Borg T/Case help

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21st September 2008, 08:56 PM
rovercare

I'll have a good second hand unit available from tomorrow $300 plus frieght:D
21st September 2008, 08:59 PM
justinc

Mike, you can replace the viscous unit, the front output shaft and bearing with the case in the vehicle, about 1 hour from start to finish will be plenty.

JC
21st September 2008, 09:28 PM
mike 90 RR

Quote:

Originally Posted by rovercare

I'll have a good second hand unit available from tomorrow $300 plus frieght:D

Now you've got my head scratching .... Is it the same as the one below??

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Originally Posted by justinc

Mike, you can replace the viscous unit, the front output shaft and bearing with the case in the vehicle, about 1 hour from start to finish will be plenty.

JC

Brilliant :) This is good news

The ID plate on the Transfer case is as follows

Borgwarner
13-61-199-005
Kenfig
West Glam.
UK

Model number .... 13-61-005
Serial number .... 005-04399

Can you tell me how you describe what it is??? (as you folks keep saying LT230)

I actually have a RAVE CD (1 & 2) .... but it appears to be for a 1995 RRC ... I think I have bought the wrong one .. Will have to most probably order another

Mike
21st September 2008, 09:33 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by mike 90 RR

Dave .... Luv the offer,, but your on holidays ;) ... Don't have a problem with doing it ... Have access to hoists, etc ... Just need to settle in on "What is actually the problem" before shelling out dollars (not in the wrong areas)

Where are you going? .... is it Fishing swimming or drinking or you just have to see our lovely white beaches :angel:

I dont fish... its my one token effort at being a greeny I like to dive and look at them... but other than that.. Im coming home for xmas, got some minor spannering lined up, meet my latest nephew (yep Im an uncle) with a little luck I'll get down to snorkle hopefully dive the jetty and heaps of other stuff, Might even con the old man into putting lara through her paces.
21st September 2008, 09:34 PM
rovercare

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike 90 RR

Now you've got my head scratching .... Is it the same as the one below??

Brilliant :) This is good news

The ID plate on the Transfer case is as follows

Borgwarner
13-61-199-005
Kenfig
West Glam.
UK

Model number .... 13-61-005
Serial number .... 005-04399

Can you tell me how you describe what it is??? (as you folks keep saying LT230)

I actually have a RAVE CD (1 & 2) .... but it appears to be for a 1995 RRC ... I think I have bought the wrong one .. So I dont trust it ... Will have to most probably order another

Mike

I pick it up tomorrow, but its a BW Tx for a classic rangie, it will be the same

A VC BW Tx is NOT an LT230 as fitted to classic RR's from 84 till 88 and discos
21st September 2008, 09:46 PM
mike 90 RR

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Originally Posted by rovercare

I pick it up tomorrow, but its a BW Tx for a classic rangie, it will be the same Do you mean it has a Viscos in it ... or .. it is a manual lock??

A VC BW Tx is NOT an LT230 as fitted to classic RR's from 84 till 88 and discos

I didn't think it was a LT230 .... Just didn't know how to describe mine (VC BW Tx)

Will drop the tail shaft Monday night and then go from there
21st September 2008, 09:52 PM
mike 90 RR

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I dont fish... its my one token effort at being a greeny I like to dive and look at them... but other than that.. Im coming home for xmas, got some minor spannering lined up, meet my latest nephew (yep Im an uncle) with a little luck I'll get down to snorkle hopefully dive the jetty and heaps of other stuff, Might even con the old man into putting lara through her paces.

If you have a boat .... You should go to the back of Garden Island / North end ... Heron Bay ... Lovely reef in a sheltered bay .... Lots to see
Heaps of vessels park up there for the weekends

I take it that you want to drive to Lancelin / Wedge again :)
21st September 2008, 09:55 PM
rovercare

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike 90 RR

I didn't think it was a LT230 .... Just didn't know how to describe mine (VC BW Tx)

Will drop the tail shaft Monday night and then go from there

VC=Viscous coupling
BW=Borg Warner
Tx=Transfer

The BW Tx case has a VC inside and is chain driven, also its passenger side drop in the P38:eek:

Lt 230 has the manual centre diff lock
22nd September 2008, 09:44 PM
mike 90 RR

Tail shaft off

Well ... got home after work and took off the tailshaft
The tailshaft bolts on the T/C side don't come out so I put spacers & nuts on it to keep them bolts tight

Well ... went for the drive .... and Yep .... No vibration ... :)
Car drove like it should do .... Full power in drive train .... No slip from the Viscos

I drove it real carefull and applied gradual power .... No vibration / No slip
I also tried put the foot down hard .... No vibration / No slip

I can hear "Low level" gear & bearing noise // The kind of noise level that only A daily owner driver would hear ... So not screaming noise .. But it's there

The "gear & bearing noise" appears to come from the center of the car // right where the T/C case is

The T/C oil is also "Brackish" in colour .. instead of the red colour of tranny oil
I had changed this oil 1 year ago

I also put my hands around the bearing areas of the case to feel for bearing heat .. None to be found
The brake drum was also stone cold ... so it's not that at least :)

SO ..... What would be your thoughts ???? as my idea at this stage is to Rip the T/C case apart on Friday night ;)

and I am NOT looking forward to having to unbolt or cut the exhaust pipes to get them out the way :mad:
22nd September 2008, 11:56 PM
LOVEMYRANGIE

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Im going to have to double check my raves for the details of the BW case but from memory the drive works the same as an LT230. The last chain unit I had apart on a rangie was modded with a diff and lock in it in the same general configuration as the LT230 and it was out to replace the diff unit.

In case Im wrong....

If its a direct chain drive to the rear output shaft and the VC is simply connecting the front to the back then 30 mm of movement at the circumference of the drum would be a bit excessive but I wouldnt call it fatal.

If it drives through a diff setup like the 230 then the slop is a bit more than nominal but ID let it go.

The propshaft does have to be properly aligned also. There is a specific key location in the slip joint.
If you need references, I have the factory workshop manuals here for it. I can either scan the relevant pages or..... gulp... loan them to you....:(

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