How many km does your Puma engine have? POLL

[isuzurover]

Since the other thread has been ruined by a bunch of non Puma owners, I thought a poll may be better. Especially since we seem to have a reasonable number of Puma owners on here...

[dullbird]

I have voted 50,000+ and some engine work needed.. EDIT: oops sorry I misread there is one there for me I will see if it is possible for a super mod to change my vote

However I needed a new engine so I'm not sure whether thats acurate.

In regards to the new engine I'm a strong believe in that if something breaks or wears in your car and you dont change it, it has a knock on effect of other components whether minor or major if not dealt with....I had an issues with my car that was allowed to go on for over a year, I feel because of that this had a detrimental effect on my engine to the point where I think we would of always been chasing the knock on effect faults.

Had my fault been recognised/rectified quicker (this is not a plug at the dealer but actually land rover UK tech themselves) I feel quite possibly an engine may of not been needed.
I don't think I needed a new engine simply because the engine is ****...I just feel its an accumulation of things including the water in the fuel that caused that engine to have an endless problem:)

[Allan]

I also stated no engine problems just tune problem, that was cured by patch.

Allan

[dullbird]

My vote has been changed to reflect correctly now:)

[weeds]

who says they wont pop in hear and create havoc:angel:

[isuzurover]

who says they wont pop in hear and create havoc:angel:

They can pop in, but they only have one vote each... (so hopefully can't affect the results).

Thanks DB et al!

DB - what exactly went wrong with your engine - is there a thread on it I missed???

[dullbird]

no you remember the engine rattle that I took so long to prove.....it became a daily occurrence and would do it more than once engine started going into limp mode twice a week....it was becoming hard to drive because of this

the patch to fix only came out I think 2 weeks before my new engine then it was quarentined and then released again.
I'm glad the dealer put our case forward for the engine...(they did it without asking) as I feel that our engine had taken quite a bit of punishment due to that rattle and the water in the fuel...as I dont believe anyone had that rattle quite exteremly as we did

its still not clear exactly what was going down with the engine but it was suggested towards the end possible stuck oil jets which I think deprives the engine of oil in the first instance of starting up)..however this was not confirmed.

[kenleyfred]

26 000Km. Although a few mostly niggly warranty problems it was the replacing of the vacuum pump (very quickly and without any dramas) that put me in the 25-50 K with repairs column.
Kenley

[dmdigital]

I had the vac pump issue and also currently have a faulty EGR valve but I don't count these as show stoppers. The most significant thing engine wise would be the hole worn in the intercooler hose.

[rovercare]

I had the vac pump issue and also currently have a faulty EGR valve but I don't count these as show stoppers. The most significant thing engine wise would be the hole worn in the intercooler hose.

I must say, I find it funny how people tone down mechanical faults:D

[solmanic]

Great idea to poll this one. At least we have a chance of generating some statistical evidence on how these things are running - albeit a small statistical sample.

So far, with 14 Puma owners votes, it is mostly "no trouble" with a few "some trouble" and one engine replacement. I only know of two people on the forum anyway who have actually had to have the transplant.

[isuzurover]

Great idea to poll this one. At least we have a chance of generating some statistical evidence on how these things are running - albeit a small statistical sample.

So far, with 14 Puma owners votes, it is mostly "no trouble" with a few "some trouble" and one engine replacement. I only know of two people on the forum anyway who have actually had to have the transplant.

Well - so far it is ~1/3 who have had minor/major problems and ~7% who have had an engine replaced. However the sample size (so far) is too small to draw any rigorous conclusions.

(I wonder how the numbers would compare to a poll elsewhere on the ZD30 or the toyo V8).

[TimNZ]

My 110 has now done 63500kms, the only thing that has been replaced is the notorious vac pump.

Tim

[solmanic]

(I wonder how the numbers would compare to a poll elsewhere on the ZD30 or the toyo V8).

Perhaps someone here should go undercover and start a poll there... (http://www.lcool.org/forum/)

[PAT303]

I've always wondered why LCOOL won't allow browsing. Pat

[isuzurover]

OK - so we are up to n=28 - not too bad.

Any more???

So far the stats are that 25% of owners have had major/minor problems
3.6% have had the engine changed.

It was mentioned that there was someone else on here who had the engine changed?

