What tree?

[Slunnie]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anybody could tell me what tree this used to be? I was guessing Yellow box, but I really was just guessing. I wanted to plant the same in other parts. I'm in not far from Orange NSW if locality helps.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/104.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/105.jpg

[Brian]

Looks a little like Black Wattle.
We have them everywhere up here, and a lot of people treat them like weeds.
Brian

[Rosco]

Don't know what it is, but I disagree with Brian on the Black Wattle.

[bee utey]

A sample of leaves would help...:D Definitely looks more Acacia than Eucalypt.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Thats beautiful country slunnie:cool:

[Tusker]

Pretty sure it's dead :p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

sorry slunnie but

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[RobHay]

Pretty sure it's dead :p


Totally agree, most definately from the species "Treeus Mortus"

[isuzutoo-eh]

Ask again in a few months and i'd say its a healthy specimen of firewood

[dobbo]

isn't that a seasoned firewood tree?

[Slunnie]

I'm in the company of greatness. :lol2:

I'd jusst be surprised if it was a Acacia because although there are lots in the region, there wouldn't be one within 1 or 2km due to Ag clearing. I haven't got any pics of it with leaves as it died before I bought the place. I think there what I suspect are others around here (and are still living) which I'll try to get a pic of.

[V8Ian]

Just minutes after the first post, I graciously refrained from posting....

"Wooden":angel:

[bee utey]

I'm in the company of greatness. :lol2:

I'd jusst be surprised if it was a Acacia because although there are lots in the region, there wouldn't be one within 1 or 2km due to Ag clearing. I haven't got any pics of it with leaves as it died before I bought the place. I think there what I suspect are others around here (and are still living) which I'll try to get a pic of.
I'm sure it died of a lonely heart(wood)

[banjo]

Hey slunnie have you got the blue beast rego'd yet..
soory to change the subject..

[V8Ian]

It looks like an Ed-wood to me ;):D but not ed-wood wood-wood :D
Wood you like to explain how you came to that conclusion.:D

[Fluids]

Dobbo .. wood you mean a flame tree ? :p

Looks like a DEAD TREE to me :D :Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Kev..

[lewy]

I'll take a stab and say pepermint [Agonis flexuosa]although doesn't seem to have weeping type habit.do the tree in the background seen the same.

[numpty]

I'm sure it's not a Yellow Box.

[V8Ian]

I'm sure it's not a Yellow Box.
A fair carpenter could make it into one, Perry.;)

[Redback]

It could be a Black Sally, being a frosty area this maybe what it is, one thing for sure is it's definitely dead;)

Baz

[numpty]

A fair carpenter could make it into one, Perry.;)

Being dark haired (was once) and no carpenter, leaves me out.:)

[V8Ian]

Being dark haired (was once) and no carpenter, leaves me out.:)
I have trouble striking an arc with those woodcraft rods.;)

[crump]

My guess without seeing leaves is one of the "Corymbia" genus, colloquially known a "Bloodwoods'.

[numpty]

My guess without seeing leaves is one of the "Corymbia" genus, colloquially known a "Bloodwoods'.

I concur;)

[Redback]

I concur;)

I don't:p

[abaddonxi]

This thread didn't happen without chainsaws.

[crump]

I concur;)
I'll take your "concur" and raise you double!! :D

[numpty]

And I'll bow out.

[JLo]

Is the bark fibrous to flaky? Looks like it from photo but hard to tell.

Have a look around the base of the tree for some old gum nuts which you can use to ID it. Close up photo from top and sides of gum nuts and post back on here or send to me.

It isn't a wattle.

Cheers

JLo

[circlework]

Doubt it's a black wattle as it looks a tad big and by now, there'd be 10,000 seedlings within cooee. I wouldn't go for yellow box either, wrong bark and not enough girth in the trunk. Get sawin' and see what the old growth wood is like. Besides, the locals'd know...... good excuse for a barbie!

Good Luck.

Daz.

[blitz]

A black wattle is an acacia

it's definitely dead, very hard to a dead plant to grow

if it isnt a black wattle then I would say it is probably a type of acacia related to it.

Blythe

[blitz]

and before any one says all acacias are related I mean a close relation ;)

blythe

[Slunnie]

I've taken a few more pics that might help.

This is my tree.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/104.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/105.jpg




This is another up the back (Tree 1) I think it is the same type of tree, but thats not to say that it is the same type of tree. :D Actually there are quite a few in the area. They are just known as the Windera tree around here, but thats not their common or botanical name.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/106.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/107.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/108.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/109.jpg


Another one (Tree 2)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/110.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/111.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/112.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/113.jpg

And another Tree 3
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/114.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/115.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/116.jpg

[slug_burner]

They look like eucalyptus to me, wattles are a colonising species and not often that big and not often by themselves. Box is possible.

My father-in-law was good at typing trees (not around any more)

[Slunnie]

I'll take a stab and say pepermint [Agonis flexuosa]although doesn't seem to have weeping type habit.do the tree in the background seen the same.

Hi Lewy, most of those in the background are a different species and are without the weeping characteristic

It could be a Black Sally, being a frosty area this maybe what it is, one thing for sure is it's definitely dead;)

Baz
Black Sallys are a local plant and thats an interesting one. The tree is similar with the multi trunk and broad crown like what I've got, except the other similar trees have that typical Eucalypt leaf, where the black sallys are a rounder leaf like pictured here
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/98.jpg


Is the bark fibrous to flaky? Looks like it from photo but hard to tell.

