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    Wet front floor

    Hi Guys,

    I don't quite understand it.... I've had the carpets out for "a bit" until I get around to fixing up the center console and interior. The front floor on the drivers side keeps getting wet. Its not from above as there is no signs of water staining. Its like its coming through the door seal out the bottom (how on earth would this be possible?). I'm scratching my head on how to fix this, as it appears to come from nowhere

    any ideas ?

    seeya,
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I don't quite understand it.... I've had the carpets out for "a bit" until I get around to fixing up the center console and interior. The front floor on the drivers side keeps getting wet. Its not from above as there is no signs of water staining. Its like its coming through the door seal out the bottom (how on earth would this be possible?). I'm scratching my head on how to fix this, as it appears to come from nowhere

    any ideas ?

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    Coming down the inside of the A pillar and out under the kick panel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Coming down the inside of the A pillar and out under the kick panel?
    that's a great suggestion. the kick panel is out and there is no signs of leakage from above. the seam sealer looks intact, and the drain at the bottom of the "A" pillar in open ..... Hmmm.... Maybe I just need to park the car outside and get someone to hose the door opening and see what happens. Its only a very small amount of moisture givne the rain we have had .... but wet is wet
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    Does the water come in with the car just standing in the rain (gravitational leak) or when it’s driven along (splash/wind pressure).

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I don't quite understand it.... I've had the carpets out for "a bit" until I get around to fixing up the center console and interior. The front floor on the drivers side keeps getting wet. Its not from above as there is no signs of water staining. Its like its coming through the door seal out the bottom (how on earth would this be possible?). I'm scratching my head on how to fix this, as it appears to come from nowhere

    any ideas ?

    seeya,
    Shane L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gavinwibrow View Post
    Jumping the gun, but don't forget that D2 (and presumably D1?) door rubbers will fit our RRCs
    I thought it was the other way round, D1 should definitely fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil 850 View Post
    Does the water come in with the car just standing in the rain (gravitational leak) or when it’s driven along (splash/wind pressure).

    Phil
    Now there is a good question. It hasn't been driven for a few weeks as the accelerator started sticking. (that's fun, the guy I bought poogoe parts from must have thought as I was nutter). His place is on a logging road, and his driveway is on a blind'ish corner. So I gave her a good bootful as I left to get some speed up incase a logging truck appeared in my mirrors ...... and that go pedal ..... on the floor she stayed. Did you know you can do two gearchanges with the throttle wide open while you frantically try to lift the "go" pedal off the floor Oh, the clutch *just* holds against that sort abuse too I did look into this on the weekend, it appears the pivot bolt must tighten itself over time binding the pedal.

    Anyway, it probably hasn't been driven for two weeks, so possibly? it might be from being driven.

    Either way I managed to poke a few holes in the floor. I've given it a good coat of rust paint, for now I'll just use some non-drying mastic and seam seal any gaps in the floor, and see if the moisture comes back. If all is ok, next time I'm here (lets say 2035) I'll weld a small strip of metal into the floor.

    Oh the door seal is torn too. It can blow cold air up from the bottom of the door as you're driving along. If air can get in ..... I'm sure moisture can ?

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    Shane,

    I recently discovered that the heater matrix in mine has a leak. no visible signs of ingress - and then the floor carpets only damp.

    pulled them out. blue coolant dripping out slowly after hanging them vertical for about an hour in the sun..... problem solved.

    only took about 2 days to clean the coolant out and dry them in the qld sunshine. Gotta be thankful for small mercies. Matrix bypassed for now.

    Hope you don't have similar - fwiw - not a single trace of moisture in the centre tunnel carpet etc which led me on similar investigative path to yours..
    Was after a huge downpour here that I eliminated the door seals and the cowl - and obviously the windscreen and rubber is only a few years old and not going anywhere, so that was an easy elimination.

    Holes in the floor - normal for an RRC. wouldn't worry until you are emulating the flintstones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercguy View Post
    Shane,

    I recently discovered that the heater matrix in mine has a leak. no visible signs of ingress - and then the floor carpets only damp.

    pulled them out. blue coolant dripping out slowly after hanging them vertical for about an hour in the sun..... problem solved.

    only took about 2 days to clean the coolant out and dry them in the qld sunshine. Gotta be thankful for small mercies. Matrix bypassed for now.

    Hope you don't have similar - fwiw - not a single trace of moisture in the centre tunnel carpet etc which led me on similar investigative path to yours..
    Was after a huge downpour here that I eliminated the door seals and the cowl - and obviously the windscreen and rubber is only a few years old and not going anywhere, so that was an easy elimination.

    Holes in the floor - normal for an RRC. wouldn't worry until you are emulating the flintstones.
    I put a new heater core in this one last year ... BTW: The modern replacement have nowhere near the capacity, I reckon the original has a core that is 1/3rd larger. This one is only wet along the outer side of the floor.

    I've just spent a day pulling out the half built console and trying to weld the broken plastic crap back together as I'm tired as driving the car around with it in bits. Who knows, I'll get back to that console in maybe March ... 2030
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    So one of the things the windscreen guy told me about RRC's in his experience was that the windscreen seal mastic over time can harden or become brittle, and at the top of the roof at the front there are a couple of bailey channel drains. I recall him telling me that they were a source of ingress, which could migrate all the way down the a pillar and rust it out internally if it got bad enough.

    When we pulled my windscreen out for a new replacement, I noticed some minor a pillar rist hidden by the seal, and it was in the lower corners of the windscreen -
    but that wasn't the issue.

    the issue was that LR use a chunk of mastic to seal a panel gap at the bottom of the a pillar, where it joins the firewall. There is a gap almost 10mm wide on both sides, and a gaping hole that leads directly to the footwell.

    I'm not suggesting this is your issue - and if it were, then it's a case of windscreen out to remedy, and preferably dash-out as well. I remember seeing it and thinking at the time a real WTF moment. The shoddiest engineering I'd ever seen - and it wasn't rusty - it was a gap with dried up cracking mastic floating between the ends of two panel pressings.

    I'm sure I have pictures of it somewhere... I wasn't what you'd call a happy camper about it.
    The resolution at the time was installing the windscreen and new windscreen seal with urethane (sikaflex) and obviously I'm much happier as a result.

    But it only works as a preventative for those bailey channel drains causing rust at the join of the roof and the top of the windscreen.
    The roof is only sealed with butyl tape and that's also stretched further than it should have been from factory.

    There are many potential ingress points, but if you have holes in the floor, just pull the carpets and use rubber mats and let it drain naturally

    Yeah I know that didn't help much. But be aware of other potential ingress points that aren't where you'd normally examine.

    Roads?.. Where we're going, we don't need roads...

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