[Brid]

Mine had an engine replacement at 83,000kms (oil jet issue). I was lucky that the dealer was able to witness the rattle on the 3rd morning in their yard, so the engine was swapped out...otherwise, I probably wouldn’t get an opportunity for it to play up again till next winter. After I made a low power complaint with the new engine, they upgraded the engine software, and its going well now.

It’s had a lot of warranty work, like many others, and apart from being on its second engine, it’s got its 3rd clutch, 2nd front prop shaft (no sign of wear, but it lost a grease nipple), 2nd rear diff (slight whine), 3rd set swivel seals (slight leak), and plenty of smaller stuff.

That is a lot of stuff and pretty unacceptable, even though most was minor and probably not likely to fail for a long time. I am pretty fussy, and am always looking for something not right, so there may be more stuff done under warranty than other Pumas. Despite the long list of warranty work performed, it has never bailed me up, and it’s done 2 x VIC High Country trips and a Simpson, which was pretty tough on it.

I am firmly of the opinion that LR do their R&D work with Defenders after they are released on the market, and when you consider the small production runs, they probably couldn’t justify it any other way! So my goal is to get it all sorted before the warranty expires, as I want to keep it long term. It does a great job for what it was designed for, I thoroughly enjoy driving it, and I have almost run out of projects and accessories for my needs…at least for the time being.

Regards
Brid

[isuzurover]

n = 35 now

31.4% of owners have had minor/major problems.
5.7% have had the engine changed.

[clean32]

Pitty we doint have the numbers for tdi, td5 etc

[JohnR]

Just about to click over 60k and no real drama's :D

And LR look after it real well for me, very happy with their service.

And no I don't work for them :p

Cheers,

[all4fun]

Have been looking for a TD5 and was thinking of stretching the budget to a new Puma, this thread has put me off that idea I think Ill get a low km TD5 and let you guys be the LR R&D bunnies and get one in a couple of years where there soughted.

[PAT303]

Pitty we doint have the numbers for tdi, td5 etc

Well start the thread and lets vote. Pat

[one_iota]

The Tdi has been raised before but unfortunately the poll component expired:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/27192-tdi-longevity.html

Go for it but remember that Tdi and the Td5 covered both Discos and Defenders not llike the Puma. So the statistics gathered in the Defender section will not be truly representative.

[one_iota]

Have been looking for a TD5 and was thinking of stretching the budget to a new Puma, this thread has put me off that idea I think Ill get a low km TD5 and let you guys be the LR R&D bunnies and get one in a couple of years where there soughted.

There is much more to the Puma engined Defender than the engine...:p;)

Remember that the question was about the motor and not the package. The package is a arguably a superior one......and besides by the time you want to buy a new perfect Defender there will not be one.;)

Like everything LR when everything is sorted they change it ....which is why you can't buy a new Series I II III, County, 200Tdi 300Tdi or Td5 and all the combinations in between.

And where is the fun in that?

:D

[isuzurover]

JohnR's post made me remember this thread.

We ended with n=47.

74% have had no problems

26% have had problems

4% have needed engine replacement

Maybe it is time for an updated poll?

[muddys1]

mines just clicked over 10,000 ks, and all good can't complain
:)

cheers
muddy

[Loubrey]

16,000km in 17 months without a single warranty issue. The wife's work is 1.5 km from home hence the low kiliometers, but we have done a few 2000km + trips in the WA interior. One recall on an output seal and the front door stays tightened up is all that's been done other than 6 monthly servicing.

As with all statistics, a trend is already appearing. Very few people write on forums that the car is functioning ok and all is good. People tend to discuss issues and difficulties which usually has a couple other people defending the other side of the coin.

Lets hope we get good representation from Puma owners and finally put the mith of an overall unreliable car to rest.

[PAT303]

I'll vote after Xmas,I'm doing the Gun Barrel,Great Central over and back and we've just bought a camper so it'll bring up any issue's. Pat

[The Cone of Silence]

I just knocked over 93,500 and the only probelm I've had since I took delivery at 92,000 ha sbeen the commonrail valve. Went into limp mode and was then fine. Going in for valve replacement next week as part of the final warranty expiring work!

Love Defenders, me.

[newhue]

Have been looking for a TD5 and was thinking of stretching the budget to a new Puma, this thread has put me off that idea I think Ill get a low km TD5 and let you guys be the LR R&D bunnies and get one in a couple of years where there soughted.

sure a defender is for you, don't sound very adventurous.

