Gah! It's the Disco Sags!! (from the SLS bags!)

[Wil2k]

Great!!

I'd been trying to track this one down for a week or so.. Ever since my last service (including rear brakes - related??) my passenger rear SLS airback has been RANDOMLY deflating. It would drop down over time when parked, but fill again when driving and be at drive height. It wouldn't always do it (especially not when i wanted it to.. ) just randomly. tried parking flat, different direction slopes etc etc. Couldn't seem to trigger it.

It dropped me on the way home tonight, and I find it's a leaky bag (the ol' soapy liquid in a spray bottle trick eh?).

*insert long drawn out sigh*

That and my recent visitation from the 3 Amigos... did I buy the right car? Damn! I love this thing tho!!

Money is really tight right now.. I have a warranty but suspension is not listed, and therefore not covered. soooo...



AIRBAG MAN | Australia's No. 1 & leading Air Suspension :: Airbags :: Air Springs Specialists (http://www.airbagman.com.au) ? any thoughts? found it on a post here.
SLS riser kits.. any thoughts? (while I'm at it - cos i do like the adjustable height thing)
Springs? (cost/effectiveness comparison to SLS bags?)

Thinking of trecking down to Ricks 4x4 or up to that one a redcliff. About time i got "The Canyonero" to a Landy lover methnks.

:(

Cheers

Wil

[MickS]

After a number of bag failures, I swapped mine for springs. Very happy.

And the 3 amigos...as has been stated in other threads regarding the same issue, just start with the cheapest/lowest common denominator or fix - and through the process of elimination...you will get there. Well worth it mate. You have done the right thing.

[Brian]

Had the same problem with mine,
Here is a place where they are quite reasonable.

New Discovery Rear Air Spring Assembly. for 1998-2004 Discovery II Series (http://www.arnottindustries.com/part_LAND_ROVER_Air_Suspension_Parts_yid4_pid48_gi d159.html)

[Basil135]

There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago, with someone linking to a place in the US that did replacement air-bags.

I think it was called Truck Spares or similar...

I will go for a hunt for the post to see if I can find it...


Edit: found it...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/97653-coil-rite-air-bags-www-truckspring-com.html

[Pedro_The_Swift]

why anyone would go to coils is beyond me,,
:wasntme:



ten years is not bad for a consumable.:D

[bviking]

Just went through the same saga myself and decided to ditch the air and go to coils.

AMV in Ringwood did mine - total was just over $500 for King springs and installation. I've left the compressor and all SLS gubbins in place in case I ever decide to go back but am very happy with the coils so far.

[bviking]

... sorry also meant to mention that I found another source for the airsprings before I changes my mind: Paddock Spares in the UK.

When I was looking they had Britpart Dunlop bags at around 70 uk pounds ...

[Rosscoe68]

why anyone would go to coils is beyond me,,
:wasntme:



ten years is not bad for a consumable.:D

yeah, for some reason ppl have no problem paying for replacement springs when they sag with age, yet get all offended that a rubber spring should ever leak let alone lasting 10 years which is longer than the life if a rubber tyre.

stick with the airbags, you'll only ever have to replace them once if you get good ones to start with.

[Shamo]

Brittish Offroad on the Sunshine coast do bags for $375 each, you can replace them really easily so you don't have to worry about getting them to fit it and having to pay labour. I'm in Brissie also so i can always come over and give you a hand with it if you needed. I have just done a coil conversion from the SLS as i had a bag go. Personally I think the air bags are alot more comfortable to drive on, and are fantastic for when you pack the car up. I just wanted something reliable because i smash my underbody a fair bit and I could just see my compressor getting nailed and then having to fork out the 800 (or so?) for a new one.



Shamo

[TerryO]

Late last year I compared prices between the Arnotts bags with freight etc from the USA and local prices for bags here. They were to start off with wildly different in cost with the Yanks winning handsdown.

However I ended up buying a set of Dunlop replacement bags from the Airbag man in Queensland. I told him the price landed here for the Arnott bags and he did them with freight for around $130 extra for the set from memory. Arrived the next day to Goulburn and they were very helpful.

