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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post


    its busily rebuilding as we type

    its almost as interesting as watching paint dry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    its almost as interesting as watching paint dry
    Or fixing annoying Windows Update issues!
    (registry problems apparently).
    Windows Update service was using up 70-80% CPU time(daughter's little school tablet/laptop thingy).
    I reckon about 3 hrs of applying fixes(there's a Windows Update fixer-upper tool) that needed to be run about 10 times to sort whatever issue out.
    Then of course the glacial application of Win Update multiple times with the multiple reboots that go with it ..

    Watching 'pain dry', or NAS RAID rebuilding processes is positively riveting, nail biting excitement! ... compared to fixing WinUpdate issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post
    Or fixing annoying Windows Update issues!
    (registry problems apparently).
    Windows Update service was using up 70-80% CPU time(daughter's little school tablet/laptop thingy).
    I reckon about 3 hrs of applying fixes(there's a Windows Update fixer-upper tool) that needed to be run about 10 times to sort whatever issue out.
    Then of course the glacial application of Win Update multiple times with the multiple reboots that go with it ..

    Watching 'pain dry', or NAS RAID rebuilding processes is positively riveting, nail biting excitement! ... compared to fixing WinUpdate issues

    reinstalling is easier.
    lol

    trying to fix wsus issues, now thats "fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    reinstalling is easier.
    lol

    ....
    School tablet(y) laptop(y) thing .. unless they do it .. not possible(for me) .. and it's school holidays.
    I was going to do a restore, but thought .. how hard can it be to run a simple M$ windows update fixer-upper program ... 10 times!

    Now I wish I'd given up earlier ... and just set my QNAP to rebuild itself too(it sits in the living room as my HTPC, connected to the TV).
    Too cold(and wet) to paint the living room ... and then sit back and watch it dry

    Now that the little Dell(3000 series) foldable latop isn't running the CPU at 80% 100% of the time, it's not a bad little unit as a tablet(y)-laptop(y) thing.
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    Now,, where was I,,
    oh yes. I replaced the assortment of hard drives with 4 new 2TB drives,,
    but since the infamous Fall Creators update I can no long "see" my NAS as a drive...
    makes it hard to do backups,,,,
    Windows see's my NAS as a media player yet wont transfer files to it.. ??
    and even after a total change of motherboards/PC's I still get this,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
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    but since the infamous Fall Creators update I can no long "see" my NAS as a drive...
    makes it hard to do backups,,,,
    Windows see's my NAS as a media player yet wont transfer files to it.. ??
    ...
    Obviously somethign got borked during the update.

    For Win to see the NAS a a media player, you must have DNLA enbaled as a service on the QNAP.
    Makes sense, works well(especially if you access it via multiple devices)

    Assuming that Win not only sees the media player, but also allows you to play media files from it(ie. access to it is good) then I'd say the mapped drive setting in Windows just got removed.

    Can you see the NAS in your network list in Windows Explorer(LH Pane)?
    If so, then it's just a matter of expanding the directory structure under the NAS's listing, right clicking on any of the accessible drives, and choosing the map network drive context option for each that you want to have mapped.

    Note that those steps above assume that 1/. Windows and NAS are all on the same network settings(groups, and IP numerical structures and so on) and 2/. that having installed all those new HDDs in the NAS that they haven't been set to a limited access setting in some way(on the NAS).


    A point to note too: it's funny how when a problem arises we tend to immediately blame M$ and or Windows for the issue.
    I get this sometimes too, which is due to a lack of common occurrence.
    What happens every now and then is I get a power failure(in the area) and even tho the QNAP is set to reboot and turn itself back on after a power failure, it sometimes forgets too!
    Why and how is an unknown quantity. Sometimes it doesn't, usually it does.
    Anyhow, I start up the PC, and I get a message that a network drive(s) are missing when Windows finally settles down to do some work. I dismiss it(as I always do).
    Then I try to do something that may depend on the NAS, and I get an error msg saying mapped drive is not accessible. I jump to the usually conclusion that Windows is having a hissy fit. But it ALWAYS! ends up being that the NAS hasn't started up again.
    It happens so infrequently tho that I completely forget that this is what happened last time too.

    if any of the above fails to help to get the mapped drive(s) going for 'ya again, an easy way to get mapped drives up and running again is via the (generally useless) QNAP Windows tool.

    Otherwise just get access to the NAS via your browser(where the better browser for a QNAP is Chrome)
    This is the only reason I have Chrome installed on my PC .. access to the QNAP.
    That won't help with setting up mapped drives(the PC QNAP tool does that for 'ya) but getting to the NAS voa your browser confirms network access, and then obviously you then go into the various control panel items to check for altered settings that may have set minimal network access.

    Check things like directory permissions: check under Users and also under shared folders.
    Also check Network and File Services and go into the Win/Mac/NFS settings. For windows the obvious area to check is the Microsoft Networking tab. I always try to keep running services to a minimum, so no Apple devices here, so no need to enable Apple networking , nor any UNIX(other than the QNAP! ) devices so no need for NFS to be running either.
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    Thanks for the reply Arthur,,

    "Obviously somethign got borked during the update. Dunno,, the link was never very stable,, having my vpn on closed the link down

    For Win to see the NAS a a media player, you must have DNLA enbaled as a service on the QNAP. ?? will check. but only want access thru this PC
    Makes sense, works well(especially if you access it via multiple devices)

    Assuming that Win not only sees the media player, but also allows you to play media files from it(ie. access to it is good) then I'd say the mapped drive setting in Windows just got removed. ?? play music from it? never tried.. wait please

    Can you see the NAS in your network list in Windows Explorer(LH Pane)? No
    If so, then it's just a matter of expanding the directory structure under the NAS's listing, right clicking on any of the accessible drives, and choosing the map network drive context option for each that you want to have mapped.