[newhue]

30 000klm in 12 months, my problem is I'll wear the thing out, can't see it lasting 20 years

[stig0000]

im pleased to anounce wev allmost gone a hole 2 months with out a engine change:D:D

at least there starting to just come in for just servicing, and countless recalls for the park brake,

oh theres a new UPS saying we need to check to make sure the diffs had oil in them;);) did they run out of oil in the uk or sumthing, only on a defender:angel:

[Tomo]

Only VAC pump and EGR replaced, 47K on the clock
I had a brain fade and thought the car had done 58K and voted 50K + and some problems........ Woops

[PAT303]

30 000klm in 12 months, my problem is I'll wear the thing out, can't see it lasting 20 years

Keep the servicing up to it and it'll be fine,it's working for my Tdi. Pat

[ant_schomacker]

I'm another one with 33,000 in about 13 months... only problem is nearest dealership is close to 1200km each way :(

[JohnR]

100,000kms :) All fine no drama's apart from the vac pump :)

[Nera Donna]

15,000k’s - Front timing case cover seal oil leak and a mysterious engine shutdown and miss upon restarting. Service manager put it down to a loose injector lead on #4 pot??? I have my doubts. :confused:

[PAT303]

We had a D4D that wouldn't start and would stop without any warning at work and it was an injector lead that had the insolation split and going to earth,oops,I'm bagging Toyota,sorry Isuzurover. Pat

[Loubrey]

Pat, seems to be a topic for them. Too many onboard electronics to function in concert with the mine spec requirements, especially the GPS VMS (Vehicle Monitoring System) systems some sites require.

Someone mentioned earlier that its very clear that their forums don't allow browsing...

[Nera Donna]

We had a D4D that wouldn't start and would stop without any warning at work and it was an injector lead that had the insolation split and going to earth,oops,I'm bagging Toyota,sorry Isuzurover. Pat

I not 100% sure but I suspect it had something to do with the speed limiter? I only discovered its existence well after the fact. I know, I’m a naught boy, at the time I was being very heavy with the right foot. :nazilock:

[patclan]

72000k 2 years old next month and too many things to list needed/needing fixed. still love him though..

[PAT303]

Pat, seems to be a topic for them. Too many onboard electronics to function in concert with the mine spec requirements, especially the GPS VMS (Vehicle Monitoring System) systems some sites require.

Someone mentioned earlier that its very clear that their forums don't allow browsing...

We had vehicles overtaking roadtrains have the VMS cut in and drop the speed to 80 half way along them or vehicles shut down because they were driven for 2 hours without stopping leaving people stranded in the middle of bugger all,thats safety all right. Pat

[PAT303]

I not 100% sure but I suspect it had something to do with the speed limiter? I only discovered its existence well after the fact. I know, I’m a naught boy, at the time I was being very heavy with the right foot. :nazilock:

I'm supprised how easily mine gets to the limiter. Pat

[n plus one]

My 09 Puma just clicked over 62k with no major dramas.

Got a list of crappy little warranty items to be fixed longer than my arm (dicky door lock solenoid, rattley gear knob, etc) and the egr is getting a bit squeaky, but that's it.

[dullbird]

107,000k last time I looked;)

[BigBlueOne]

Thread resurrection!!!

2012 90 - just done 100,000km. No engine issues, only a split hose and rattly clutch plate to date.

[jackdef90]

82000 few clutches (seem to have that sorted now), rear diff pinion bearing, transfer case shims, and I replaced the injector sealing copper washers.

Since upgrading the rear axles I've stopped worrying about the driveline noises and play only get slack and rough gear changes when offroad Cdl is engaged ( I believe this is generally pretty normal with defenders due to the transmission windup with shafts locked together ?? Am I right)

I'm pretty happy with the 2.4 it's so good offroad compared to other 4x4s I've had, but you do have to keep on top of things

[PAT303]

Mines passed 130,000km's,the only engine problem it's had was the egr being stuck open but it's fixed itself and does the chukka chukka with gusto once again. Pat

[patclan]

72000k 2 years old next month and too many things to list needed/needing fixed. still love him though..

