Y62 patrol

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Originally Posted by Tombie

That was more the point..
We offered assistance and he was quite put out by it..

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And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.

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Originally Posted by uninformed

And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.

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I would have thrown a shoe at mike if he pulled up along side me[emoji6]

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Originally Posted by Zeros

I must admit I’m confused. All this hyperbole from welded on Land Rover aficionados about how amazing this big petrol V8 saloon is ...have I been teleported to the USA? The interior looks like a Cadillac and the exterior is a design nightmare! With a bullbar it looks torturous!
...or are we in Saudi Arabia? These things would previously have been reserved for Oil tycoons!

What happened to the Land Rover fraternity which celebrated frugality, simplicity, tread lightly, and dare I say it...humble pragmatism?

I really dont want to be the spoiler, each to their own and all, but this is surely anathema to the whole Land Rover ethos! This is what the D5 and no new Defender has inspired?

This is is the last gasp of the big V8 guzzlers. I get it, it feels powerful to drive. Yup a big V8 always has. But not even a Brocky would be driving one around a race track come 2020.

2020 on... is all about hybridity, economy and protecting our fragile planet from global warming. Hopefully not too little too late. ...Bring on the Hybrid Defender 2.0 litre/electric that uses 3ltr per 100km. And bring back the swag! or at most the compact camper trailer. ...what’s all this about needing to tow a 3.5+ tonne van?! and GVM upgrades on 3.5tonne V8 tanks?!

Australia don’t become America. Doh! too late?

[bigwhistle]

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Zeros. Mate;

Althougg i understand where your coming from i cant agree. As some know my mrs is pregnant and hence the reason why it was important to upgrade to a family bus. To make matters more interesting we just found out we're having twins, so stoked [emoji3][emoji3]. Its like selling the defender and buying the patrol was destiny. The patrol will easily fit my 3 kids, the mrs and all our gear when we go away. Have plenty of power on tap for safe over taking, although it isnt ancap rated it does have six airbags and its size, build quality amd the fact that nissan built it with the intention of selling it at over $100k leads me to believe its well designed and very safe.

Is it frugal? Not to most people

Is it environmentally friendly? Probably not compared to most small petrols but is compared to almost every diesel. Diesel causes cancer and kills, argue the point all you like but thats why they're loaded with emissions controls.

Is it big? Yes but some people and families need a large vehcile

Does it need to tow 3.5 ton? Not really in my case but any vehcile built to lug a proper 3.5ton has a HD chassis and is built tough

Is it fancy? Compared to a lot of cars yes, comparrd to a d5, range rover or almost any expensive european suv then no.

Is it reliable? According to all sources. No common faults and major issues arent an issue

Is it ugly? Maybe at first but then the more u look at it the more it grows on u. It actually looks great now that ive installed the new rear lights.

Is it arab or American simply cause of its size? Well i know it was designed to be king in the middle east and it is the greatest selling vehicle over there by a lonh shot however it is no different to australia where we love big steaks, big vans, big 4wd lifts, big v8s, large coffees and much more. The vehicle is one that does feel a void for those that need a big, comfortable, powerful, spacious and capable 4wd.

So in a nutshell is it a meaningless vehcile with no purpose in Australia? Well they seem to be selling in much greater numbers now and people are forced to wait on delivery for months......maybe people have realised that a frugal diesel isnt so cheap to own or run over the long term any more? I dont know but i guarantee that if u drove one it would be difficult not to end up with it in your garage!

Ps. Sorry for long post, my opinion.

These are all the reasons we are seriously looking at it!

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Originally Posted by 1nando

Zeros. Mate;

Althougg i understand where your coming from i cant agree. As some know my mrs is pregnant and hence the reason why it was important to upgrade to a family bus. To make matters more interesting we just found out we're having twins, so stoked [emoji3][emoji3]. Its like selling the defender and buying the patrol was destiny. The patrol will easily fit my 3 kids, the mrs and all our gear when we go away. Have plenty of power on tap for safe over taking, although it isnt ancap rated it does have six airbags and its size, build quality amd the fact that nissan built it with the intention of selling it at over $100k leads me to believe its well designed and very safe.

