XP over and out

Yesterday Keith, who wrote the first computer programs for what is now Telstra, and now uses the Forbidden Fruit [Apple] :D , told me that one local shop is now selling XP that will run on a Apple Computer.

Though my HP Mini Laptop that has just Crashed [messages me, the fan is not working, and wont start] uses Windows 7, I definately prefer XP and will go back to it.

For Microsoft Word & Powerpoint I use the 2003 version. Do not like modern versions of these programs. I have never found a program I want that will not run on XP. The latest version of Linix as a seecond operating system on your computer may run programs that will not run under XP.

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Originally Posted by lewy

Our office still has quite a few xp's in use,The problem we are having is that the original hard drives are now nearly to small to handle the new software we use.Xp is fine for general office work.

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So either add an external harddrive, or put in a larger one.

Will be fun in China, massive XP population, mostly pirated, so no updates or patches. Imagine MS will offer them a bulk discount. At one point China was all hot for REd Hat Linux, but that seems to have gone quiet.

How about all the industrial PC's running embedded winxp? Robots, pumping stations, etc etc.

Until embedded XP these were running embedded win98. I had the displeasure of working with these as late as 2006. Brand new machines shipped with embedded win98.

No difference what so ever. End of life applies to them same as anything else.

From memory some releases of win xp embedded one release in 2005 and another in 2008 have an EOL of 2016 and 2019 respectivly

regardless the xp embedded tend to be very different from xp you have on your computers with a greatly reduced set of services running which in turn reduces the potential vuneruablities

ok did the compatablity thing, chuged away for an hour or so,
then i got do i wish to upgrade. clicked ok

not avalable in your country. ok so MS has never herd of australia then.


the arguments same same as when 95 came out, my dos programes will not run etc etc

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Originally Posted by Distortion

No difference what so ever. End of life applies to them same as anything else.

From memory some releases of win xp embedded one release in 2005 and another in 2008 have an EOL of 2016 and 2019 respectivly

regardless the xp embedded tend to be very different from xp you have on your computers with a greatly reduced set of services running which in turn reduces the potential vuneruablities

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End of life?
Nope, it's end of support from M$.

I can see industrial users getting really ****ed at having to completely overhaul the operating systems in only 10 years.

Yeah I get that is a ****ty situation and a complete waste

End of life is simply the term given. In sitatuations where some forms of compliance are required End of Support = End of Life particularly when it comes to computing software/hardware in a commercial environment.

I guarentee a company whose pumps/robots failed because of bugs/failiures in software/hardware that is outside of Support/End of Life by the vendor will really regret not keeping their gear up-to-date. Most companies will factor this all in however and if they haven't the person responsible for acquiring the gear didn't do their job correctly

The problem with industrial hardware is you usually get no choice of operating system.
Brand X robots comes with Brand Y operating system. The computers which run this software are embedded into the electrical control system. There is no quick and complete interchange as there is in an office or home environment.

It's never a case of a system failing because the operating system is out of date. It's however a huge problem to keep everything in a plant on a consistent system. If you replace one unit and it now has a completely new operating system then stuff gets messy really quickly.

I can see M$ strategy here driving many more industrial systems towards linux or even simpler PLC systems with no third party operating system.

Embedded systems probably never update at all unless done by a visiting tech "upgrading the software". Having seen the chaos caused by failed updates I hope so. Many embedded systems aren't even connected to a network and are pretty much a one trick pony.
Of course the manufacturer can use it to squeeze more money for new equipment out of you....