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    swivel grease

    Hi guys,

    I've never changed (or checked ) the swivels in my car. Its a 92 model so has grease filled swivels. DOes anyone know what the grease actually is ? ( so I can just buy a container of the stuff rather than small packets).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Hi guys,

    I've never changed (or checked ) the swivels in my car. Its a 92 model so has grease filled swivels. DOes anyone know what the grease actually is ? ( so I can just buy a container of the stuff rather than small packets).

    seeya,
    Shaen L.
    Its a mixture of an LMM grease and diff oil I think 50/50 but im not 100%. Ive been using just LMM with no issues yet, ive been meaning to pour a bit of diff oil in with them also.

    Cheers Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRJim View Post
    Its a mixture of an LMM grease and diff oil I think 50/50 but im not 100%. Ive been using just LMM with no issues yet, ive been meaning to pour a bit of diff oil in with them also.

    Cheers Jim
    Thats what ive used in my series vehicles. Lmm and 85w140. I overfill the swivels a bit too as i have FWHs. No leaks and no problems yet in 12 yrs.

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    Now that is interesting. This one is supposed to be greased swivels.... ie: greased wheel bearings. There is evidence of oil running down the back of the tire ( weird given it has been sitting for a couple of years) and yet there looks to be thick black grease at the top when I pull the filler plug out. The housings have filler and level plugs by the looks of it, so that should make life easier.

    I'm betting some put oil in there (that leaks) so they also put grease in there I'm guessing I will flush the thing. Put the equivalnt of one shot in there..... Then throw a seal kit through it if it still leaks.

    I might give the LMM grease and diff oil mixed together a go ( I wonder if they seperate out and I'll just end up with grease and oil and the ground

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    Pretty sure the wheel bearings are fed from the diff oil, swivels are isolated.
    That's how it works on my pos.

    DL

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    looks like the swivels do the wheel bearings and everything on the earlier RRC ... this being a 92 has different drive members/CVs and the wheel bearings are sealed away from the oil so they are greased.

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    Modern Junk:
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    Well if you overfill the diff on a 74 or 81 RRC it'll leak.




    All over the inside of the tyre. Usually LHS

    No way the swivels oil the wheel bearings in any of the above units I have.

    Pure EP90 comes out if I take the drive flanges off but I use 50% grease in the swivels.

    Can't comment on a 92.

    DL

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    If in doubt look up the workshop manual.

    Originally the swivel houseing (front CVs) were oil filled.

    350ml of Hypoid gear oil - SAE 80EP or SAE 90 API GL4.

    Certainly later there was the option of using one shot CV grease in there and in my early Discos I put the one shot in and filled up a bit more with oil and works fine. In a good unmodified axle, the swivel pin housing is isolated from both the diff oil and the wheel bearing by seals.

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    thanks guys,

    I hadn't understood how it all worked. Looking at the housings shows me you actually fill the entire housing including CV joint with oil!!! No wonder both of the cars here haven't leaked from the swivel .... the dman things are EMPTY. The last one I got had a rusty cv joint that was shattered when I got it home (so it had been running with empty swivels for probably a decade!). Are the CV joint really lubricated with oil ? That is what the housings appear to show.

    So the really early cars look like the wheel bearings, swivels and CV's were running in the swivel oil. The later cars have the wheel bearing isolated by seals and have a separate drive member.

    How dumb was I to never realise these suckers were running empty I bet they leak horrendously when I put some oil/grease mixture in there!

    That is interesting about overfilling the diff. That must allow oil past the axle seal to overfill the swivels. This one obviously has good axle seals as the swivel would be wet with gearbox oil otherwise.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    Proper cars--
    '92 Range Rover 3.8V8 ... 5spd manual
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I :burnrubber:
    '63 ID19 x 2 :wheelchair:
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas
    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual :zzz:
    '11 Poogoe RCZ HDI 6spd manual

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    thanks guys,

    I hadn't understood how it all worked. Looking at the housings shows me you actually fill the entire housing including CV joint with oil!!! No wonder both of the cars here haven't leaked from the swivel .... the dman things are EMPTY. The last one I got had a rusty cv joint that was shattered when I got it home (so it had been running with empty swivels for probably a decade!). Are the CV joint really lubricated with oil ? That is what the housings appear to show.

    So the really early cars look like the wheel bearings, swivels and CV's were running in the swivel oil. The later cars have the wheel bearing isolated by seals and have a separate drive member.

    How dumb was I to never realise these suckers were running empty I bet they leak horrendously when I put some oil/grease mixture in there!

    That is interesting about overfilling the diff. That must allow oil past the axle seal to overfill the swivels. This one obviously has good axle seals as the swivel would be wet with gearbox oil otherwise.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    No, no, no.

    The swivels are isolated from the diff oil.

    The swivel hubs on the ones that used to be lubed with oil have a square headed (9/16?) filler plug top front AND a level plug with about a 1/4" square head halfway up towards the front pointing inwards a bit just below the steering stop, usually hard to see cause they're coated with crap from leaking ball seals.

    LR switched to one shot grease at some stage because it is hard to stop this leakage for any length of time (like a week).

    Dunno if the later ones using one shot grease have a level plug or not.

    The diff oil (at least in 74 and 81 RRC's) lubes the wheel bearings, which is the main reason they last so long.

    cheers, DL

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