Now if I have any warrenty issues I just call a local not someone overseas, for the peace of mind that has got to be worth a few extra dollars as far as I'm concerned

Really its just a case of haggling to get a good price and next day service.

cheers,
Terry

[John W]

The first to go with me was a compressor at only 6 years, but I had done a fair amount of caravan work. Then one bag went and then later another. Trouble with the last one is that I was in the middle of nowhere up Cape York, and judging by things I need another new compressor. If it was just the bags then I agree no major concern but price of 2 new compressors and you get a lot of new coils!

[biggin]

The first to go with me was a compressor at only 6 years, but I had done a fair amount of caravan work. Then one bag went and then later another. Trouble with the last one is that I was in the middle of nowhere up Cape York, and judging by things I need another new compressor. If it was just the bags then I agree no major concern but price of 2 new compressors and you get a lot of new coils!

Thanks John,
You have convinced me that if/when my compressor packs up, I will be replacing the air bags at the same time.
It is likely your compressor packed up prematurely as it had been working too hard, due to an undiagnosed leak in one of your bags.
I like the SLS too much to replace it with coil springs.:D;)
Cheers,
Alan

[Wil2k]

Uh oh..

Looks like I might have fried my compressor. ($$ ouch). Been googling and eBaying.. these look hard to come by. Any suggestions?

Wil

[strangy]

Uh oh..

Looks like I might have fried my compressor. ($$ ouch). Been googling and eBaying.. these look hard to come by. Any suggestions?

Wil

Famous Four in the UK $553 AUD landed at my door. Exchange rate hasnt varied much in the last few months, so should still be close to the mark.

Cheers

[strangy]

Great!!

I'd been trying to track this one down for a week or so.. Ever since my last service (including rear brakes - related??) my passenger rear SLS airback has been RANDOMLY deflating. It would drop down over time when parked, but fill again when driving and be at drive height. It wouldn't always do it (especially not when i wanted it to.. ) just randomly. tried parking flat, different direction slopes etc etc. Couldn't seem to trigger it.

It dropped me on the way home tonight, and I find it's a leaky bag (the ol' soapy liquid in a spray bottle trick eh?).

*insert long drawn out sigh*

That and my recent visitation from the 3 Amigos... did I buy the right car? Damn! I love this thing tho!!

Money is really tight right now.. I have a warranty but suspension is not listed, and therefore not covered. soooo...



AIRBAG MAN | Australia's No. 1 & leading Air Suspension :: Airbags :: Air Springs Specialists (http://www.airbagman.com.au) ? any thoughts? found it on a post here.
SLS riser kits.. any thoughts? (while I'm at it - cos i do like the adjustable height thing)
Springs? (cost/effectiveness comparison to SLS bags?)

Thinking of trecking down to Ricks 4x4 or up to that one a redcliff. About time i got "The Canyonero" to a Landy lover methnks.

:(

Cheers

Wil

I'm with Pedro on SLS suspension.
I wouldnt change it to coils.
On air bags: I have no confidence in the US bags having had 4 out of 4 leak straight out of the box.
The Airbag Man bags are Dunlops from the UK and retail here for double the price than can be bought landed at your door ex UK in AUD. As someone here mentioned they haggled and got a better deal. I was unable to get better than $320 each + freight, so I decided that Paddoks in the UK could have my business for a pair at my door for $322 AUD. The Dunlop bag IMO, are a superior item in ride and assembly, also the push in fittings are a much better idea than the original screw in fitting. The US bags have the screw in fittings also.
If you want to lift the car and money is tight you can always install the blocks later on.

A compressor that hasnt been drowned, had the filter cleaned at proper intervals and not been subected to overheating due not replacing a leaking bag shouldnt present any issues.

Unless you do not trust O/seas suppliers, Shopping around will prove parts are not that dear and the best bit about SLS is that each bag only take about 15 mins each to change out and you can do it yourself with the most basic tool kit.

