Can't see the new Prado selling like the old one

[dmdigital]

Just browsing through the spec's on the new Prado. The old one was very favoured by the grey nomads towing their big vans. I think that's about to change. The new model's towing specs is 750kg unbraked (as expected) and only 2500kg braked on the 5 door or 3000kg on the 3 door.

That's not very good at all. Certainly will stop anyone wanting one as a tow vehicle. Unless they go the SWB.

Interestingly the ground clearance figures don't read too badly. Though I suspect the 205mm clearance is from a lot more under the car than just a diff centre.

The one thing that stood out is 700mm wading depth.

Anyway, thanks to Toyota's problems in the USA etc we now know why they've always been advertised as unbrakeable.

Oops! Did I mis-spell that:angel:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

you never know,,
maybe the new one might be the last one,,


in America at least,,

[p38arover]

Just browsing through the spec's on the new Prado. The old one was very favoured by the grey nomads towing their big vans.


Not if this happens. This is the cast tow bar receiver on LROC members, Terry and Rhonda Boyce's Prado.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/04/1284.jpg

[dmdigital]

Ouch! Maybe they've re-engineered the tow hitch by simply reducing the capacity.

[Sprint]

wtf? how did that happen?

[p38arover]

Big van, corrugations in the Kimberley (I think). Toyota blame it on a Hayman Reese hitch in the Toyota receiver.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Big van, corrugations in the Kimberley (I think). Toyota blame it on a Hayman Reese hitch in the Toyota receiver.

can anyone say "floor mat"
:p

[dmdigital]

Big van, corrugations in the Kimberley (I think). Toyota blame it on a Hayman Reese hitch in the Toyota receiver.
I bet the Hayman Heece hitch is fine in any other receiver.

[Chucaro]

I would not believe what Toyota have to say after reading THIS (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/27/2832034.htm'section=justin) :o

[amtravic1]

Those new Prados would have to be one of the most ugly things on the road. I see a couple each day on my way to work and cannot believe the poor job Toyota have done of styling.

[dmdigital]

Those new Prados would have to be one of the most ugly things on the road. I see a couple each day on my way to work and cannot believe the poor job Toyota have done of styling.
What styling:confused: The Prado is now in line with RAV4, Kluger, Land Cruiser 200. In fact when I first walked past the one in town I thought it was a Kluger.

[scarry]

What styling:confused: The Prado is now in line with RAV4, Kluger, Land Cruiser 200. In fact when I first walked past the one in town I thought it was a Kluger.

They are hard to tell apart from a distance unless you have a real good look.

The guy at the Tojo dealership where we get our Hi aces from recons everyone is complaining at how far behind everyone else the diesel engine in the Prado is,its got no go.

LR are also missing the boat,they need a family wagon,they need something between the deefer & the D4,as the D4 is now in the upmarket luxury class.Maybe the new deefer will fill the hole.?

[JDNSW]

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LR are also missing the boat,they need a family wagon,they need something between the deefer & the D4,as the D4 is now in the upmarket luxury class.Maybe the new deefer will fill the hole.?

And then what replaces the Defender?

John

[scarry]

And then what replaces the Defender?

John


An upmarket Defender maybe?

It will fit in the market between the old Defender & the D4.

[abaddonxi]

They are hard to tell apart from a distance unless you have a real good look.

The guy at the Tojo dealership where we get our Hi aces from recons everyone is complaining at how far behind everyone else the diesel engine in the Prado is,its got no go.

LR are also missing the boat,they need a family wagon,they need something between the deefer & the D4,as the D4 is now in the upmarket luxury class.Maybe the new deefer will fill the hole.?

Thought that was supposed to be the Freelander.

[Zute]

I quite liked the last model Prado (120 I think ) but out of my price range for the moment. I mate bought one, d4d and it go's great. Plenty of power, for my needs and makes my TD5 D2 seem slow.(maybe it is, so what). ABS works a treat, even on gravel.
One month of ownership, the Prado needs a new clutch. Had to come from Japan, off the road for two weeks. He's had other minor problems, but like most Toyota owners, dont talk about them.
I look at the new one and there seems to be lots of things hanging down below the chasis. If only I could transfer the ABS to the Disco.

[Benny_IIA]

I quite liked the last model Prado (120 I think ) but out of my price range for the moment. I mate bought one, d4d and it go's great. Plenty of power, for my needs and makes my TD5 D2 seem slow.(maybe it is, so what). ABS works a treat, even on gravel.
One month of ownership, the Prado needs a new clutch. Had to come from Japan, off the road for two weeks. He's had other minor problems, but like most Toyota owners, dont talk about them.
I look at the new one and there seems to be lots of things hanging down below the chasis. If only I could transfer the ABS to the Disco.


I take it you have not spoken to Tombie yet:D

[lardy]

I am sure we have discussed the fact that all motors have issues, but i reckon Land Rover should have gone nuts with adverts to promote themselves as a viable possibility in a market they lost some 30 odd years ago when the competition that took the manufacturing prowess from LR have fallen foul in the market at the present time go the green oval sell some units.

[Bush65]

Talking to an ARB outlet manager, ARB are expecting very large sales of the new Prado.

Hilux is still best seller, Prado outsells Landcruiser and continues to grow in numbers by comparison.