Wow 72k that feels a long time ago, 6.5 yrs old 185k now, still going strong. EGR is knackered but have a map to keep it closed, bit of black smoke as I have a split in the intercooler, Allisport are sending a replacement even though it is 6 yrs old, now that is service!

[protonpills]

11 months old and coming up for first service and only has 2,700km on the clock

[Baytown]

2012, 90,000kms and I have clutch rattle. Time for a new HD clutch.Ken

[digger]

Only one engine change but then that one was taken in an out three times and then the replacement was removed twice then pulled it down and put a new oil pump in. They replaced the turbo I'm on my fourth one, they've replaced the whole cooling system they replaced the injectors, airconditioning and radiator, intercooler, and the list goes on... There is a thread about it! A long thread ....

[labrado]

MY09, engine swapped at 113,000 km. overheating by unknown cause

[karlz]

Clutch rattle at 10k on a 2015. No other issues.

[Chops]

Now at <150K, Clutch rattle on purchase, but not rectified until 80K.
Two ECU's swapped out, and due to this, injector problems, which I ended up getting pilot programmed myself through dyno work, at around 80K as well.

[MrLandy]

The 25% of non puma owners significantly skews the results and shouldn't be included as a percentage.

As such the 13% who have had engine problems is more like 20%, which seems high to me. Maybe a disproportionate number with problems have done the survey compared to those without?

What do manufacturers see as an acceptable % of engine problems?

[TimNZ]

To skew things back the other way, I've had 4 pumas, but can only vote once....

2008 2.4, 80,000k's, vac pump
2010 2.4, 110,000k's Um, rear door central lock failed....
2013 2.2, 70,000k's, Gearbox/Transfer box coupling replaced as a precaution
2015 2.2, 40,000k's Clutch on delivery

Cheers,

[POD]

230,000km. Broken wire on the wastegate actuator put it into limp mode. Had a split turbo hose. Not complaining.

[David Black 90]

MY13 now with around 3,2000Kms on the clock. Dealer changed the oil pump for free due to Ford's Recall-.-no other major problems. Always have little noise from the brake paddle and some other parts, but I never worry about them. Because it is a Land Rover and Land Rover should always have problems or it's abnormal. Haha:D:D

[debruiser]

I've got 59000ish km on my 2013, other than recalls for turbo hoses which I dont count, no issues todate.

Are we counting clutches???? I had a new one at about 50000km i think it was.

[Avago]

2013, 110, 30,000km Turbo hose (different to recall), gearbox seal, rear door lock, 2 x door arms, leaking front windscreen from delivery (repaired, still leaks). Nothing too outrageous, but low km's.

[Summiitt]

101,000 on my 2013 130. New motor @75k due to a cracked piston.

[Chops]

Oh, almost forgot, thanks for reminding Pete, I'm on my 3rd Turbo hose.

[noyakfat]

2014 model 110, delivered in April 2014.

36,027 km - to date, not a single mechanical issue.

My rear wiper stopped working recently, and I've just had to replace the left headlight globe and right parker light globe, but that's it.

Cheers,

[DiscoMick]

76,000 ks on my 2009 110 2.4.
Rear door warped (fitted wheel carrier)
Alarm kept tooting (switch under bonnet replaced)
Fuel filter failed because the previous owner hadn't had it replaced.
Currently has a squeaky pulley and a noisy EGR for the next service.
Very happy with it.

[LoveB]

march delivered 2013 defender 110. im currently at 109k km. only been on truck for turbo hose and fuel tank leak. my egr is noisy so now that its out of warranty i might get bas to disable it.


i think frogs 90 is at 190 km now lol

[Defender Defender]

Hello everyone,
I had a 2007 130 2.4 Puma dual cab that i bought with 75000 km on the clock and only sold it a month or maybe two ago with 180000 on it.
I blew a fuel pump because of bad fuel at 120000 and that is all the trouble i had with the vehicle apart from the headlight switch failing twice.
The bad fuel brought everything on the project to a halt from 30 odd utilities to dozens of items of earth-moving equipment and the camp generators, so I can't really call that an engine problem or a fault with the engine, but that is what i listed- 50000 km with engine work required.
I don't know if it gave any trouble earlier than 75000 km as it didn't appear in any documentation or notation in the log books.
All the common rail engines of every make and model did their pumps from the gunk collected after the fuel filters and the old mechanical engines required a new filter or two to be rattling happily away once more with the bad fuel episode.
I do know that when it passed 160000 km it seemed to get a new lease of life and went like a scalded cat. It also showed reliability well beyond any competitors when we were working it for about 5 months in remote Arnhem Land where dodgy fuel required a weekly change of the filter. Apart from the fuel filters and a blown air conditioning hose, it was nice to remark what it was like to have a reliable vehicle out in the boondocks as Jap after Jap fell to bits around it with a lot of them requiring a tow or tilt to Darwin. Oh what a feeling.....
I was very happy with nearly all aspects of it for the three years I had it and was pretty upset about having to sell it.

