How not to reverse down a hill

[p38arover]

See YouTube- NP Pajero Roll Over Accident

More info here: Pajero Roll Over - Pajero 4WD Club of Victoria Public Forum

This may be a repost.

[fraser130]

Hmmmm.
That's how easy it is!

[banjo]

:eek::eek::cool::eek:

Thats funny .hope no one was hurt but it was funny.

[Cap]

I have seen it before... good example to show how EASY and QUICKLY things can go from OK to bad! :o :o

[seano87]

I felt sick watching that. Maybe I'm strange, but I don't see anything funny about it like half the people who commented on it on youtube.

In hindsight, I'm sure they would realise how they could have managed the situation a whole lot better and it was a genuinely unfortunate accident as a result of compounding factors. I do find some amusement in why he was going back down the hill though - to snatch the Toyota that couldn't make it up :D.

Hope we can all learn something from watching it.

Seano

[87County]

obviously we all hope no one was hurt...

the fancy roll-up awning thingy and roof bars got left on side of the track - and those trees down the hill did a good job stopping all from getting worse

oh well, no wonder insurance premiums continue to increase

[Psimpson7]

:eek::eek::cool::eek:

Thats funny .hope no one was hurt but it was funny.

Which part was funny? I think they were lucky no one was seriously hurt.

[banjo]

I DID SAY I HOPE NO ONE WAS HURT..& why would you reverse as quick as that down a hill like that..isnt that what low range is for ..would of gone slower..

[Mudsloth]

It does show easily things can go wrong and how readily a 4wd will go over. I was climbing a steep hill one day in the disco, got to the top lost all power and traction and went down the bakwards way too fast. All the time this video was going through my head.

[Cap]

I should say too that if the track is rutted, stay in the ruts! Probably something everyone knows, but train tracking down hill in the ruts is much safer than trying to ride the tops.

[Grumbles]

Like others I see no humour in others misfortunes on the tracks when matters become serious but you have to wonder about his mates. Why weren't they acting as guides telling him where to steer, to slow down or to stop him etc. They share the blame for this as much as the driver in my opinion.

[Bushie]

I've looked at this a few times, I'm not sure but I don't think he's in 4wd, both front wheels appear to be stopped just before he starts sliding, could be wrong as the resolution isn't that good.


Martyn

[V8Ian]

Like others I see no humour in others misfortunes .
Personally, nor do I; but how long has Funniest Home Videos been making the ratings?

[Sparksdisco]

I do find some amusement in why he was going back down the hill though - to snatch the Toyota that couldn't make it up :D.

Hope we can all learn something from watching it.

Seano


Dont help toyota drivers? :p:p:p

[Fluids]

Ouch! ...

But he's idling backwards with the car out of gear using the brakes to control his descent ...

... left hand wheels are cross rutted, back right wheel appears to mount a steep rock ledge/outcrop which lifts the high side and flips the vehicle over.

:eek:

Kev..

[Tank]

It really pays to have the gearbox in gear when trying to reverse down a hill, especially off road, commonsense dictates it, no sympathy, Regards Frank.

[LandyAndy]

Im with Kev
Should have been in low 4 and in gear.Cant steer it with the front wheels draging and no engine braking.
Andrew

[Gillie]

Get the full story here. Pajero Roll Over - Pajero 4WD Club of Victoria Public Forum
Other then a bit of whip lash and shock we both came out of it pretty well.



Took the insurance company's salvage crew 19 hours to get it out.

[Sleepy]

Glad everyone is alright.
I am wondering why he was backing down anyway?
Scared the bejesus out of me:o. Yes should have been in gear etc. Yup all very well in hindsight but it is so easy to make a blue - especially if, like me, 99% of your driving is on bitumen. It takes about 3 seconds for him to loose it.


Took the insurance company's salvage crew 19 hours to get it out.
Wonder why they'd bother.

[Bushie]

Wonder why they'd bother.

May not have a choice, there's not too many places you can just 'abandon' a vehicle nowadays.