I am sure we have discussed the fact that all motors have issues, but i reckon Land Rover should have gone nuts with adverts to promote themselves as a viable possibility in a market they lost some 30 odd years ago when the competition that took the manufacturing prowess from LR have fallen foul in the market at the present time go the green oval sell some units.
I think we all know Land Rover needs more dealer support across the nation.

I also concur with the comments of the Disco 4 priced too high to take many sales from Prado.

[dmdigital]

Hilux is still best seller
...and if you remove fleet sales from that figure?

[PAT303]

If you removed fleet sales Tojo would not be happy,the company I worked for last year bought 5 new hilux's just before the end of the tax year,I drove past the workshop a few weeks ago and they were sitting in the yard,I drove past again on friday and they are still sitting there.If LR brought a dealer back to Kal I think they would sell vehicles quite easily,I also agree that LR need a telecom special D3-4 to sell to companys as buses,they would sell very well as troopys are being converted for a total cost of $85,000. Pat

[scarry]

...and if you remove fleet sales from that figure?

Fleet/company sales also fill a lot of sales of prado,LC 79 &200series.

LR are in a completely different market.

Large fleet sales are not their go.

As for the freelander,it's really too small to be a family touring wagon,although that depends how big your family is.:angel:
No low range,not really in the Prado type class.

I recon prado's will continue to sell well,they are very popular,you only have to compare resale values,compared to say a D2 of same year ,condition & km;s.

But we all know they are boring,mass produced,with no "character",or heritage.

[Sleepy]

I agree the towing restriction is an issue. This is not new with Toyota though, the old man's early 90's Troopy had a pitiful rating based on two-ball down force. They changed it later (stroke of the pen?).

As for styling, putting the Defender aside, the Land Rover fleet also has a generic style. The new "Project Icon" Defender program will see the a new "Defender" on the D3/4 Chassis. I would think Land Rover would want to sell them in the US so they are bound to be more SUV like. (IMHO)

I think the Landcrusier has established a fair bit of heritage - ok maybe not back to 1940's but I guess they have been around 50 years now. An early FJ40 in original condition would make a good project for restoration - you just don't see many that aren't rusted away or painted purple with fibreglass wings. I'd love to have a go at one - one day.:angel:

I shall confess, I am biased - I have a soft spot for cruisers ,I grew up in the back seat of an FJ40 - Now, they are just too damned expensive for what you get.

[PAT303]

Fleet sales in Oz would exceed LR's production figures but they don't want to be involved in ''tradesman'' vehicles,they only want the top end market. Pat

[Zute]

Scarry wrote;
As for the freelander,it's really too small to be a family touring wagon,although that depends how big your family is.:angel:
No low range,not really in the Prado type class.

Interesting you say that. When we did Cape York and Frenchmans track some years ago. (Pajero, 4runner & a Jackaroo) we all agreed that we could have done every part in High range. We did use low, but second or third only.
This came about as we past a Honda CRV heading to the cape via The Telegraph rd.
A lot of Touring could be done in a Freelander, except maybe the High country. But now that the harder parts are being locked off, that may not come into it.:mad:

[Zute]

I take it you have not spoken to Tombie yet:D

I do think about getting an Tombie up grade, but Im happy to just plug along.;)

[PAT303]

Scarry wrote;
As for the freelander,it's really too small to be a family touring wagon,although that depends how big your family is.:angel:
No low range,not really in the Prado type class.

Interesting you say that. When we did Cape York and Frenchmans track some years ago. (Pajero, 4runner & a Jackaroo) we all agreed that we could have done every part in High range. We did use low, but second or third only.
This came about as we past a Honda CRV heading to the cape via The Telegraph rd.
A lot of Touring could be done in a Freelander, except maybe the High country. But now that the harder parts are being locked off, that may not come into it.:mad:

VW's,Peugots,Renault's,Merc's have and still do drive all over Oz,Africa,middle east etc and have no problem.I drove down a track in the NT to a water hole that two cruiser and one Pajero owners wouldn't go down in my defender and there was two back packers at the bottom in a combi. Pat

[V8Ian]

VW's,Peugots,Renault's,Merc's have and still do drive all over Oz,Africa,middle east etc and have no problem.I drove down a track in the NT to a water hole that two cruiser and one Pajero owners wouldn't go down in my defender and there was two back packers at the bottom in a combi. Pat
There's not much of this country that hasn't seen a sideplate Holden, at some stage.

[BigJon]

PAT303, where was the waterhole? I took my HJ Kingswood ute (lifted) all over central Australia and through the Kimberley of WA.

[PAT303]

We did the mereenie loop,kings canyon,redbank and Ormiston gorge,I can't remember now which one it was at,we did it after the Alice dealership,you might have been working there then,fitted a new front drive shaft after the original run dry and wrecked the uni and spider even though it just got a 50K service at a Sydney dealership. Pat

[JDNSW]

There's not much of this country that hasn't seen a sideplate Holden, at some stage.

Yes, but the ground clearance and approach/departure angles of Holdens (along with most other cars) has got a lot worse since then. But many of the softroaders do in fact have adequate ground clearance, and most places do not require low range. However, where they do fall down is in lack of ruggedness - they tend not to stand up as well as proper four wheel drives (or even the old Holdens) to prolonged use on severe corrugations, driving at speed through bad potholes, (particularly when well loaded) and do not do nearly as well in hte odd encounter with a roo or sticks picked up on the road. And another advantage the old Holdens had was that they were simply incapable of maintaining the speeds that many people expect to do today, even on rough roads.

John