As for the amigos, Pedro here, devotes his time to the Good Oil, which will provide you with the temporary and permanent fixes to this and almost anything for your D2. Check out members with diagnostic capabilities here also, I'm sure someone would be fairly close to get your fault codes and clear them.
But for starters: Clean your earth points. If the amigos are permanently on then it is most likely a wheel sensor, if they go away with ignition reset then it is associated with the shuttle valve. Replacing the fluid will often fix the issue.


Cheers

[Rosscoe68]

Uh oh..

Looks like I might have fried my compressor. ($$ ouch). Been googling and eBaying.. these look hard to come by. Any suggestions?

Wil
reasonably priced here.
LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 2 AIR SUSPENSION COMPRESSOR (OE) - eBay, Land Rover, Car Parts, Vehicle Parts Accessories. (end time 24-Mar-10 04:18:18 AEDST) (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280428171457&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_853wt_939)

let me know when you source a compressor . i am interested in your old one, see if i can make some sense out of why these things do play up when they do.

also need to check your bags, cos really the compressor shouldnt fail if the airbags are ok.

i am now of the opinion that that the airbags should have a soapy spray over as a matter of course maybe at every oil service. as a preventative measure to pick them up when they start leaking and prevent the compressor overworking.

[Wil2k]

Thanks everyone!

The good new.. my compressor is working now. (don't want to think about WHY it wasn't):) and fingers crossed it continues to.

The expensive news: I've decided to stick with the SLS despite the immediate expense! Strangy, i wish I'd read your post about an hour ago.. just ordered 2 bags from airbagman @ $295 each with free courier delivery (they'd want to be delivering it free with THAT much price difference!).

So I can comfort myself that, despite the painful expense, I will have new bags today/tomorrow that are of a quality that may give me up to 10 years life the way I drive! :D

Decided I couldn't risk burning out the compressor, and can't do without the wheels due to kids / school running around etc etc.

Found this great post and now have the confidence to put these suckers in myself. Land Rover Zone - View Single Post - Disco II Air suspension – the definitive guide (http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/782632-post27.html)

I found the complete article here to be really useful too: Disco II Air Suspension - the definitive guide (http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f38/disco-ii-air-suspension-definitive-guide-61211.html)

Gonna go buy a trolley jack now.. I can see I'll need it again. ;)

Cheers

Wil

[strangy]

Before you buy a trolley jack (assuming you dont really want one)
If you have jack stands. Set off road height, put the stands under the chassis, then set normal road height.
The truck will lower onto the stands and you can remove the fittings and slip out the bags. Put the new ones in and after they have inflated, set off road height again, check for leaks,remove the stands and away you go.

Cheers

[Shamo]

Thanks everyone!

The good new.. my compressor is working now. (don't want to think about WHY it wasn't):) and fingers crossed it continues to.

The expensive news: I've decided to stick with the SLS despite the immediate expense! Strangy, i wish I'd read your post about an hour ago.. just ordered 2 bags from airbagman @ $295 each with free courier delivery (they'd want to be delivering it free with THAT much price difference!).

So I can comfort myself that, despite the painful expense, I will have new bags today/tomorrow that are of a quality that may give me up to 10 years life the way I drive! :D

Decided I couldn't risk burning out the compressor, and can't do without the wheels due to kids / school running around etc etc.

Found this great post and now have the confidence to put these suckers in myself. Land Rover Zone - View Single Post - Disco II Air suspension – the definitive guide (http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/782632-post27.html)

I found the complete article here to be really useful too: Disco II Air Suspension - the definitive guide (http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f38/disco-ii-air-suspension-definitive-guide-61211.html)

Gonna go buy a trolley jack now.. I can see I'll need it again. ;)

Cheers

Wil

Goodluck with it all, make sure you get the stands! jacks arnt reliable enough to hold the car for extended period of times while you do the work.

Shamo

[Wil2k]

Airbags just arrived! Along with an email delivered set of fitting instructions (always nice to have). Same day delivery is always good, pity it's raining at the moment!