Is it frugal? Not to most people

Is it environmentally friendly? Probably not compared to most small petrols but is compared to almost every diesel. Diesel causes cancer and kills, argue the point all you like but thats why they're loaded with emissions controls.

Is it big? Yes but some people and families need a large vehcile

Does it need to tow 3.5 ton? Not really in my case but any vehcile built to lug a proper 3.5ton has a HD chassis and is built tough

Is it fancy? Compared to a lot of cars yes, comparrd to a d5, range rover or almost any expensive european suv then no.

Is it reliable? According to all sources. No common faults and major issues arent an issue

Is it ugly? Maybe at first but then the more u look at it the more it grows on u. It actually looks great now that ive installed the new rear lights.

Is it arab or American simply cause of its size? Well i know it was designed to be king in the middle east and it is the greatest selling vehicle over there by a lonh shot however it is no different to australia where we love big steaks, big vans, big 4wd lifts, big v8s, large coffees and much more. The vehicle is one that does feel a void for those that need a big, comfortable, powerful, spacious and capable 4wd.

So in a nutshell is it a meaningless vehcile with no purpose in Australia? Well they seem to be selling in much greater numbers now and people are forced to wait on delivery for months......maybe people have realised that a frugal diesel isnt so cheap to own or run over the long term any more? I dont know but i guarantee that if u drove one it would be difficult not to end up with it in your garage!

Ps. Sorry for long post, my opinion.

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Hey 1nando, thanks for your detailed and considered response. I appreciate it.

Firstly congratulations on twins! fantastic news. You definitely need a safe and reliable vehicle with a growing family.

RE: all your points above, ditto, I understand your point of view and your choice of vehicle is up to you, but we'll need to agree to disagree.

Totally understandable that you need a heavy duty family wagaon, but there are many options for family wagons which are more economical, don't have V8 engines, are not so massive and are less expensive to buy and run. ...It's clear that the reason that you have a Y62 Patrol is that you wanted one, you enjoy it's power and size. I'm interested to know why it doesn't have an ancap rating if safety is also part of the reason?

The diesel is bad, petrol is better argument is a furphy:

"Diesel was promoted as a more environmentally friendly fuel as part of the EU’s response to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO₂). Diesel engines are “lean-burn”, meaning they use less fuel and more air to get the same performance as a petrol engine. So, while diesel fuel contains slightly more carbon (2.68kg CO₂/litre) than petrol (2.31kg CO₂/litre), overall CO₂ emissions of a diesel car tend to be lower. In use, on average, this equates to around 200g CO₂/km for petrol and 120g CO₂/km for diesel."

Trucks, buses, trains, ships and even planes will need to stop using diesel, petrol and avgas, as well as coal fired power stations, if we're going to see any meaningful reduction in emissions. ...This will happen over the coming decade.

I'm disappointed in Land Rover of late too, but hopefully their stated commitment to all new vehicles from 2020 onwards being hybrid/electric will go a long way to winning me back. A V8 Defender certainly wouldn't.

All best wishes to you and your family. ...enjoy the V8 while you can!

Cheers

Congrats on the twins mate...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Congrats on the twins mate...

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X2

Friends of ours had two sets of twins in three yrs,now that was,and still is,a bit of work.[biggrin]

All fun and games.

Congratulations mate ...









(on the Y62 [thumbsupbig] )

Congrats on the twins! A mate has twins and he always tells them "so, which one of you was unplanned".... His wife goes nuts at him!

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Originally Posted by uninformed

And maybe he was already frustrated / upset and put out by his fairly new expensive vehicle having a fairly major breakdown and not knowing the further potential damage. It can really upset people and then any dealings in that immediate moment won’t be their best.

his ego was damaged and he probably would have reacted that way to any brand of vehicle.

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Propably just suprised that someone acutually stopped to offer assistance........

Oh and contrats on the twins