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    Not everyone should be allowed tools

    As you may know, I have bought an LT77 to replace the auto in my 82 RRC.
    When I purchased the LT77 I told the vendor that I was converting an auto to a manual and can I have the flywheel, clutch and all other components needed for the conversion, which he gladly agreed to.
    Today I thought I would clean the clutch fork, pivot and sundry parts to see if there was anything worn or missing.
    Here are the parts assembled.
    8DDED7EC-C473-433B-A7AC-DB747CCE1A41.jpg
    I noticed that the clip on the fork did not actually hold it to the pivot ball.
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    I’m sure this is not how the engineering folk designed it.
    From further investigation of my parts books there is a nylon cup and retaining washer missing (which I have now ordered).
    But I took a close up photo showing a spherical wear mark in the edge of the recess in the clutch fork and a shiny patch on the pivot ball
    CCB0038B-EAAB-4F5F-88B1-E305C161583E.jpg
    Clearly, it had been assembled by someone and operated for some time for that to develop.
    One would expect that there would be additional free play in the system with a long clutch pedal travel.

    Makes you wonder about the car hertling down the freeway beside you and the condition it is in !

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    I wonder how many others picked that my RRC didn't have a working clutch on a trip across NSW many years ago. The clutch cylinder seal had failed on a week-end and I didn't know that a Sigma wheel cylinder seal was the same until ordering a kit from a local brake supplier once home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil 850 View Post
    From further investigation of my parts books there is a nylon cup and retaining washer missing (which I have now ordered).
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    Parts arrived today.
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    And assembled and all fits together without any free play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    I wonder how many others picked that my RRC didn't have a working clutch on a trip across NSW many years ago. The clutch cylinder seal had failed on a week-end and I didn't know that a Sigma wheel cylinder seal was the same until ordering a kit from a local brake supplier once home.
    Yes, been through that experience on a few occasions in the 75 RRC that I had except Sydney peak hour traffic.
    Idle up to traffic lights in the hope that they change before you have to stop.
    Start in first gear on the starter motor and then match the engine revs to the gear your going into next (both up and down). Surprisingly not that hard to do.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil 850 View Post
    As you may know, I have bought an LT77 to replace the auto in my 82 RRC.
    When I purchased the LT77 I told the vendor that I was converting an auto to a manual and can I have the flywheel, clutch and all other components needed for the conversion, which he gladly agreed to.
    Today I thought I would clean the clutch fork, pivot and sundry parts to see if there was anything worn or missing.
    Here are the parts assembled.
    8DDED7EC-C473-433B-A7AC-DB747CCE1A41.jpg
    I noticed that the clip on the fork did not actually hold it to the pivot ball.
    540D2F5F-2A9F-4BDC-9D3A-093B8642CF41.jpg
    I’m sure this is not how the engineering folk designed it.
    From further investigation of my parts books there is a nylon cup and retaining washer missing (which I have now ordered).
    But I took a close up photo showing a spherical wear mark in the edge of the recess in the clutch fork and a shiny patch on the pivot ball
    CCB0038B-EAAB-4F5F-88B1-E305C161583E.jpg
    Clearly, it had been assembled by someone and operated for some time for that to develop.
    One would expect that there would be additional free play in the system with a long clutch pedal travel.

    Makes you wonder about the car hertling down the freeway beside you and the condition it is in !

    Regards
    Phil
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    Hi Blokes,
    Just a quick one on this subject and I will would consider my spleen fully vented afterwards.
    I have found from experience with rebuilding these machines that yep, there are a lot of issues such as what you are finding, with mechanical repairs, electrical mods etc.
    Bu I do hate having to do any panel work on any of these vehicles as they have in all cases never been put back the way they were built. Bolts are missing, metric bolts and nuts used where they should be imperial, self tapping screws used to replace the mechanical bolts that have been lost during the strip down, etc, etc.
    One example was when I had the rear quarter panel replaced on my Disco 1 (many Years ago) after six months of the job being completed by the panel beaters it was showing signs of corrosion.
    Upon investigation I found that they had replaced the panel without and insulating material between the alloy panel and the steel subframe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick M View Post
    One example was when I had the rear quarter panel replaced on my Disco 1 (many Years ago) after six months of the job being completed by the panel beaters it was showing signs of corrosion.
    Upon investigation I found that they had replaced the panel without and insulating material between the alloy panel and the steel subframe.
    DOH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil 850 View Post
    Yes, been through that experience on a few occasions in the 75 RRC that I had except Sydney peak hour traffic.
    Idle up to traffic lights in the hope that they change before you have to stop.
    Start in first gear on the starter motor and then match the engine revs to the gear your going into next (both up and down). Surprisingly not that hard to do.

    Phil
    Had had the same issue a couple pf years ago in my SV21 Camry. Near Bankstown the clutch refused to disengage. I still had over 100km to go to the Central Coast, quite a bit of which was through Sydney.

    I became fairly skilled at idling up to the traffic lights to avoid having to stop.

    On the occasions I didn't time it right, like you, I started in gear in 1st but went straight to 4th to reduce the number of gear changes. The engine was flexible enough to make that possible.

    At the end of the trip the collapsed clutch needed replacement but the gearbox was fine.

    However i found it much harder than when I used to do it regularly in a Series II. A quiet engine that picks up revs very quickly isn't ideal for that exercise.

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