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easy way to check, check the data plates on the vehicle.
thats what you have to go of, that or the manufacturers hand book.
the manufacturers hand book for the GS perentie is...
EMEI Veh G 100
there is also a UHB number for it which gets you exactly the same document.
Round and round we go.
The user manuals are written by the army not the manufacturer. What we are looking for is a document by Land Rover (JRA) and so far through all of these discussions no one has produced one. Therefore the RMS document ( for NSW) provides guidelines for such cases.
A similar example might be an ex rental trailer from a fleet such as Kennards. The fleet operator has documented that no trailer may be towed in excess of 80kph. So if I buy one from a disposal sale can I only ever drive at 80? I don't think so.
Or in the case of the Land Rover 110 the user has told me I can tow 1200kg unbraked! That is illegal I am sure.
And one more thing. I have been over the data plates on my vehicle and have not found one stating towing capacity or GCM where would one be located?
When you do find such documents, please pass them along, only then will I tow my Caravan or jeep on the car trailer.
And without those documents in NSW I will tow inaccordance with th RMS document that sets out what is the maximum as tare weight x 1.5 or 2250 x 1.5 = 3175kg
As confidently as you state 1200 kg l say 3175kg
i say you will be on shakey ground and leaving yourself open for possible grief in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by rathgar
Unlike most vehicles where the specifications are set by the manufacturer, the Perenti was commissioned by the Army to be built to the specifications stipulated by the Army not Landrover, so the tow capacity is as specified in the Army documentation - unless you get it engineered differently.
Tow at 3175kg at your legal peril.
Garry
I wont be on shakey ground because I will continue to investigate the issue. But given that I wont accept that a user produced document is the same as a manufacturers. Unless someone here has more documentation then the answer lies elsewhere.
The manufactures ......Landrover specs for the 6x6 perentie is only 1500kg or there abouts and is in writing from from the factory and not army.
Sorry if we cannot not give you want you want to hear.
I have no info on the 4x4 perentie which should be less than a 6x6.
And theres the money shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrycol
for rathgar...
there isnt an ubraked in service trailer that has a design GVM for the trailer of over 750KG, every trailer that goes over 750KG has at a minimum over run brakes fitted to it and while yes, the perentie will quite easily move in service trailers with much higher weights than this its not designed to because it doesnt have a braking system fitted that can operate the brakes on the trailer.
on paper the tow pack fitted to my disco is good for 3500KG, it doesnt say anywhere on the tow pack that I have to have brakes fitted to it to do so it just says I can pull a 3.5T trailer..
Id love to see a copy of the user manual that you have that tells you you can tow 1200kg unbraked because that means you've skipped past the associated documentation part of the manual that tells you to refer to SOVO's and other emeis that then stipulate what and how you can and cant tow.
The MAX GCM for the 4x4 variants of the perentie is... 4.5T. which means if you have one of the heavier variants (RFSV, RSV, FFR W/Winch) you loose the ability to haul trailer mass.
let me give you a hint. Get a copy of the UHB for the variant you want/have in it is a liability number, dig long enough and hard enough and that ties into all the documentation that ever existed for the variant from the design spec to as delivered SCES, Equipment Kit SCES, RPS, EMEI, AAP, Block Scale, and SOVO's.
Let me save you a bunch of effort and give you the same answer that you will arrive at once you have dug all the way through everything.
the Technical Documentation tells you what the vehicle is rated for and that detail came from the design specification of the vehicle. The Perentie is, while similar to, not the same as the civvy 110's and therefore are a different kettle of fish because it was built to a set of design specifications given by the customer, NOT what the manufacturer wanted to build. Its this simple fact that you're overlooking because you want to have an answer thats more to your own liking.
The only way you can legally tow more than a 1200KG Trailer (which must have at least over run brakes fitted) is to dig into your pockets and pay an engineer to respec the vehicle with a blue plate (or whatever is equivelent in your state) with a higher GCM and higher permissible towed load.
Remember if you want more than 2000KG trialer GVM you also have to fit command brakes of some type. and yes, conveniently there is an easy way to do this by tapping the ACC feed in the trailer socket and the brake light feed for a brake controller, theres even a couple of spare pins in the trailer plug you can use. all of this is accessible by removing the protection panel behind the RHR wheel that has all the fittings for the rear harness.
the 6x6 from memory the 6x6 was good for 2T towed on road and 1.5 cross country. I dont have the 6x6 UHB/EMEI's in front of me right now.
Blknight;
Please dont get me wrong I'm not trying to be difficult just using this forum to investigate the issue and I appeciate the input from the knowlegable peope here, but what is needed to ensure that there is no "shakey "legal ground is hard proof. That is what I seek to find.
I am not looking for an answer that suits me.
I understand fully the requirements for trailer breaking systems.
All the documents you have quoted are army documents (I dont really know what half the aconyms you have quoted are about).
What I am trying to point out is what is needed to be found is a manufactures document.
Ron;
You quoted manufactiures specs. Do you have and can you post that document?