Don't need to Land Rover already re-engineered the vehicle and removed the Boge unit but never admitted it was the cause of many roll-overs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davo
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Don't need to Land Rover already re-engineered the vehicle and removed the Boge unit but never admitted it was the cause of many roll-overs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davo
Never really took time to understand how they really worked......I reckon the one on my two door worked really well. It was rebuild or replace just prior to the rangie was given to me.
I reckon it was the reason I ditched the load levelling bars thingies on my old pop top caravan.....not sure whether I should have continued using the bars
After fitting them for 15 years, the engineers eventually improved the rear suspension. I'll refrain from speculative opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
The Boge Hydromat was original equipment for a long time and doubtless, tested extensively.
As an owner who has no intention of over loading the rear end, and enjoys the marshmallow ride, it's unlikely I'll experience a roll-over.
I'll take my kinetosis as it comes :D
The boge was only removed when a large front sway bar was introduced. This was after engine power and speed increased considerably over the originals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Until then the boge was the only way to keep rear roll stiffness that much softer than the front roll stiffness.
Yes you are free to do that, but as an owner of three classics, including a 1985 I still have, owned since new and having experienced a rollover I am free to maintain my opinion too.
Remember Land Rover lost a multi million US dollar case about the instability of the suspension system and about the same time they removed the Boge. Does that say something?
I've also owned three. Currently own two including the 85 with boge that I drove 350km in yesterday over winding roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
The 85 when I got it had the diagonal weight transfer problem I mentioned earlier. I fixed that with a new front axle and it has no stability problems.
There are certainly fewer rolled rrc's than discos and the disco didn't have the boge.
What was this lawsuit? Haven't heard about it.
could it have possibly been driver error? :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Have you ever driven a Renault 16 ? Sensibly or.... 'enthusiastically' on windy roads? - They roll like a drunken sailor, even in comparison to a (Boge) Classic.
- And that's just backing out of the driveway. :eek:
Personally, I love the marshmallow ride of the Boge, far nicer than my EAS '95 Vogue on H/T tyres. (Have driven both extensively, the 'Boge used for towing 2+ tonnes)
Driver skill and appropriate expectations are significant. The fact that you can Go Very Fast in a Classic never means that you always should, depending on conditions.
Speaking of roll-overs caused by design defects.... the early VW Beetles were far less forgiving of weight-transfer in corners than the Chevy Corvair. The aspirations and behaviour of their respective owners were significantly differant....:angel:
Guess which one Ralph Nader went after?
PS, I've been told that the 'Boge Classic will out-articulate the later, air-suspended one in the Really Ruff Stuff. High speed highway is in favour of the 'bags. Open to correction here, as I've never had a 'Boge off-road.
My 74 came with a 2" lift and no Boge. Rear springs stiffer than stock, ride was firmer than a stock RRC with less roll.
When it got its 'colour change' (new body) a Boge went in with the same springs.
With this set up the Boge is undetectable driving around. The exception is when it is loaded to the gunwhales, previously would sit right down at the rear but with the Boge installed and working it doesn't sag anywhere as much.
So they are not totally redundant with a lift, but polyairs might be better.
Some might find this take on a Boge 'conversion' of interest:
Range Rover Boge to coil conversion
cheers, DL
Cars don't roll over, they trip over, literally they need something to trip the back tyres, the tyres lateral traction gives way (they slide) long before enough grip is generated for gravity and the CofG to take over.
The cars can't just go flop on their side.
In other words, rear roll stiffness has nothing to do with a roll over.