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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade74 View Post
    It’s not about the Chinese government watching you it’s about them using them as Trojan horses to access all your personal details internally. School me on modern home security cameras please.
    Well, they will be thoroughly bored with the outcome. The most interesting stuff I have on my PC would be the video of my last colonoscopy. HD and full colour. Not to be missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteD3 View Post
    Well, they will be thoroughly bored with the outcome. The most interesting stuff I have on my PC would be the video of my last colonoscopy. HD and full colour. Not to be missed.
    Was thinking similar - only stuff on my PC is hours on unedited drone footage and some pics of my Land Rovers - they can knock themselves out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDB View Post
    Of course in Melbourne CCTV systems are defeated now by our mandatory mask wearing - need to put a sign up asking criminals to remove mask before entering property providing they have spent 14 days in quarantine first. D’oh!
    I know you are being facetious, but it's not all about the face. In fact in video evidence it's rarely about the face, particularly the bit covered by the mask. A good face is a bonus, but only part of the picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blade74 View Post
    It’s not about the Chinese government watching you it’s about them using them as Trojan horses to access all your personal details internally. School me on modern home security cameras please.
    Precisely, although it's not all about the Chinese government. These hardwired security holes get penetrated all the time, and they are awesome little linux boxes which make a great launch pad to the rest of the network. Doesn't take much in the way of additional info to facilitate ID theft.

    If you have CCTV on your network, just make sure it can't get to the outside world. Don't poke holes in the firewall to allow you to view them from outside. If you need to do that, set up a VPN endpoint and access them through that. Any of the providers that provide "cloud" access to their products rather than allow you to set up a direct connection leave you vulnerable. These providers and manufacturers prioritize features over security, and they get hacked often.

    Sure, you probably only have pics of your colonoscopy on you PC, never use it for internet banking, don't have any passwords saved in your browser and use random 16 digit passwords for everything, but I bet there's a medicare number or patient number somewhere along side those colonoscopy videos.

    Just try to minimise your attack surface. "Daahnt wurry lad, it'll never 'appen" until it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    I know you are being facetious, but it's not all about the face. In fact in video evidence it's rarely about the face, particularly the bit covered by the mask. A good face is a bonus, but only part of the picture.



    Precisely, although it's not all about the Chinese government. These hardwired security holes get penetrated all the time, and they are awesome little linux boxes which make a great launch pad to the rest of the network. Doesn't take much in the way of additional info to facilitate ID theft.

    If you have CCTV on your network, just make sure it can't get to the outside world. Don't poke holes in the firewall to allow you to view them from outside. If you need to do that, set up a VPN endpoint and access them through that. Any of the providers that provide "cloud" access to their products rather than allow you to set up a direct connection leave you vulnerable. These providers and manufacturers prioritize features over security, and they get hacked often.

    Sure, you probably only have pics of your colonoscopy on you PC, never use it for internet banking, don't have any passwords saved in your browser and use random 16 digit passwords for everything, but I bet there's a medicare number or patient number somewhere along side those colonoscopy videos.

    Just try to minimise your attack surface. "Daahnt wurry lad, it'll never 'appen" until it does.
    Many years ago my Medicare card number which I had for years all of a sudden wasn’t mine and it was someone else’s. I’m not sure how.
    Anyway I had to spend a period of time proving that it was mine and had always been mine.
    Not sure if that was just a stiff up by Medicare but I know numerous people who have been hacked and had stuff taken digitally.

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    School me on modern home security cameras please.

    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    I know you are being facetious, but it's not all about the face. In fact in video evidence it's rarely about the face, particularly the bit covered by the mask. A good face is a bonus, but only part of the picture.
    Fortunately dumb criminals refuse to wear masks - I had one person attempting to break and enter actually stare directly into my cameras oblivious to being recorded.

    But smart criminals know how to evade cameras - hence back up systems, storage to the cloud, and power supplies all become important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDB View Post
    But smart criminals know how to evade cameras - hence back up systems, storage to the cloud, and power supplies all become important.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but "smart criminals" won't be breaking into your premises, they'll pick the premises that don't have CCTV. A crim isn't going to tear your house apart looking for an NVR. They are going to inadvertently stumble across it and tuck it under their arm.

    A UPS? Always a good idea. Cloud CCTV storage? Go your hardest if it'll make you feel better, just remember to take into account that you've now taken your attack surface from "exposed to a local gronk" to "exposed to any bored teenager across the globe". This is a small introduction, although as an "ethical" site, they manually filter the published cameras to rule out anything domestic or sensitive. Insecam - World biggest online cameras directory

    Frankly if you were really concerned about NVR theft you'd be far better using cameras that also had internal storage. You store 30 days on the NVR and 4 days in the camera.

    We did a site a few years ago where they record"quite a few" cameras for over 60 days and wanted "full redundancy". That was "quite a bit" of storage. When we looked into the actual risks it was ascertained that ~3 days redundancy was enough as the risk they were trying to mitigate was someone taking out their primary storage. All that was required was enough redundant archive to figure out who did it and how they did it.

    Decent cameras have SD slots and can record to that in addition to the NVR. Sandisk now make some nice 1TB CCTV grade SD cards. That'd buy you nearly a month of archive on a 1080p camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    Decent cameras have SD slots and can record to that in addition to the NVR. Sandisk now make some nice 1TB CCTV grade SD cards. That'd buy you nearly a month of archive on a 1080p camera.
    So part of my setup as posted earlier is a camera above my elderly parent's front gate. This camera, being remote from my home and NAS drive, records to a micro SD in the camera. It emails me pics of anyone coming up to or through the gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BradC View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but "smart criminals" won't be breaking into your premises, they'll pick the premises that don't have CCTV.
    That’s certainly the objective.

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    School me on modern home security cameras please.

    Yeah, hopefully the cameras out the front make someone else’s place an easier target. Main reason I want to upgrade is because we have drug dealers near by - nice lads, they’re good for a lift of heavy things and happy to have a beer or two with them which means they leave me alone but there’s always a steady procession of traffic coming and going which I don’t know and I’m more wary of that.

    Have lived near 2 lots of dealers - actually both really easy to live near neighbours as they don’t like drawing attention to themselves and generally just out there to have a good time.

    1st lot I lived next door to when I was younger and, well let’s say much fun was had... School me on modern home security cameras please.

    Would take them both any day over some other neighbours I’ve had.
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