One thing I'm a little unclear on however.. is that I was expecting a threaded air connection into the bag, but it has a "push-in" style connection. I asked the airbagman (well one of them anyway) and they said that if I do indeed have the threaded termination on my air line, i simply need to cut it off...

sounds like something I should be VERY careful about..

how do I cut an air line? Without crushing it out of shape, introducing sharp bits, or filling the line with debris.

Cheers

Wil

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I've used Mrs Pedro sewing scissors in the past(looks over shoulder:eek:) keep it square, should be no debris to worry about.
Push ins work great,, and can be reused,,

while you're thinking along these lines,,
why not buy a couple of push on schrader valves to keep in the car on a "just in case" basis,,
you can always use them to inflate the bags if the compressor fails,,;)

[Wil2k]

I've used Mrs Pedro sewing scissors in the past(looks over shoulder:eek:) keep it square, should be no debris to worry about.
Push ins work great,, and can be reused,,

while you're thinking along these lines,,
why not buy a couple of push on schrader valves to keep in the car on a "just in case" basis,,
you can always use them to inflate the bags if the compressor fails,,;)

(looks over shoulder and grabs the kitchen scissors... )
Awesome. For some reason I thought these would be metal lines..

Push in valves... brilliant!
:BigThumb: Pedro you're a genius! Thanks again!

[Rosscoe68]

(looks over shoulder and grabs the kitchen scissors... )
Awesome. For some reason I thought these would be metal lines..

Push in valves... brilliant!
:BigThumb: Pedro you're a genius! Thanks again!

just flimsy plastic hose. you'll be a little scared when you think of how little is holding the rear of the car off the ground. but its all good :)

[Rosscoe68]

p.s. dont forget to donate me the old bags for testing purposes. are they both definatley dead ? or are you just replacing both sides as a precaution ?

[strangy]

My goodness that was fast, I think Christmas has come early when I get something within 2 days.
But just a few hrs.................a man can dream.

[Rosscoe68]

p.p.s.
if you want to put a little more air into the bags and raise the rear slightly, and have a slightly firmer rear spring rate, i have a nanocom and can use it to raise the rear a little if you want and i am in brisbane at present.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

can you do the fronts too Rosscoe?:angel::angel::angel:;):D

[Rosscoe68]

i got a jack and a couple of chocks of wood, sure we could arrange summit :)

[Wil2k]

Pedro.. any idea where i can get said Schrader valves in oz?

Roscoe.. you're welcome to the leaky bag, i might keep the other one as an emergency spare though, it's still holding pressure well. How long are you in Bris? weather depending I'll do the bags tomorrow.

Strangy.. you too can have ridiculously fast delivery if you purchase something with a 200% local markup :D.

Cheers

Wil

[Rosscoe68]

in town for a few weeks probably.
undecided somewhat as i have unofficially retired and am just making it up as i drive around aus :)

[John W]

Thanks John,
You have convinced me that if/when my compressor packs up, I will be replacing the air bags at the same time.
It is likely your compressor packed up prematurely as it had been working too hard, due to an undiagnosed leak in one of your bags.
I like the SLS too much to replace it with coil springs.:D;)
Cheers,
Alan

Hi biggin

Yep the compressor has been over worked with leaking airbags but not undiagnosed. As indicated I was out bush and you get not option but to drive out on the bump stops. Car was chock full. 5 people, 2 heavy 30sec tents, roofrack and all the camping gear etc. Hours of crawling over corrugations is no fun. I would suggest that if you plan on going anywhere that is a couple of days away from civilisation and if your bags are anything over 4years or so age then take a spare with you. Light weight and packs down. I like the air but if you want trouble free then change to coils. SWMBO insisted on getting a new playdough (wash my mouth out) after that trip. I was supposed to sell the disco but I keep finding excuses. Funny how you can't part with an old friend!

[John W]

May have misread your thoughts Biggin. There was quite a time lapse perhaps 2 years between when the compressor went and the first air bag needing replacement if that is what you mean so I can only put the failure down to the extra load of a caravan on the tow ball or good old red dust.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

a spare bag and a schrader valve would see you, home off the bumpstops, 100% of the time.

