Oh, Gawd, here we go again with another thread on Brown's Gas.
Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .
Hydrogen Fuel cell/ Joe cells with Landys
hydrogen fuel
Time to get the popcorn.....
This post certainly does not fit with bio fuels but is relevant in terms of efficacy and efficiency.
Does HHO work/assist in any way....the answer is categorically yes. There are many stories circulating on the net and some very outrageous claims being made...let me tell of my experience over a number of years.
My vehicle is a 2001 Range Rover P38 4.6L petrol HSE. Fuel consumption around town runs an average 18L/100k and on the highway around the 14's+ , these averages have been consistent over about 100,000kms WITHOUT the hydrogen cell.
With the cell turned on, running pure (filtered town) water with a dash of caustic and about 15 amps, consumption is on average about 14's+ around town and about 12's on the highway. These figures over about another 100,000kms.
I won't go into specifics of the design but essentially I run a dry cell with a pump through 5 platinum coated titanium plates and a PWM (pulse wave modulator) to control current and provide a clipped DC voltage. Intake is straight into the air filter box and the system is tied directly to ignition on.
All of the components are designed and made/assembled at home by myself and a good mate (who also ran one on his identical P38).
Our experiences are very similar...low power is markedly improved (such that you can tell if the fuse on the cell has blown) and we have estimated an average improvement on fuel consumption of roughly 15%.
Now be assured I am not selling anything here (and have no desire to do so), I am putting this out there simply to point out some real world experience with HHO with no frills attached and I am quite happy to 'discuss' this with anyone who would like to perhaps try this for themselves.
As I said, there are some outrageous claims being made out there, usually by people selling something....but be assured, in all the BS there are some truths.
A short experience with diesel would suggest that the overall improvements (especially with older engines) is quite significant.
G'day to all the techo's.
Bob
Oh, Gawd, here we go again with another thread on Brown's Gas.
Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .
Hydrogen Fuel cell/ Joe cells with Landys
hydrogen fuel
Time to get the popcorn.....
Ron B.
VK2OTC
2003 L322 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA
RIP Bucko - Riding on Forever
I've found more:
Hydrogen
Any one good in chemistry?
hydrogen fuel
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-...-hydrogen.html
Hydrogen Generator
Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-ch...ogen-fuel.html
Another fuel sving con!
More snake oil?
It's about time we put this one to bed, shot it, cremate it and spread the ashes.
Good luck Bob. A few years back I asked a question similar to has anyone any experience with this type of set up and was absolutely inundated by responses from arm chair warriors. I cant recall anyone saying they have tried it for a length of time. I for one would be most interested in your experience with diesel to save dramas could you pm me details . Baz
Dave
"In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."
For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.
Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
TdiautoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)
If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
If you think you're in front on the deal, pay it forwards.
I apologise for upsetting the flat earth society....but I do have a further words. Don't knock it until you have tried it and for the scientific and chemistry guys out there, it may be of interest that the before and after exhaust emissions tests suggested that a cleaner and more complete burn took place. And I didn't do those tests.
However, at the end of the day we will believe what we want to believe, right or wrong.
Bob
Bob, if you can find even one single certified testing facility report that shows the benefits of Hho gas machines, do post it up. No-one out of several tens of thousands of hho enthusiasts has yet to do so AFAIK. An unevidenced report from a layman or two simply won't convince anyone who isn't already convinced.
Over to you.
You would know more about the flat earthers than I but I would like to emphasise, I would love to believe in these HHO generators, however, all the proponents of these HHO generators have not been able to supply me with verified data obtained through repeatable testing performed by a NATA accredited testing facility.
Until then, it's just snake oil.
G'day Mick. Couldn't agree more and I would love to do the NATA testing but having been down that path on other matters one has to have deep pockets....that I don't have. I am not trying to prove to anyone this works and would be reluctant to spend my hard earned just to do that.
We started down this path many years ago being just as skeptical as many others on these pages. (both ex military weapons systems and electrical techo's with combined experience getting awfully close to 100 years) Started with just simple stainless steel knock up experiments...they worked albeit rather poorly. So we moved on to other materials and introduced pulsed DC modulation etc etc, and got good results and..(according to us) some success. But as you say, despite technical backgrounds, any success is purely anecdotal without hard independent data.
I don't feel slighted in any way that people don't believe although I did feel a little stung by some of the comments posted. But I am certainly not in the business of slamming anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs as me and you can bet your last buck that I am not a snake oil salesman.
I live in Canberra and if you are ever down this way, I would be more than happy to show you the system and chat over a coffee, my shout.
Cheers Bob
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