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    Well that's not good ...

    For the last week, something hasn't quite been right with the old ****box. First thing of a morning, I'd back up, then as I went to leave, there would be a "jump" almost in the driveline... and everything would then be fine. Now, given its all gear driven ( r380, lt230 ...) this was strange. Last night I went to pull out of my drive .... to find a gearbox chock full of neutrals ... hmmmm



    It looks liek the gearbox, clutch and transfer case are all working. high and low "feel" to engage fully (ie: the grub screw hasn't slipped down the shaft on the selector). Neither of the ouput shafts are spinning ... The diff lock makes no difference. The only thing I can think of is the output shaft ... Its only a few years since I checked that ( when fitting a LT230) and it looked "as new". Can anyone think of anything obvious I'm missing ?

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    How does everyone else move these cars around if they can't move themselves? They just don't roll with all the drag of the transfer case and two diffs

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    The push 20cm ... get out check car .... move steering wheel.... push another 30cm .... get out check, adjust steering ..... etc ..... for ages sure does get old quickly

    I've decided the best way to move stuff around could be something like an ALDI winch mounted to a hitch receiver cradle. You would just mount a hitch receiver to the car trailer, ramps ... .and anywhere else you might need to drag from.... and just fit the winch when needed.

    Anyway, the transfer case is nearly out, I'm just trying to drain the oil so I can undo the four gearbox -> transfer case bolts and release it ..... Either way, I'm pretty sure I know what is wrong. the damn oil doesn't want to drain, its like trying to drain honey..... I've just been out going through the cupboards with oil containers in them and found 90-140 axle oil. I must have had this in the pump last time I filled the transfer case.... not gearbox oil ARRRRhhhhhh..... No doubt the gearbox output spline will be stripped as its been starved of oil, especially when cold.

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    Well if you ever wanted to know what happens if you run a thick oil in a transfer case without a cross drilled input gear .........





    its bone dry .... what there has the consistency of thick grit filled grease.
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    Oh dear!
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    Every time I use my 'pump' (modded hills pump up garden sprayer) I finish with it empty to avoid this stuff.

    I admire your determination Shane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Well if you ever wanted to know what happens if you run a thick oil in a transfer case without a cross drilled input gear .........

    its bone dry .... what there has the consistency of thick grit filled grease.
    Don't quite understand what the transfer case oil has to do with the output spline as the spline is outside the case.
    My understanding is that the spline only needs to be greased as there is virtually no relative movement between the two splines on the shafts.
    Why it failed?
    How many miles since being greased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keijo View Post
    Don't quite understand what the transfer case oil has to do with the output spline as the spline is outside the case.
    My understanding is that the spline only needs to be greased as there is virtually no relative movement between the two splines on the shafts.
    Why it failed?
    How many miles since being greased?
    That doesn't sound right. I haven't pulled it down yet to see how its lubricated. I'm assuming splash lubrication (which there isn't much of if the oil is very thick).



    If you look at the gear itself (aftermarket replacement). Look at those nice big oil feed holes cross drilled into it

    The borg warner transfer cases had cross drilled input gears (I looked into there with a torch when I replaced them) and the output shaft splines were like new. The replacement LT230 I used didn't have a crossed drilled input gear..... And its trashed the splines in probably 4-5 years.
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    Wow ... I gotta say, I'm bloody flabergasted. I was just about to whip the LT230 gear out to make sure I ordered the right one ...... I was just checking the output shaft on the automatic in my shed was fine (it is, perfect splines). So I measured them to compare to the R380 ..... so I could move it over ....................................

    UNBELIEVABLE ..... The output shaft of the R380 doesn't appear to unbolt. YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE MAIN SHAFT

    I was thinking I'd have this thing back together by next weekend by throwing a new input gear into the LT230 ..... But good grief.... I'm looking at a HUGE amount of work and money. The gearbox has to come out and be completely rebuilt ..... What sort of clown makes a wear item not replacable
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    I don't think it was designed to be a wear item!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    I don't think it was designed to be a wear item!
    well... traditionally its a well known problem. I have been reading up trying to sort out what to do, and these R380 boxes should have an LT230 with a cross drilled input gear, and an extra oil guide fitted ( as a recall fix .... they were supposed to paint a yellow triangle to flag the work had been done.

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    I know the borg warner transfer cases had a cross drilled input gear (that was probably well fed with oil) as the automatic I have here features unworn splines

    I'm thinking the way forward is to buy a 5spd disco 1 parts car .... and repair these bits down the track when I have time. The only issue is I can't find any disco 1 5spd parts for sale anywhere
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