle block that fits into the receiver.

[dmdigital]

Having just learned that one should not use the eyes on the bull bar for a snatch recovery, what are you mentioning about the front Derek? Now that I realise I haven't got rated recovery snatch points front or back :eek:

What Mahn's posted is another way and these are available from Gove Motors.

What I was referring to is like this (Disco pictured) : Troutbeck Sales & Services Land Rover products (http://www.troutbecksales.com/drec.htm)

The trouble you may encounter with either option is interference from the steering protection plate you have fitted. Another option is something like these mounted to the bull bar with a backing plate: OKoffroad.com Recovery Gear - XD Bumper Shackle Mounts (http://www.okoffroad.com/stuff-clevis-mount-xd.htm)

[Xtreme]

When ever I build something I like to make it multipurpose - that is why I came up with the following to serve as front recovery points, attachment points for 'A' Frame or single solid tow bar and/or front tow bar for manouvering trailers. Naturally, they take any of the standard Hayman Reece fittings so are quite universal.
Not sure how they would go regarding 'rating' but from what I can gather, no one has ever been successful in having any vehicle mounted recovery points 'rated'.
The only downside to these as far as I can see is that they are a bit high and therefore don't give much 'lift' when being recovered.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/179.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/06/1177.jpg

[Izmirblue]

Thanks all for your help. Has anyone had experience with these or know if they are "rated" or would fit on a Landy?

Recovery Point - Forged - Dolium Pty Ltd (http://www.dolium.com.au/view/page/120/item/RGTHF.html)

(PS, thankfully I did not learn the hard way not to use the bull bar eyes. read it on this forum ;))

[dmdigital]

Not sure on them, no rating visible. I think you'd be better with the hooks Mahn posted the link about.