B100 & TD5 Experiences

that would depend on the nature of the fault and this is bordering onto thread hijack territory...

If you know the systems of an engine well enough you dont need the computer to diagnose them and the defender td5 does not do "lockdowns" as soon as you repair a fault thats triggering the check engine and putting you out of action it will let you go with full steam again.

the disco can but the lockdown problems are usually related to the immobilizer and alarm system.

The kicker is this. anything thats out of someone whose semi handy with the spanners and knows the basics of diesel suck squeeze bang blow can fix it and what will stop both you and the country greaser is parts regardless of the engine presented.

Take a Rave Cd with you and the catalog from fourwheel drives in melbourne and with a half decent workshop I reckon I could build you a td5 from nothing up, install it and get you running again. Anywhere, and so could any other greaser who reckoned they knew how to change the piston rings on a 4 stroke lawn mower.

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Originally Posted by lardy

so if i was to go up north (W.A.) or the kimberly for example i had say a naturally aspirated landy or say a turbo diesel landy or toyota and a td5 lined up next to each other, and a similar fault occurred that was beyond my capabilities.
Which vehicle would you suppose an old boy country mechanic would be able to cope with?
I guess the least technological of the bunch that has always been my concern, being left high and dry

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Lets say your TDI timing belt snaps and does the head in...

How technical do you want to be now?

Nonsensical argument.... There can ALWAYS be something that goes wrong that you cant fix on the track

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Originally Posted by zelko

Hey lardy

Actually Landrover developed the TD5 and BMW put the finishing touches on it. A TD5 running without bells and whistles, I can't see that working, it would be like fish and chips without the fish. With the TDI in a 130 body, didn't they already come out with them in the early series ?????
Cheers

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No, Actually your wrong...

The TD5 was always a LR product, I have the factory data on its development and there was no BMW involvement in its creation.

Interestingly the comments from some of the pro bio guys shows the confusion in their argument.

You say you have no issues, yet you use more to achieve less.

You say it doesnt affect the engine and its fuel system...

Yet, you proclaim more filter changes....

You claim it doesnt harm the injectors, but how often do you drive, how far on BIO, how often do you tow, how long have you been running on purely BIO (no odd tanks of Dino etc)

Do you have test data relating to the damage the injectors may or may not be seeing? Over what distance, what load? What time period?

Also, simply put, making BIO in a residential area is in breach of 99% of councils by-laws...


I've said it before and I'll say it again...
"Landrover is a green company. It is in their best interests to have a greener product than the opposition. This is the new 'catch cry' of a modern, brain washed society that believes that were all carbon nasties.

To suggest that the answer is because they dont care is ridicuous.

The technicians do test these things, and have a lot of problems with Bio in CR and Unitary injectors.

A large number of TD5 failures have been in Bio Countries like France."


Now, if you, on your own vehicle, wish to take the risk/choice of running a home grown bio fuel in your vehicle, then feel free.

But, I would be VERY VERY careful if I was you, telling someone that running the TD5 on Bio is perfectly OK... Because its NOT.

Bio diesel is a gutless fuel for a modern type diesel, uses more to do the job, makes the engine work harder (wear factor) and uses hazardous chemicals in its creation (where do you put all them once your finished?)


And the wonderful world kicker.... There is material proof that the growing of Bio Crops is now reducing overall food supply in large portions of the world.... Where once rice and grain were grown for food, now Canola etc are grown for BioFuels....

There has been several documentary shows covering the pro and con of bio... So far it doesnt win...

I would suggest from my experience that i have the following info on my use of bio: my old tractor does no longer smoke, the issue with fuel filters is derived from the deposit left by the diesel usage, so in effect the you are cleaning your tank and injectors from years of this coating,it is true to say that if we have depleted most of our oil to the point we are at now, then bio will not stop us going dry as without lubes the conbustion engine has had it.
bio is purely a greener method of fueling diesel engines and rudolf diesel when revealing the diesel engine for the first time wasn't running on diesel he was using a mix of stuff. i would not run a td5 on bio as i don't know anything about the engine as i have a bah humbug approach to the new fangled thing but would not have a drama running 300 tdi or nat aspireated on it.i personally have increased my mileage or k'age by 150 k's.
my viewpoint would be that bio may well be excellent in a bullet proof na lump as that is my experience to suggest it's gutless is nuts as if made to perfect specs it has a higher setane than diesel, i understand you don't like the stuff but what are you going to do if oil does run out?
i reckon on that basis car values would be about nil.
i understand your arguement but think we should be a little more open minded to options as i said it is not the be all and end all but an option

Could you explain what you mean by using more to achieve less, I am confused by this question.