[Wil2k]

This whole project would be so much easier if I could GET THE WHEEL OFF!!

Anyone driving around bris with a spare "G" wheel nut key and a decent wheel brace?

Turns out the clowns that did the brakes have A) overtightened the nut, B) bent the key out of shape. Now it is loose and slipping and doing nothing but damaging the nut! The lever it came with is pretty bad also.. eww.

HELP!

:(

Wil (again)

[Baffle]

im not in Bris but on the coast, you can have mine if you can pick it up?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The D2 wheel nut locks are made of cheese,,
Quite a few of us have already thrown them away.

[Rosscoe68]

how do i tell what type my lock nut is ?
i have 2 that are the same.
and am in brisbane tomorrow heading to coopers plains

[Rosscoe68]

p.s. the last time i changed the bags in my D2 i didnt take either wheel off.
if that helps any.

[Wil2k]

Cheese huh?

I believe it! (doesn't taste like GOOD cheese though)

I got it off (destroyed tho). I'll post a pic. Tried a few different ways and ended up sacrificing a big old socket.

The keys have a letter stamped on them Rosscoe.. "G" was on mine.. and the nuts.

Baffle.. did you mean you have one that you don't want anymore? Or were you offering me the use of it? I'll grab it if you don't need it!! :)

Cheers

Wil

---- edit ----

Here's the pic. Totally trashed the nut, but got it off. Cut two bits or steel rod and sat them in the grooves of the lock nut then smashed the socket over the top with a hammer. Bingo!

http://www.staticfarm.com/temp/images/G-nut.jpg

[Baffle]

Cheese huh?

I believe it! (doesn't taste like GOOD cheese though)

I got it off (destroyed tho). I'll post a pic. Tried a few different ways and ended up sacrificing a big old socket.

The keys have a letter stamped on them Rosscoe.. "G" was on mine.. and the nuts.

Baffle.. did you mean you have one that you don't want anymore? Or were you offering me the use of it? I'll grab it if you don't need it!! :)

Cheers



Wil

You can have it, I run 2 sets of steel rims, have spare nut or 20 if needed too

[Wil2k]

Oh yeah! Done!! Beeeeooooootiful! Nice to have suspension again!

Now.. I'm down 1 wheel nut till I acquire a replacement.. Am I going to do anything bad if I need to drive it on 4 nuts? Also, anyone got any anti-seize compound recommendations? Never used it before. Don't want to have any dramas getting them off again. Does anyone else bother with it? How about nut tension.. should I get a torque wrench onto them? My old cars i just used my feet.. but I care more about this one :D

Next one I'll do MINUS the rain and mud! I actually had to set up a tarp over the Canyonero so I didn't drown!

http://www.staticfarm.com/temp/images/left-airbag.jpg

Noticed a fair bit of rust in the center .. is that bad? looks VERY orange.

http://www.staticfarm.com/temp/images/hub.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

You'll finally be able to take advantage of the Disco's famously overengineered wheelnuts :)


I'll let the Techies argue about Nm's,,,

just,,

DO IT UP

with the tool you carry around that will have to

UNDO it

;)

[John W]

Yep do em up by hand not with a rattle gun. Lean on the wheel brace a little but don't over do it. Just lean on it the same amount for each nut you do up, don't need science. Most of us have had them ruined when we get replacement tyres and the rubber shop takes to them with their rattle guns, kiss good by to your locking nuts. Could borrow a nut from your spare wheel on the back if you want to be real safe prior to getting a replacement.

[Krayzie Keegs]

p.s. the last time i changed the bags in my D2 i didnt take either wheel off.
if that helps any.

You dont need to take the wheels off when you jack the car up and rest on 600mm stands.

The only hard bit is undoing the air hose, I worked out if you tack the line from the Comp. drain the bag then lift and twist.
Bag cames out and then you can get a spanner on the nut out comes the bag did both bags in 1Hour 45 mins nd thing the first one took hour of that coz I it took me so long to think of releasing the air from the Comp.

