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    RRC - Enhancing Traction Options?

    Well, I'm 12 months ahead of myself having just spent the kids inheritance on my bucket list TD5 modded 1994 RRC LSE softdash.

    I want to improve 4 wheel traction ideally to get close to my D2a with trutracs (plus standard D2a TC, CDL etc).

    The RRC has the BW viscous coupling (recently overhauled) and hopefully Daves magic will soon mean a fully functional EAS hopefully just needing a replacement wiring harness, which in turn should get drivers electric seat and mirrors working again. The EAS is currently working in part, but the newly fitted replacement bags are individually lifted manually via a separate control box.

    I have no idea yet of the interaction between the BW VC and rear only TC, but understand the front axle assembly is an open diff.

    At the least, I would like to fit an ashroft ATB or trutrac to the front. I am not that keen on air lockers, especially for the front and like the seamless all road automatic operation of the front trutrac and no requirement to fit HD axles etc, even at the expense of some traction loss/interference from ABS or whatever, remembering that this is a touring vehicle, not a rock climber.

    I would be interested in any suggestions/advice. Cheers Gavin
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    My long term (very long term) plan is Ashcroft ATB's front and back. The rear will work nicely with the traction control and the front will help even without TC.
    Before then I'll have my 93 body and EAS sitting on my 85 chassis which already has a 4BD1T, Isuzu 5sp and LT230 with disco 24 spline axles.

    BTW seats and mirrors are corrupted by the same ECU under the drivers seat for memory of the seats and mirrors. A memory battery leaks and corrodes through the tracks. My fix thread here: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/classic-ra...-question.html

    The Borg Warner case is purely mechanical and works quite well; but if you're bringing across a D2 engine, just bring the LT230 with it.

    But remember. RRC's beat almost everything else for traction already because they keep their wheels on the ground. How many upgrades do you actually need? For me the ATB's are not on the "need" list, it will be a complete self indulgance.

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    "...Self indulgence....... is good"

    (no apologies to Gordon Gecko)

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    Thanks Dougal. Good to know ATBs can be fitted front and rear. Yes the ATBs are more for additional peace of mind. Might never be "needed" but will be great peace of mind/insurance for borderline cases.
    I bought the RRC with 1999 D2 TD5 and originally 4HP22, then 4HP24 already fitted/operational. Too late to fit a LT230. I'm assured it already has the 24 splines fitted (standard for 1994?).
    appreciated the link and have copied relevant info.
    Your system will be excellent.
    Cheers Gavin
    D4 MY16 TDV6 - Cambo towing magic, Traxide Batteries, X Lifter, GAP ID Tool, Snorkel, Mitch Hitch, Clearview Mirrors, F&R Dashcams, CB
    RRC MY95 LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    It's never too late to fit an LT230. But a rebuilt BW should be good for the next 100,000km or so anyway.

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    There's really no correlation between the etc and cv, they'll just do their own thing in their own time.

    You've 24 spline axles (started in 93). Ashcroft atb diffs are the cheapest and have good reviews. Bare in mind the atb diffs wont appropriate torque under engine braking.

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    G'day again - can you expand a little on your comment "Bare in mind the atb diffs wont appropriate torque under engine braking" for this dumbo please?
    I have trutracs in the D2a and they are excellent - albeit they have been tested more under uphill power, rather than downhill braking.
    D4 MY16 TDV6 - Cambo towing magic, Traxide Batteries, X Lifter, GAP ID Tool, Snorkel, Mitch Hitch, Clearview Mirrors, F&R Dashcams, CB
    RRC MY95 LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    The engine-braking thing is not an issue, just means that the ATB behaves on overrun (or engine braking) same as an open diff.
    I wouldn't be going to the trouble of replacing a wiring harness unless you have identified a specific issue with it; the seat & mirror ECU will be affected by a dead battery in the ECU which enables storage of memory function, a replacement battery can be had for about $20 and needs to be soldered inside the ECU which is under the driver's seat.
    The EAS is most likely kaput due to a worn-out compressor. The systems develop small leaks over time which cause the compressor to run more than it should & subsequently wear out or burn-out the temp cutout; overhaul kits for the compressor are readily available but failure will occur again unless the whole system is de-leaked. The EAS valve body can be overhauled with a kit of o-rings for little cost, I'd highly recommend doing this, plus replacing the o-rings where the lines go into the air springs (included in above mentioned kit) and trimming the ends of the hoses so a fresh surface is presented to the o-rings.

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    Thanks POD. Good clarification.
    Actually compressor etc should be good - complete system was recently overhauled before I bought the beast - but our local excellent Solihull trained lad will suss it all out before I go over the pits for WA rego.
    Superquag has kindly offered to get me a seat battery along with purchasing his, so good insurance, and even if all OK, I'd want to replace it after 19 years if its original.
    D4 MY16 TDV6 - Cambo towing magic, Traxide Batteries, X Lifter, GAP ID Tool, Snorkel, Mitch Hitch, Clearview Mirrors, F&R Dashcams, CB
    RRC MY95 LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    My RRC does not suffer from traction issues but rather front flex hassle.
    But on your d2 what is the point of truetrac [locker] and electronic traction control wouldn't one or the other be better 'sorry shift key failing to work for question marks'
    CDL plus truetrac would kinda work against the traction control system would it not [question mark]

    Cheers
    Vm

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