Have a look around the base of the tree for some old gum nuts which you can use to ID it. Close up photo from top and sides of gum nuts and post back on here or send to me.

It isn't a wattle.

Cheers

JLo
Hi JLo, There were no nuts unfortunately, the tree died a couple of years ago. On the other trees I didn't see any either. The bark is however fibrous. I've taken some closer pics just now.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/99.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/100.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/02/101.jpg

[lewy]

Those last two photo's of the bark look like an apple box[ Angophora floribunda]?.We need some seeds;).If it is apple box forget it for firewood will only burn black.

[Bushie]

Those last two photo's of the bark look like an apple box[ Angophora floribunda]?.We need some seeds;).If it is apple box forget it for firewood will only burn black.

Most firewood burns black at least eventually, from the relatively tight bark and looking at the other leaves I would put my money on a Eucalyptus Idunoseum, they are very common around here.

:D:D:D:D:D


Martyn

[Slunnie]

Those last two photo's of the bark look like an apple box[ Angophora floribunda]?.We need some seeds;).If it is apple box forget it for firewood will only burn black.
Hi Lewy,

Thanks for this. I did some research and found that apparently that type of bark is indicative of "box" eucalypts. Something new for me! That tree looks close, the locations map doesn't show it being iin this area with it being more of a southern tree, but we are up relatively high and it is considered cool climate.

[Discopug]

I would say the dead tree is a "white box" the wood will be very hard to split when you want to burn it.

[lewy]

Most firewood burns black at least eventually, from the relatively tight bark and looking at the other leaves I would put my money on a Eucalyptus Idunoseum:eek:, they are very common around here.

Almost had me.
















alright you got me

[Sleepy]

I am amazed at how a simple thread has branched out in all directions. Who wood have thought. I think I'll leaf it alone.


BTW - the tree looks rooted.:wasntme:

[Slunnie]

I am amazed at how a simple thread has branched out in all directions. Who wood have thought. I think I'll leaf it alone.


BTW - the tree looks rooted.:wasntme:
It still looks barked also. :blush:

[circlework]

OK, I'll go out on a limb here :D :D correct me if I'm wrong, but the 2nd set of pics of the leaves aren't Angophora as the leaves are borne alternate and all Angophora leaves are borne opposite.
Also, I was of the impression that white box trunks were solitary. Wish I hadn't slept through the botany tutes! :)


Daz.

[Slunnie]

Ooh, that means I'm confusing things with different species. :(

[KarlB]

Lots of pictures posted now and probably fair to say these included more than a single species. However, all photos seem to be of box eucalypts and the majority are probably Yellow Box. Other typical eucalyps in the Orange area include White Box, Apple Box, Grey Box and Blakely's Red Gum.

[disco2hse]

That bark and the general shape looks like a liquidamber. Was it evergreen or deciduous?

[Slunnie]

Lots of pictures posted now and probably fair to say these included more than a single species. However, all photos seem to be of box eucalypts and the majority are probably Yellow Box. Other typical eucalyps in the Orange area include White Box, Apple Box, Grey Box and Blakely's Red Gum.
Karl, thanks for this. I've been looking in the Australian Native Plants to grow in and around Orange book and likewise searching the internet and checking the data from Windyhills and it didn't look like them, but when searching around on Yellow Box there were so many different variations in the form and profile of the tree, many of which fell outside of that specified by many sites - so some pics looked like what I have, and many didn't. Thank you for this, I think that Box is along the correct track... but which one. :confused: I'll have to take the pics to Windyhill and see what Bob thinks also.


That bark and the general shape looks like a liquidamber. Was it evergreen or deciduous?
Liquidamber... As a kiddie I'd always be up climbing those things. I would assume this one is evergreen as thats what everything else is around here except for the poplars. Thats not to say it 100% is evergreen though.

[KarlB]

Slunnie, if you can provide me with a better location than just "near orange", I can probably come up with a species list from a nearby TSR or other biological survey location.
Cheers
KarlB

[JLo]

Sorry, got caught up in 1/2 hr maintenance fix that took up most of the day. You know how it goes.

First up - It is not a liquid amber. It is not a Wattle/ Acacia.


From the new photos it looks like it could be a couple of different species. One lot of bark looks fibrous-flaky, another lot looks tesellated.

Could be Eucalyptus bridgesiana Apple Box; Could be Angophora floribunda Rough Barked Apple. Could be E. melliodora Yellow Box.

Not gray or white box. Not a Black Sally which I think someone has mentioned.

Generally the trees that remain are the ones that weren't of use around the farm e.g posts or fire wood.

Should be able see now why a gum nut would make IDing easier. If its angophora, the nut will have ridges. If euc it will be smooth.

I think you have already made the best decision, take a photo to the nursery. Grab a branch with leaves on it as well.

Sorry can't be more definite than this.

Cheers
JLo

[Slunnie]

Thanks Karl, I've pm'd you some details. Thanks Jlo also. I'll have another look for nuts tomorrow, but the tree has been dead for quite a while unfortunately.