And if you need Springs from the US for $268 + 60 AUS post from Arnotts

[DI5CO]

I have had the same issues as strangy, have gone through about 4 sets of bags from arnotts, the set I have in there now on one side has started to come away from the retaining ring from the track at the Vic 4wd show. I am now waiting on a set from Rovacraft, they are on back order, happy to pay a bit extra as they are only 5 mins from home. A bit of peace & mind.
Will, I have also changed my lock nuts over as my lock nut had started to tear, didn't want to have to change the wheel in the bush!!
Well done on changing them over, you will be happy with the result as I too wanted to retain the sls. All worth it in the end. (I hope:eek:)
Dave.

[Wil2k]

Well I finally got the lock nuts off! Local tyre shop buzzed them off for me with a rattle gun. Looked pretty bad once they were off. Got a used set from Baffle here on the forum, but for now will run with the non lockers on everything except the spare.

Interestingly.. the socket i used to hammer over the first lock nut (see pic in earlier post) sustained NO damage once i finally got them separated! Built like a tank.. unlike the wheel nut.. it was mangled! :o

Wil

[Rosscoe68]

My Dunlop bags turned up the other day, so i have a good set of spares now. :)

[Wil2k]

My Dunlop bags turned up the other day, so i have a good set of spares now. :)

Hey Rosscoe, I still have the dead airbag if you want it still, otherwise I'll bin it. PM me if you do. It looks to me like it just died of old age, there was a patch about the size of a couple of 50c pieces that was leaking air. Guess I'll put it down to rubber fatigue.

[Rosscoe68]

at this stage i think just bin it. thanks anyhow.
i have a pair of good second hand ones as spare now thanks. i was looking at trying to get them repaired, but the price for a pair of new dunlops landed here for less than $350 makes it not really worth trying to repair them.
i will still go down the compressor path, see if they are repairable though.

[jwb]

Just got Dunlop bags from Paddock Spares in UK on special for GBP 68 - about $110 each plus shipping was their web special and they said they had plenty in stock.

[DI5CO]

Just got my new bags today from Rovacraft. They're Britpart bags & have the same look & feel as the originals, unlike the arnotts. They both have contitech rubber but a different feel.
Question about the fitting, like a few posts before, they recommend cutting the line. So, is that it, cut the line & push the line in the bag?? How does it stay there? The arnotts you unscrew & screw the new one in. I just feel nervous cutting the lines without knowing how it works:p
Thanks, Dave.

[strangy]

Just got my new bags today from Rovacraft. They're Britpart bags & have the same look & feel as the originals, unlike the arnotts. They both have contitech rubber but a different feel.
Question about the fitting, like a few posts before, they recommend cutting the line. So, is that it, cut the line & push the line in the bag?? How does it stay there? The arnotts you unscrew & screw the new one in. I just feel nervous cutting the lines without knowing how it works:p
Thanks, Dave.

The push in fitting have a circular drectional type collar which locks on to the outside of the tube providing retention. Imagine hose barb or fitting on your garden hose. An o-ring then nprovides the sealing.

The screw in fittings have a brass collar known as an olive which is compressed onto the tube by the threaded nut to provide retention and again an o-ring for sealing.

The push in fittings recommend the trimming of the tube to remove the distorted part of the tube caused by the original compression of the olive. This then gives a smooth round area for the retention collar to lock onto and the o-ring to seal against.
Trim only what is needed.
cheers

[DI5CO]

So if it's all done right, once I push it through, I shouldn't be able to pull it back out? Does it matter if the bag is inflated or deflated?
Thanks strangy!

[Wil2k]

Just got Dunlop bags from Paddock Spares in UK on special for GBP 68 - about $110 each plus shipping was their web special and they said they had plenty in stock.

Ouch.. wish I'd had a bit more time.. I spent $590 at Airbagman on the dunlops. But i guess i couldn't have put up with riding on the stops too much longer *sigh* :(


So if it's all done right, once I push it through, I shouldn't be able to pull it back out? Does it matter if the bag is inflated or deflated?