[NT5224]

Hector has been with us since 2012. Low kilometers 30,000 because we have been overseas a lot, but the Land Rover works hard in the Top End outback. No problems at all until about a month ago when a hose rubbed through under revs heading the Stuart highway. Not turbo hose, but coolant hose -draining our radiator. Replaced hose, all good and well

[Alra]

I'm in the 25-50K km range with engine repairs but it is only the turbo hoses.

Cheers,

Danial.

[Bundalene]

Our 2010 Puma has done a faultless 139.000kms to date. I made my own stainless turbo hoses / lines with silicone ends when I first bought and re-built the vehicle as I could see the originals were a piece of junk.

I did have 1 problem last year with a blown door lock fuse (located under the drivers seat - quickly sorted)




Erich

[clive22]

My 2012 has 58000 kms. So far turbo hose, oil pump (warranty recall no failure), oil cooler failed plenty of damage: all hoses inc heater matrix. Radiator tank split.
Not terrible but not good enough either. Serviced regularly

[malsgoing130]

2011 with 83000 on it no issues with motor except for coolant smell?? Since new. Lots of other bits and pieces failed. Brake master cylinder, clutch master, turbo hose, clutch, adaptor shaft( changed because of back lash at 40k), rear half shafts twice, front swivel seals, hand brake drum ............etc etc all under warranty.

Just had the transfer case rebuilt with atb new seals bearings gaskets and Steel bush on intermediate shaft. It was leaking like a sieve. Goes well now

Cheers
Mal

[DazzaTD5]

While I dont own a Defender TDCi (puma), I do look after quite a few that I have serviced since brand new (yes yes, big plug there).

on the higher end, 150K - 190K no engine issues, no water pump replacement, no turbo replacement, no egr fixes, less (if none) fuel related issues, which I've done on other TDCi models that have only come to me for repair and then servicing after the fact.

I've said this before... the Defender TDCi is by far the best Defender ever built.

Regards
Daz

P.S and also less fuel related issues such as the fuel solenoid

[ozscott]

Wow. A lot of lower k Pumas. They have been around for a while now... Come on guys drive them!! Cheers

[cuppabillytea]

45,000 Ks on my October 2013 build. No Engine problems. Yes charged Air System, apart from the turbo its self is crap but an easy fix.
I like my Puma very much.

[BigBlueOne]

A guy over on Defender2 has done 716,000km in his 2009 puma

[tact]

the original survey thread languished inactive from late 2011 until June this year. About 4.5yrs! Most of the responses were in the pre-2011 period.

Presumably all those who voted prior to end 2011 have put a few more km on their vehicles.

This needs a restart as a new thread... so all can vote anew with up to date info.

[cuppabillytea]

Good point Neil.

[MrLandy]

Yes and without the silly "I don't own a Puma but feel the need to get involved anyway" category which drastically warps the results.

[dswatts]

I spoke with a mechanic recently that had just reconditioned one at 400,000
Had done long country runs continuously

[Bess]

MY11 2.4 ltr, 110 . Just clocked over 80 k .Serviced by me every 10k with all filters. G/box, transfer & diff oils changed every 20 k ( so twice now )
Alive map upgrade at approx 10k & wheel spacers fitted at same time.
No engine or drive line issues at all. Leaks water into cab like a midget jap sub but only when it chooses? Has developed a turbo whistle under boost which I think is a clamp/ hose connection but yet to fully confirm or stop it from happening. Touch wood ! She has been a great bus so far!:D

[DiscoMick]

Transit engines do huge distances so Puma engines should last a long time if maintained properly.

Sent from my SM-G900I using AULRO mobile app

[ozscott]

It seems to be the bits that Puma motors send drive through that is the problem. Cheers