Martyn

[Sleepy]

May not have a choice, there's not too many places you can just 'abandon' a vehicle nowadays.


Yeah good point, I imagined the wreck would not be worth the cost of recovering it. But once the Insurance co. write it off, it is theirs and therefore could be done for littering.

[haggisbasher]

Sad end to a trip for them... but atleast they all walked away from if with minor injuries.

As an aside, regardless of how experienced or not someone is, accidents still happen. I was out with my neighbour (experienced SES member, patrol well kitted out). He got stuck going up a hill, panicked, jammed on foot brake and the car (with me, him, and our sons in it) started sliding back down the hill. told him gently, then more forcefully, to select reverse, clutch out and foot off the brake. Alas.... he was ashen white at the bottom of the hill with foot HARDER on brake pedal. Told me he had no control over descent and i gently explained why and also how to regain control of it. We ended up winching out.... but still would not let me drive it up and out, which i feel it could have done.

As a passenger there is little you can do but guidance is the best.

Chris

[p38arover]

If you roll over when off-road, be wary of recovering it yourself.

A few years ago, a member of the Sydney LROC had a rollover down a hill in his LandCruiser. Had he recovered it himself, insurance company would not have covered the costs. Leave it for the insurance company to recover.

In his case, the recovery costs were around $12,000.

[Scouse]

If you roll over when off-road, be wary of recovering it yourself.

Yes, let these guys do it:

23083

[p38arover]

Sound only?

[seano87]

Sound only?

I could see the video, just using Windows Media Player. edit: it is on youtube as well YouTube- Afghan Auto Club

I'd rather not have them recover it thanks!! :eek:

Seano

[V8Ian]

Sound only?
I got sound and vision Ron, the computer didn't like it though.

Talk about rock apes. :D:D:D

[banjo]

It landed on its wheels ,thats a good start...AGAIN funny & there was no one in it to get hurt even beter..

[Grover-98]

That last clip shows how when things get extreme you can easily forget the simple things. When we put the Pinzgauer on its side i think i got in and out to put the handbrake on 5 times as we feared that exact thing happening. And like the guys who rolled the Paj... my father and i too had the same indecision for me to navigate him or to let someone else do it... From that day on either my father or i Navigate as it handles so differently to any other 4x4.

[Fluids]

LOL ! :Rolling: :Rolling: :Rolling:

Toyota Recovery Team :wasntme:

Kev..

[long stroke]

This would be a bad feeling:eek:

YouTube- Back Up Pajero.wmv

Hope no one was injured.

P.s apologies if this has been posted before:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

[alien]

That clip still make my heart skip a beat:o
I put it up on another forum and was given this link for the full story..
Pajero Roll Over - Pajero 4WD Club of Victoria Public Forum (http://140.99.20.180/forum/showthread.php't=1280&highlight=rolled)
Thankfully no one was hurt.

[robbotd5]

That clip still make my heart skip a beat:o
I put it up on another forum and was given this link for the full story..
Pajero Roll Over - Pajero 4WD Club of Victoria Public Forum (http://140.99.20.180/forum/showthread.php't=1280&highlight=rolled)
Thankfully no one was hurt.
What did he realy do wrong??? It happened so quick!!! OUCH!!!!
Regards Robbo

[buddha D2]

:blink: phark......been in similar situations in the mountains many times......now that will make it worse......better not let the Dept. War & Finance see that one!!

[SwedishBloke]

Damn! Those made some horrid memories of mine come back from the past. I've been in a similar situation once.

I was driving a full sized sedan with two wheel drive up an icy narrow forest road. At one point I couldn’t get traction and had to start reverse in not too different road section like that one in the video. At first it was a curve and since the road was so steep I didn't se the road at all, just the slope and trees where the rear of the car was going before it started turning around the bend of the road. Suddenly I felt that I lost traction completely, the car started to slide backwards fast. I told my father who was in the passenger seat to embrace because we were surly heading down the slope or hitting a tree at least. The rear of the car hit the snow on the side of the road and made the car spin 180. So all I had to do was to put in third gear and drive on wards down the road I was trying to reverse down to. No injuries on us or the car. It felt like a divine intervention.