I had to cut mine too, just clean the end to be inserted and snip with the kitchen scissors (!!) just behind the ridge that seals when the nut tightens. I just shoved mine in and gave it a yank. felt firm so I left it at that. I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong here) that if you push the silver socket in while pulling the air line out it will probably release it. I felt a bit apprehensive about the whole push-in connection.. but it seems to be sweet. :D

[strangy]

So if it's all done right, once I push it through, I shouldn't be able to pull it back out? Does it matter if the bag is inflated or deflated?
Thanks strangy!

Correct! To get it out again you have to push the outer collar to release.:D These push in fittings are everywhere in processing, and manufacturing equipment. They are very reliable and obviously quick!!


Edit: I mean no insult but thought I had better say, that if you pull it out with the bag inflated it will go down.

[DI5CO]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

What i think i meant, was if it was deflated should I try not to pull it out. Something along those lines:eek::eek:

I dont have an outer collar release (i dont think) it looks the same as the Arnotts screw in type. Heres a pic.

[strangy]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

What i think i meant, was if it was deflated should I try not to pull it out. Something along those lines:eek::eek:

I dont have an outer collar release (i dont think) it looks the same as the Arnotts screw in type. Heres a pic.

Ok if the picture is what you have, then you seem to have screw in fittings. "Did these say they were push in"
If they arent - dont cut you tube.
Leave the small plastic plug in (so you dont lose the olive ) and unscrew and you will see the olive. Push the tube in and make sure the olive is over the tube and not sideways etc. It should sit about 5 to 10mm from the end. Tighten (not wrenched) leak test and you are away.

[DI5CO]

Well that's what I thought, I have done this about 6 times before because the arnotts kept on leaking.
Now my instructions say to cut the line, this is why I have been so apprehensive to cut the line. It looks no different to the other fittings. I would have thought it would have been a different fitting. They even have paint on the fitting so for warranty purposes they know if they have been unscrewed.
"the air connector in this part is a sealed unit & has been extensively leak tested. Removing or loosening the connector for any reason will destroy the integrity of the seal & the part will no longer be guaranteed against pressure loss or failure. Bla bla bla..
Anyone got a pic of their push in type?

[strangy]

Push in fittings are round and have no flats to fit a spanner on. The silver bit is the push collar and nd th brass bit is screwed into the top, sealed and marked not to remove. etc. Hope this helps. I am 99.99% sure you have screw in fittings.
cheers.

[biggin]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

What i think i meant, was if it was deflated should I try not to pull it out. Something along those lines:eek::eek:

I dont have an outer collar release (i dont think) it looks the same as the Arnotts screw in type. Heres a pic.

It looks like a push-in fitting to me. Looking inside the fitting you can see a seal rather than a nut and olive arrangement........I think:p

[jwb]

Just did mine today - the Dunlop bags.

the air fitting is a push in type and the instructions provided are clear. Simply cut off the olive from the screw in fitting making sure you have a clean square end. Push the tube into the new fitting and it's done.

One interesting thing I had. Once everything was back together but still on the stands and jacks I closed all the doors and started the engine and... nothing!!!

Compressor wouldn't run. Checked fuses, all ok. Finally wondered whether the system wasn't getting a signal to level the car so jacked up one of the wheels a couple of pumps and the compressor instantly kicked in and pumped up both bags. Phew.

2002 Td5 ES SLS and now new air springs.

[DI5CO]

The olive is inside the nut. You can't see it from the outside.

[DI5CO]

From what I have been reading, sounds like the dunlops all use the push in types. My contitech bags fittings are completely different. I will be doing them shortly so hope all goes well!!:eek:

[DI5CO]

All done!! Took about an hour, don't even need to take the wheels of anymore! This is the 5th time I have done this. Hopefully these will last longer than the car:D

[strangy]

Great news, with that much experience you could charge out your services!:angel:

[ozscott]

The D2 wheel nut locks are made of cheese,,
Quite a few of us have already thrown them away.I welded mine. Still original (with weld) after 16 years. Cheers

[Pedro_The_Swift]

You welded your cheesey nuts....

Hmmmm-- [bigrolf]