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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    This weekend I will be adding an aux input to my base head unit' actually adding 3 in the form of 1 front ,1 rear and a spare input for a future mod.
    What did you do, just wire in some 3.5mm sockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by veebs View Post
    So I have the navigation / rear camera touch screen in my D4, but i don't get the details of the audio system showing on the smaller B&W screen near the speedo/tacho. Does anyone know if it's possible to add that somehow?
    I don't think that's something that can be "turned on", I don't recall seeing it as an option in the CCF anyhow. Usually things like that are in the actual software of the instrument cluster. Say for example it's different hardware & software in the instrument cluster of a 2010-2011 D4, vs. a 2012-onward, probably different again from 2014-onward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambo@oldjaguar View Post
    What did you do, just wire in some 3.5mm sockets?
    Yes, found some info on disco3 forum and a member here who did it to his D3. Just hooking into the factory wiring that is already there minus the socket.
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    Discovery Sport Speaker Upgrade with OEM options

    Hi All,

    First the bad news, the speakers i ordered from Ebay USA have been stuck in customs. Originally customs asked for more paperwork, but recently i found out that used car parts are not allowed to be imported into my country. Im down to a miracle (maybe they dont notice that the speakers are car parts?). Most likely they will be denied entry and sent back to USA, which at least means i will not be installing the midbass speakers anytime soon, perhaps if lucky sometime in the next 6 months...

    So after this heartbreak I did decide to go ahead and install the 80mm midrange speakers i ordered (brand new). I have only installed one of the two so far... here are some pics:


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    The original speaker is on the left, it is taller/deeper. I was not expecting this. Default speaker weight 193g, new speaker 161g (Should speakers be judged by weight? Probably not considering other factors that could influence weight). The default speaker does come in a bigger metal enclosure, so i think that might be the cause of a higher weight. At this point i was wondering if the the new part was an upgrade or a downgrade...

    20171026_205943.jpg
    It is not a 100% exact fit, the default speaker enclosure/structure has concave edges where the screws are placed, and the door card has some plastic parts which fit snug into those concave openings. The new speaker does fit, but you do end up bending the plastic when you tighten the screws. So i guess part of the speaker edges are not pressed snug against the door card? Im guerssing its not that big of a deal...

    20171026_205925.jpg
    Is the default speaker better than the "upgraded" part or not? I tried o compare by price but couldnt, I searched the part number of the default speaker but couldnt find de LR part number.

    Sound tests: I only got one speaker replaced so far, i think the new upgraded part sounds better, though this is obviously completely subjective. I think the new speaker has a broader range while the original sounds flat? Im no sound expert, but i think the original speaker sort of plays all frequencies it receives in a narrower range? Say the input is frequencies between 200hz and 10khz, maybe the ouput is "compressed" into 600hz and 8khz? So i do think the new speaker sound is broader/better, so far i would say potential improvement is somewhere between 10-30%... to be confirmed.

    I will be installing the second one later today or tomorrow and will update my sound test results... In the end after a couple of days of real world driving and listening to music i should have a final verdict.... cheers!

  4. #144
    Sorry to hear the bad news mvelasco. Hope they manage to slip your one through..

    Regarding the new speakers, it does look weird that the supposedly better version is smaller and lighter.

    Good luck on the other half of the install and take lots of pictures please. Might help me for future reference

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    That's a bummer about the customs problems...

    Regarding your concern about the speakers;

    The weight is not something to consider on it's own, the Meridian Signature speakers have a plastic frame which is much lighter than the metal one... also the weight of the magnet is not the whole story, cheap magnet can be twice as heavy, but only half as strong.

    The standard speakers are made in China, have a paper & rubber cone, cost about 20 cents to make and retail for $40

    The Meridian Signature speakers are made in Slovakia, have a kevlar weave cone, and retail for $60, they cost about $5 to make, not 20 cents like the Chinese ones.

    There is a reason they are used in the Meridian Signature system in the Range Rovers.

    Not a downgrade by any means...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambo@oldjaguar View Post
    That's a bummer about the customs problems...

    Regarding your concern about the speakers;

    The weight is not something to consider on it's own, the Meridian Signature speakers have a plastic frame which is much lighter than the metal one... also the weight of the magnet is not the whole story, cheap magnet can be twice as heavy, but only half as strong.

    The standard speakers are made in China, have a paper & rubber cone, cost about 20 cents to make and retail for $40

    The Meridian Signature speakers are made in Slovakia, have a kevlar weave cone, and retail for $60, they cost about $5 to make, not 20 cents like the Chinese ones.

    There is a reason they are used in the Meridian Signature system in the Range Rovers.

    Not a downgrade by any means...