The fear you feel when you loose traction of the car and know that it can go as it did in that video is something you never forget if you have experienced it.

[101RRS]

What did he realy do wrong??? It happened so quick!!! OUCH!!!!
Regards Robbo

It is hard to tell but it looks to me that he was backing in either neutral/clutch on and on brakes or in high range reverse and on brakes hence when it did start to slide it just kept going.

I wonder if the same would have happened if in low range reverse and no brakes - however I suppose it is an auto - so would have been in low reverse made any difference?

Garry

[alien]

What did he realy do wrong??? It happened so quick!!! OUCH!!!!
Regards Robbo

The story is in the first post of the link supplied.
Basicly they were backing down to snatch someone with no guide.
The LH/Rear got up over and into the RH wheel rut.
As this happened the nose got loose and you can see the rest.
The trees slowed and turned the Paj. till it stoped.
NO ONE HURT is the good thing.
19 hour to recover it.
If you have time read the tread....Pajero Roll Over - Pajero 4WD Club of Victoria Public Forum (http://140.99.20.180/forum/showthread.php't=1280&highlight=rolled)

[robbotd5]

Damn! Those made some horrid memories of mine come back from the past. I've been in a similar situation once.

I was driving a full sized sedan with two wheel drive up an icy narrow forest road. At one point I couldn’t get traction and had to start reverse in not too different road section like that one in the video. At first it was a curve and since the road was so steep I didn't se the road at all, just the slope and trees where the rear of the car was going before it started turning around the bend of the road. Suddenly I felt that I lost traction completely, the car started to slide backwards fast. I told my father who was in the passenger seat to embrace because we were surly heading down the slope or hitting a tree at least. The rear of the car hit the snow on the side of the road and made the car spin 180. So all I had to do was to put in third gear and drive on wards down the road I was trying to reverse down to. No injuries on us or the car. It felt like a divine intervention.

The fear you feel when you loose traction of the car and know that it can go as it did in that video is something you never forget if you have experienced it.
g'day!!! Your car was Swedish?? V or S ?
Regards Robbo

[SwedishBloke]

g'day!!! Your car was Swedish?? V or S ?
Regards Robbo

It was a SAAB 9000. Fairly nice car I'd say. But for that road I would have needed 4x4.

Cheers Roger

[Lostkiwi]

There was a video going around the New Zealand 4wd Clubs a Number of years ago In it was a long wheel base Series 2 or 3 flat deck [cant remember]
They didn't put it into reverse on a failed hill climb It rolled twice on the main track then rolled off over into a ravine rolling another 7-8 times Both people got throwing out somewhere between rolls 3 and 5 Luckily there were no serious injures Maybe some of the Kiwi members can remember this?
But it is certainly a reminder to use the right Gear!!:)

[p38arover]

This would be a bad feeling:eek:

YouTube- Back Up Pajero.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZiITqy0GU)

Hope no one was injured.

P.s apologies if this has been posted before:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

Yep, it's a repost. Threads merged.

[flagg]

I wonder if the same would have happened if in low range reverse and no brakes - however I suppose it is an auto - so would have been in low reverse made any difference?

While I don't claim to be an expert at all about these things, I have done 2 4x4 driving courses and on both occasions i was told that you must only reverse down a slope like that in low range with both feet on the floor or this will happen.

To be honest I thought it was a little silly when it was explained to me but I did it anyway - now I'm glad I do!

[Redback]

This would be a bad feeling:eek:

YouTube- Back Up Pajero.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzZiITqy0GU)

Hope no one was injured.

P.s apologies if this has been posted before:angel:

CHEERS TIM.

Why are you reposting the same vid from the first post:eek2::spudnikwhat::spudnikwhat:

OK understand now, Ron has merged the two posts