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    Quote Originally Posted by Rok_Dr View Post
    Gavin

    I strongly suspect that the weights are US market only, given your notation that the manual refers to the North american market and dimensions are all imperial measurements first. Towing capacities often change depending on the legislation of the particular country.

    I just had a dig through my archives and found the scan of the Australian owners manual for the MY94 Softdash Classic, I used to own and it states 3.5t

    Cheers

    Steve
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    Weird. It is supposed to be the manufacturer that determines criteria, not the destination.
    cheers.
    MY16 D4 TDV6 - with a little Cambo magic for towing "The Brick"
    MY95 RRC LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" (turning circle comparable to QE II) with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants. Back home Nov 22 after a magic overhaul by Chivalry
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto Classic and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by cripesamighty View Post
    Check post number 15 on this link. Limited use, low range - tow weight on a RRC is 6 tons.

    Towing a heavy camper - tow ball weight

    Ta. Yep, I was aware the early data was 4,000 kgm. Now to confirm what is the real limit for the 95 LSE, as opposed to a 100 standard - not that there should be any difference as outlined in Steve's (Rok Dr) post.
    MY16 D4 TDV6 - with a little Cambo magic for towing "The Brick"
    MY95 RRC LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" (turning circle comparable to QE II) with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants. Back home Nov 22 after a magic overhaul by Chivalry
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto Classic and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rok_Dr View Post
    Gavin

    I strongly suspect that the weights are US market only, given your notation that the manual refers to the North american market and dimensions are all imperial measurements first. Towing capacities often change depending on the legislation of the particular country.

    I just had a dig through my archives and found the scan of the Australian owners manual for the MY94 Softdash Classic, I used to own and it states 3.5t

    Cheers

    Steve
    Attachment 137542
    Thanks Steve - as already posted - weird that an LSE or a NA destination should be any different.
    MY16 D4 TDV6 - with a little Cambo magic for towing "The Brick"
    MY95 RRC LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" (turning circle comparable to QE II) with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants. Back home Nov 22 after a magic overhaul by Chivalry
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto Classic and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by gavinwibrow View Post
    Weird. It is supposed to be the manufacturer that determines criteria, not the destination.
    cheers.
    Not necessarily, state and country regulations will override the manufacturer any day. Look at our ADR’s and some of the new technologies which get delayed due to legislation being slow. The USA is particularly bad/conservative in this regard. Towing weights can also be fiddled by the manufacturers, often it’s as simple as changing springs, Engine tuning or transmission. All the dual cab manufacturers are playing this game here ATM.

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinwibrow View Post
    Thanks Steve - as already posted - weird that an LSE or a NA destination should be any different.
    Don’t over analyise it. I am 99% certain that an LSE will have the same 3.5t capacity as a std soft dash and should tow a tad better given the longer wheel base. As to the USA a small amount of googling will bring up posts from other forums where USA owners have questioned why they have lower towing capacities compared to the rest of the world. For the classic rangies.

    cheers

    Steve

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    PS. Just had a closer look at the handbook, I pulled the page from earlier and it referencees both the LSE and the std wheel base, so in Australia the LSE has the same towing capacity.

    welcome to a PDF copy of said doc when we catch up next.

    cheers

    steve

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    G`day ,

    in your softdash handbook look in general data and it will give 750 unbraked , 3500 over run brakes and 4000 with continuous/semi/ coupled brakes . Long and short both . Offroad - 750 .1000,1000 .

    Only difference with earlier is 500 unbraked On or Off .

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    But in Australia the load capacity is set mainly by the permitted load on the towbar.
    That is why they have a plaque.
    if you exceed those values you can be booked or refused an insurance claim if it is found the download on the towbar is more than allowed.
    Thus my comment on the two types of (Hayman Reese ) towbars that used to be available. I only found out when I bought one sight unseen and found it to be this enormous and heavy assembly which didn't fit with a long range tank.

    And you can be sure that the caravan adjusters know all about it. I know a bloke who told me some hideous stories, like the time he walked into the wreck of the van and as he walked back it dipped to the ground.

    Regards Philip A
    I don't know about later ones but the 91 manual was clearly just a British manual with fuel consumptions at 75MPH etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    But in Australia the load capacity is set mainly by the permitted load on the towbar.
    That is why they have a plaque.
    if you exceed those values you can be booked or refused an insurance claim if it is found the download on the towbar is more than allowed.
    Thus my comment on the two types of (Hayman Reese ) towbars that used to be available. I only found out when I bought one sight unseen and found it to be this enormous and heavy assembly which didn't fit with a long range tank.

    And you can be sure that the caravan adjusters know all about it. I know a bloke who told me some hideous stories, like the time he walked into the wreck of the van and as he walked back it dipped to the ground.

    Regards Philip A
    I don't know about later ones but the 91 manual was clearly just a British manual with fuel consumptions at 75MPH etc.
    Agree with you fully Philip.

    I had one of those HD towbars on my 74, the thing weighed a ton. Went to scrap because the draw bar was rusted solid in the frame of the thing.

    Years later I came across a genuine LR one that is very compact and has the additional bolts to the chassis like the old HD one. It's about 1/3 the weight. Plated RR / Discovery max 4,000 kg.

    The original owners manual for the 74 only mentions 4,000 kg max capacity. The old Haynes I have is the only place I've seen the emergency use 6,000 kg figure...........max speed 30km/h.

    cheers, DL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rok_Dr View Post
    PS. Just had a closer look at the handbook, I pulled the page from earlier and it referencees both the LSE and the std wheel base, so in Australia the LSE has the same towing capacity.

    welcome to a PDF copy of said doc when we catch up next.

    cheers

    steve
    Ta. Or just email to normal addy gavinwibrow at westnet dot com dot au
    MY16 D4 TDV6 - with a little Cambo magic for towing "The Brick"
    MY95 RRC LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" (turning circle comparable to QE II) with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants. Back home Nov 22 after a magic overhaul by Chivalry
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto Classic and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLR View Post
    G`day ,

    in your softdash handbook look in general data and it will give 750 unbraked , 3500 over run brakes and 4000 with continuous/semi/ coupled brakes . Long and short both . Offroad - 750 .1000,1000 .

    Only difference with earlier is 500 unbraked On or Off .
    Cheers, but that was the whole point of this post. My documentation says something different as per my original post, which started alarm bells as my brick is almost 3.5T. With the various comments here, I'm now a lot more comfortable and just about back to square 1 (conventional AU wisdom) before I read the potentially misleading NA/USA stuff.
    MY16 D4 TDV6 - with a little Cambo magic for towing "The Brick"
    MY95 RRC LSE Vogue Softdash "Bessie" (turning circle comparable to QE II) with MY99 TD5 and 4HP24 transplants. Back home Nov 22 after a magic overhaul by Chivalry
    SADLY SOLD MY04 D2a TD5 auto Classic and MY10 D4 2.7 both with lots of goodies

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