    Thanks for the info Cambo. I do notice an improvement, but right now the bass is so muddy that it just dulls everything. Once i get the new bass speakers and the dynamat things should come to life. Still it is definitely reasurring to know more details about the upgraded mid-level speakers.


    Ive been researching some things and came across some interesting info. I noticed in the Infotainment General PDF from Topix, under section Overview, it says:


    InControl Touch 6 speaker audio system with integrated 4 channel audio amplifier
    InControl Touch 10 speaker 190W audio system with external 8 channel Audio Amplifier Module (AAM)
    InControl Touch 11 speaker 250W audio system with external 8 channel AAM and sub-woofer.


    Notice the 10 speaker setup mentions "... with external 8 channel Audio Amplifier Module (AAM)", it mentions 8 channels, same number of channels as the 11 speaker 250w system. Now on the wiring schematic, only six channels are shown as wired to the speakers (using crossovers to feed the full 10 speakers):

    AAMouts.jpg


    So what happened to the two left over channels? Also, looking at the wiring schematic for the 11 speaker system, the wiring shows 10 channels, one for each of the 10 speakers (there should be only 8 channels tho), no crossovers, an entire channel for a tweeter? and no channels for the sub? (unless im making a mistake, i think this is mistake in the schematic). Heres the pic:


    AAMout11.jpg


    Im thinking the 2 unused channels on the 10 speaker systems amp would typically be used to wire the sub. And the schematic for the 11 speaker system might be wrong? I have a hypothesis and it has wishful thinking written all over it... but could it be the same amplifier on both systems? Im thinking it wouldnt make sense for the dealer to have to rewire all the speakers just for a Sub upgrade would it?


    In any case, i've also noticed something that might have me pumped for a possible stage 2 upgrade down the road. Here is a picture of the schematics for "InControl Touch - 10-Speaker system" from the Wiring section on Topix.

    AHUouts.jpg


    Im looking at this, and im thinking that it might be possible to disconnect the stock amp completely, and install an aftermarket amp with speaker level inputs feeding off the AHU directly? The only thing that makes me unsure is the CAN+ and CAN- connections, which i have no idea if its just another sound input or if it does some other communication/functionality.

    Im sort of biased towards having only one amp after the AHU to avoid battery troubles. Do you think this is possible? Also, im thinking if the AMP sits after the AHU and in case the CAN + and CAN - is just another sound input, would a CCF modification really be necessary for changes at that point in the chain?

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    Upgrades Applied

    Hi All,

    Upgrades have gone in the last week or so. Some pics of the speakers, as you can see, very similar to cambos pics:

    speaks.jpgspeaks2.jpg

    I had the dynamat done, not exactly dynamat, i think this generic dynamat is not as thick but it still gets the job done. I didnt realize these doors have 3 layers where the dynamat needs to be applied, inside behind the speakers, on the layer at the speaker level, and on the rear side of the door card (forgot to take a pic of this). So yeah, plenty of the material is needed.

    doorbehind.jpgdoorfront.jpg

    I drove around with just the sound proofing for a couple of days, but without the new bass speakers. I must say it makes quite a diifference, all the resonance and muddyness is gone. It really makes you think how they can sell a car without addressing this issue. Dont know if this is just a discovery sport thing, but i cant help but wonder if these issues dont plague other LR vehicles.

    After installing the new bass speakers everything becomes a lot clearer. The sound is very crisp. the bass goes a bit lower, everything sounds cleaner, when you turn up the volume there is no distortion. All in all a great upgrade. Very happy with results. Its hard to put a number to theses things as there are many variables, i would give it a 100+% improvement, even my wife noticed a huge difference, and shes the type of person that doesnt think theres much difference between SD and HD tv.

    Edit: As cambo mentioned, these are a direct/exact fit, no mods necessary.

    If your planning on upgrading, i would suggest the first step is the dynamat. Im thinking without dynamat, putting in the jaguar speakers might actually make things worse with all the resonance and vibration.

    Next steps:


    • I had a car with a sub before and i know the difference it makes, i will be looking into this in the mid-term future. This may require a sub upgrade/replacement, some retrofitting or aftermarket parts, but ill be sure to let you know what happens in the end (Stock sub part number is LR061037, a new one goes for around USD 230, cant find the other number which helps find a used one on ebay. Also there is an amplifier: Audison Prima AP8.9 amp that seems like it would make a very sweet upgrade with no rewiring, tho it is expensive and i still have to analyze what i mentioned in my previous post)
    • The only stock speakers still in the car are the tweeters, which are the same as used in other jaguar/LR vehicles, not sure if i will upgrade these, meridian signature LR vehicles have titanium tweeters, but no idea if worth it, aftermarket silk tweeters also sound interesting...

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