Y62 patrol

**1nando** · 25th February 2018, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

Sorry mate. That video just shows he’s a flog.

That Disco didn’t accelerate. He just kept his pace.

I haven’t found a hill yet I can’t hold my speed up towing... and I sure don’t chew the fuel at the rate he was doing that.

Enjoy your vehicle... but those sort of videos are just naff.

Your probably right but correct me if im wrong but the HSE has 600nm and 180kw?

Assuming those figures are correct then the Patrol has 40nm less but 120kw more; therefore if both vehicles were going up a steep hill towing the same size trailer then its a fact that the Patrol will pull a lot harder everytime. Im not trying to put down the disco 4 in anyway, its a great car and if land rover had a new one to sell at the right price at the time of me purchasing i would have bought one but unfortunately they went to the d5 and that was it for me.

Your right on the consumption, yes it will be sky high during that foot to the floor thrashing heavily loaded up a hill compared to the d4. A petrols consumption to do the same or more work will always be higher but over time i think the gap of running each vehicle closes. A naturally aspirated v8 petrol doesnt really have that much that can go wrong. A turbo, injectors or pump failure over time in a diesel would pretty much make the running costs a lot closer than what people claim and often forget about.

As for towing software; i agree that its great however the patrol weighs 200kg more and has a longer wheel base so all it really needs is air bags in the rear. Is the d4 better at towing? I dont know cause i havent towed with it and i havent towed with the patrol. If the d4 is better at towing is the patrol that much worse? I doubt it cause its a extremely large and solid platform.

In the US they absolutely love the 5.6 gas in the titan and armada (patrol). They are also very highly rated for towing.

Anyway hopefully the next defender is good and sorted in 5 years so when the patrol lease expires i can get back into a defender

Ps hes almost at 7000GCM during that video

**Eevo** · 25th February 2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by 1nando

Your probably right but correct me if im wrong but the HSE has 600nm and 180kw?

Assuming those figures are correct then the Patrol has 40nm less but 120kw more; therefore if both vehicles were going up a steep hill towing the same size trailer then its a fact that the Patrol will pull a lot harder everytime

err, can you explain that one for me please.

Tombie · 25th February 2018, 09:05 PM

They claimed much the same with the D4 vs the Toyota V8. On paper the D4 doesn’t have it.

In the real world the D4 flogs the 200..

One thing I would like to see is the dyno figures from both D4 and Y62..
More about driveline losses and how the power is put down vs outright paper figures.

I’ve driven the Y62 and it’s a nice bus...

**bee utey** · 25th February 2018, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Eevo

err, can you explain that one for me please.

Quite simple really, the Patrol will rev harder and therefore pull harder so long as you rev the tits off it.

**Eevo** · 25th February 2018, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by bee utey

Quite simple really, the Patrol will rev harder and therefore pull harder so long as you rev the tits off it.

when it comes to towing, aka weight, i thought torque was king.

the kw would be useful for getting a run up, assuming you can get one and willing to break the speed limit

**bee utey** · 25th February 2018, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Eevo

when it comes to towing, aka weight, i thought torque was king.

the kw would be useful for getting a run up, assuming you can get one and willing to break the speed limit

In consistent SI units, torque multiplied by revs equals power. Example: a torque wrench can produce more torque than your engine yet develop no power as the revs are zero.

Practically speaking, you have a gearbox which is a torque multiplier. Say you are driving foot-to-the-floor at your torque peak in direct drive (=4th in a D2). Then change down to a 2:1 reduction gear (maybe 2nd gear) You are no longer at the torque peak but say have 20% less torque available from the engine so the output of the gearbox is 1.6 times peak engine torque. Your engine is therefore outputting 1.6 times the power (80% x 2) as it did at the torque peak. Therefore it goes that much harder. Torque drops off quite rapidly at higher revs as the engine runs out of breath or it is limited by the ECU. What accelerates the car is torque at the wheels which is a multiple of the available engine torque depending on transfer ratio, gear chosen and friction losses.

Tombie · 25th February 2018, 10:45 PM

**Eevo** · 25th February 2018, 10:52 PM

so ur saying the more power = larger rev range = can drop back a gear and get more torque by a better gear ratio?

**uninformed** · 25th February 2018, 11:45 PM

hahaha I love it! its like your arguing over 8 inches and bigger .... whos bloody complaining with any of these. Go drive a Tdi defender towing same vans.

I could literally watch the grass growing as driving up Cunningsham Gap

All top vehicles. Id be scared to own the RR but dont have the knowledge/skill JC has.

**Eevo** · 26th February 2018, 12:55 AM

8 inches.. speak for yourself. 10 inches here.

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