With you second statement that we use more filters, yes we do BUT only for the FIRST AND SECOND as to rid of all the crap that is left in the tank and fuel system by Dino diesel, after the second filter is changed you go back to normal fiter change intervals.

The TD5 that my mate drives has been running on 100% BIO for almost 12 months now, he drives it every day and on the weekends he tows a tandem trailer around collecting used vege oil from his customers, combined total of trailer and vege oil is a minimum weight of 1000 kilos.

Your next question about data, we don't have any data on this issue, we feel that there is to much data that contradict each other so we don't read them, we make our own minds up by doing our own tests which is run the car, if it runs ok then fine, if it stops then find out why and fix the problem, you may not agree with this way and we understand that.

We are in the Brisbane City Council and thier by-laws state that you can make and store upto 500 litres of Bio and oil at any one time which is no problem as my mate sells Bio as quick as he makes it. He has also had the EPA out and they have no problems with it.

You say that technicians have lots of problems with bio in CR and Unitary injectors and that a large number of TD5 have failed in Bio countries like France. If you have documentation from them that states that these problems were caused solely by using 100% BIO NOT a blend but 100% BIO then it would be much appreciated if you could show us all.

If Biodiesel is made to specification then it actually has a higher setane than diesel, but saying that yes in some cars they do lose some power but in diesels you look for more torque than power and we have found in my TDI and in the TD5 that the torque is different then when using diesel, if you come to a hill and using diesel it tends to be hold at the bottom of the hill but drops off by the time you get to the top but running on Bio it is less on the bottom and holds on better towards the top, as I said this is in our cars.
Our cars are actually are better on fuel consumption then when they were running on Dino diesel.
Biodiesel has more lubricity then Dinodiesel so I don't know how you come to that conclusion.
The chemicals we use is methenol and pot ash, which once you finish the cracking process then the by product you are left with is glycerin which is a soap, you can extact the methenol by another process to be able to use it again, the glycerin is great to use as hand wash, degeaser, and cause it is biodegradable you can even put it on your garden great for the soil.

I would like to know what you mean by being VERY VERY careful, this forum is for people to have a say on subjects that are brought up by others and if someone has a different opinion then others then I think they are intitled to it.

I think we should agree that we disagree on this matter.

mate totally correct on all counts but i couldn't be bothered to argue with peoples pre-conceived idea's thought i would outline the basics,
interestingly enough if you take some of your filtered oil and heat to probably around 50 you can soak the s@@t out of the filters and use them again, though again have only done it with na engine and not a precious td5

There is a guy at work who was pro bio, he ran his non land rover product on B20 from new.........
























until he has recently had to replace his injector pump. $$$$ he no longer screams that not using the signage about not using Bio is a government conspiricy funded by the oil companies.

For the record I would use it, cautiously and as a last resort in an appropriate engine.

that is interesting, but we don't now the whole circumstance and he was not producing it himself,he was buying it from a servo i take it? we cant be sure of the quality of the fuel just because it's b20 doesn't mean its bio its a 20% mix also i am aware that the banjo sometimes has a round sieve kind of filter under it and if the actual fuel filter is a cheap generic one it can lend itself to allowing crap from there transferring to the injector pump.
Just cos fuel comes from a servo doesn't guarantee quality unfortunately, and i had previous experience of dino diesel making the old tractor run like a bag of old pants, i guess that there are instances that would escape the norm as in life.

I to had problems with dinodiesel way back before running on BIO, didn't that make the car run like a bag of ?, and that was from a BP servo. There was a servo from NSW also that was caught and fined for mixing kero with diesel and calling it BIO, that was a few years back, so I agree you can't guarantee you are getting good fuel from servos these days. They ( the oil refineries ) won't even tell us what additives they put in diesel to make it suitable to run on it.

Least making your own you know what goes in it.