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    total cooling system overhaul

    hi guys.

    i went of road at the back of kwinana the other day, following a mate who "knew where he was going" long story short we went down a big hill and couldnt get back up


    i know for you lucky and experienced guys with big lifts and diff locks that looks like childes play but it took me and my mate a good two hours to get back up it

    doing so in the boggy sand and high load-no air flow driving my poor old rangie got hot, very hot. which is expected as i have no fan shrowd, thermo fan wasnt working, coolant was water and as i found out the rad was blocked.

    so iv had a big alloy rad and some thermos that i grabed of a poor old rangie that was getting wrecked a while back, that had a 383 holden lump in it and that was staying cool aparently so it should have no trouble keeping my little 3.5 cool




    so i started to rip it apart

    took a hour or two and i decided to take the a/c condencer out as my ac has no pressure in it and the condencer was rooted and in the way, now i have to decide to try and fit it back in with the big rad and thermos or just leave it out, but i do hope to get a/c in her at some time, hmmm.

    went to do the thermostat as im trying to get the cooling system 100% and found these two, they were much worse when they were attached but even as they are they wouldnt get bugger all flow


    new thermostat in now, had to make my own gasket, the hose on the left (pic) i managed to get bang on with a vt heater hose from repco but having no luck with the "s" bend hose that goes to the thermostat housing, iv got a edlebrock inlet manifold (i think?) and not sure if this "s" bend hose is the same as other rangies? if so where can i get one?. now the other thing is the metal pipe (pic below)that the hose on the back of the water pump goes into (not the thermostat housing) it seems to go under the inlet manifold, does anyone know where that ends up? as it feels loose and im scared (if its a crimped fitting on to the block?)that it may be about to brake

    now im debating on whether to do the waterpump, fan and viscos coupling or not. they seem to be working ok befour but just like to know its 100% heres the w/p pully

    anyway thats it for me this weekend as im waiting on parts and trying to decide what to do with the waterpump, a/c ect.

    iv drawen up a thermo fan wiring diagram as others wernt exactly what i wanted, ill post it up so yous can look over it incase i blow something up haha.

    cheers, andy
    p.s this is my first time trying to upload pics so fingers crossed.

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    heres the thermo fan wiring, im by no means a expert with computers so i cant figger out how to wright on it but ill give you some explanation.

    fuses to fans 30A
    fuses to switches/relays 15A
    4 point star= ignition +12
    6point star = coolant temp switch
    3 wire switch gives me "on""off""auto"
    2 wire switch gives me the option to run fans while ignition is off (incase i overheat again)
    5point star = led warning light when the two wire switch is on (dno if ill use it, just a thought, will need a diode or something to work anyway)



    any thought/improvements/safty hazerds please feal free to say
    cheers, andy

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    So we're just doing one temp to turn on/off?

    A better way to do it is the ford method, with 2 temp switches, a change over relay and 2 standard relays. Essentially you use the change over relay to divert the fans from series to parallel.

    http://omgpham.com/mystuff/s15-thermofan.jpg

    That is a link to a diagram- ignore the control unit part- the 'dual thermo switch' would be the two switches you use for high and low temp. This setup is much better- as you can use less current and regulate your temps much more efficiently. You can put in whatever switches you want to over-ride or shut down the fans in that circuit.

    I am doing almost the same thing with my truck- however I am using a control unit made by flex-a-lite. Uses PWM to vary the speed from 60-100% and has various inputs for a/c, over ride, water crossing etc.

    Also, with your waterpump, you can use a later model pump with the thread on viscous coupling to give you some more clearance infront of the engine. I had to do this to fit my shrouded thermo fans.

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    decent thermos and fan shroud will make a heap of difference mate!

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    For the hoses... measure the diameter of whatever they go onto, - BOTH ends...

    Get a piece of wire and bend it to the shape required.. visit your local Super....p and just go through their hoses till you find one that contains the bends and angles you need.

    You will never find a use for the off-cuts if you keep them, but if you chuck 'em....

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    i know for you lucky and experienced guys with big lifts and diff locks that looks like childes play but it took me and my mate a good two hours to get back up it
    mmm, sand
    did you try letting your tyres down?
    15psi good place to start in sand

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    the pipe under the inlet manifold goes to the heater. At the rear of the manifold should be two pipes that go through the bulkhead to the heater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roverv8 View Post
    mmm, sand
    did you try letting your tyres down?
    15psi good place to start in sand
    yes , i let them down to 20psi, didnt want to go two low as you can see there is a very sharp right hand turn befour the hill that you have to take fairly fast to get up and as i dont have a spare wheel at the moment i didnt want to run the risk of rolling the tyre off the rim as my bush mechanic skills arnt good enough to get it back on i would think. it was fun after, when i knew i wasnt going to be stuck there for the night but at the time it was a tad worrying. but in the end they both made it up in about the same amount of tryes. even though the patrol had lsd, a much fresher motor, wasnt kicking you out of gear in the transfer box CONSTANTLY and wasnt over heating? haha.

    thanks peewee, its obvous now that you say but had me stumped haha,

    cheers, andy

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    I am pretty sure last time I needed thase small hoses for a carby model I used the under manifold hose of a Holden Gemini or Rodeo. It was long, the right diameter and had an unbelivable amount of bends and twist in it. Cheap too.
    I just cut it up into what I needed.

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    I would like the thermos more if you made up a shroud to fill in the gaps around the fans. Eg like the falcon fans.

    That is if they are pullers, which they should be.

    Regards Philip A

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