    Note that those steps above assume that 1/. Windows and NAS are all on the same network settings(groups, and IP numerical structures and so on)
    How do I ensure this?

    and 2/. that having installed all those new HDDs in the NAS that they haven't been set to a limited access setting in some way(on the NAS). I just bolted them in, no changes were made.


    A point to note too: it's funny how when a problem arises we tend to immediately blame M$ and or Windows for the issue.
    I get this sometimes too, which is due to a lack of common occurrence.
    What happens every now and then is I get a power failure(in the area) and even tho the QNAP is set to reboot and turn itself back on after a power failure, it sometimes forgets too!
    Why and how is an unknown quantity. Sometimes it doesn't, usually it does.
    Anyhow, I start up the PC, and I get a message that a network drive(s) are missing when Windows finally settles down to do some work. I dismiss it(as I always do).
    Then I try to do something that may depend on the NAS, and I get an error msg saying mapped drive is not accessible. I jump to the usually conclusion that Windows is having a hissy fit. But it ALWAYS! ends up being that the NAS hasn't started up again.
    It happens so infrequently tho that I completely forget that this is what happened last time too.

    if any of the above fails to help to get the mapped drive(s) going for 'ya again, an easy way to get mapped drives up and running again is via the (generally useless) QNAP Windows tool.

    Otherwise just get access to the NAS via your browser(where the better browser for a QNAP is Chrome)
    This is the only reason I have Chrome installed on my PC .. access to the QNAP.
    That won't help with setting up mapped drives(the PC QNAP tool does that for 'ya) but getting to the NAS voa your browser confirms network access, and then obviously you then go into the various control panel items to check for altered settings that may have set minimal network access. Yes! I can access it via FF browser, but wont transfer files eg. virus update files

    Check things like directory permissions: check under Users and also under shared folders. .. Ok
    Also check Network and File Services and go into the Win/Mac/NFS settings. For windows the obvious area to check is the Microsoft Networking tab. I always try to keep running services to a minimum, so no Apple devices here, so no need to enable Apple networking , nor any UNIX(other than the QNAP! ) devices so no need for NFS to be running either.
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    cant stream music, it needs a "music streaming app" but cant reach the QNAP store to get one
    should any of the nas folders be "shared"?
    File service?
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    so if you can access the QNAP via FF, then it's on the network via the IP numbers, but you can't access it via Windows, so it's almost likely that it's on a different Workgroup name, or Windows Networking(ie. SAMBA) isn't running on the QNAP any longer.

    You can change these settings in the Control Panel via FF.
    using Chrome does allow some more advanced abilities too tho.

    Note that those advanced abilities may not be important to you tho.

    eg. I use my QNAP(TS453A) as my home theatre device connected to my TV(via HDMI). So the QNAP doubles (mainly) as my movie watching device(as well as a computer if needed).
    One of the apps I use on the QNAP is Kodi(for watching movies), and managing the library(for Kodi) is a PITA via the actual QNAP in the living room.
    Easier way to manage the library is via a remote connection on my PC to the hybrid deskstation system.

    So via my PC in the study, I can basically control the QNAP/TV three rooms away. For that to work I have to use Chrome, as FF doesn't do it(or didn't do it).
    FF recently updated to a new version, so maybe that's changed now .. just haven't tried it.

    At the least share the Public folder.
    I have many shared folders, one of which is my own(ie. the Arthur) folder as well as both kids and Movies, Files and sundry folders like Photos.

    my (arthur) folder is only accessible to me on my PC as it requires a user name and password. Once that's set, it's remembered.
    It's possible to 'hack' into it I suppose, but there's nothing of sensitive nature in it .. just some spreadsheets, a few files and stuff in a 'backup' location.
    I just don't want (eg. kids) to accidentally get to say some legal files and delete them or something like that.

    another example is my Photos folder.
    On the actual Nas I have two identical Photos folders(actually hard drives).
    I only made one of those Photos HDDs shared.... and so, accessible to the network. This is where I backup too on the NAS. I called it Photos(1).
    There's an identical Photos HDD(Photos(2)) that can't be accessed on the network at all.
    This is a twofold protection.

    1/. from virus/trojan/malware type crap. My sis got one of those ransomware hacks a while back and they can affect any windows accessible directory. So simply being on a remote location isn't protection enough.
    2/. protection from my own mishandling too. Had this happen a while back where I updated the folder, and got some corrupted files due to a transfer error. I didn't realise that some of the image files were corrupted, and backing them all up to a new HDD backed up corrupted files over what were probably good files. No way to know this without inspecting each file(tedious). So Photos(2) is a backup of Photos(1) but only accessible from the NAS.
    I then update the #2 HDD only after I confirm that the #1 version is fine .. maybe once a year.

    So while the main point of a NAS is to have access to shared folders, it also pays to have hidden folders/files too for any number of reasons, just in case

    one other thing on the topic of file transferring. Do you have or use an FTP program(on the PC). If so then allowing the FTP service to run is also a handy way to access files on the NAS.
    I use Filezilla, works well, easy to use etc. Don't do it a lot, but sometimes it's handy to have. Pretty much bulletproof too. More reliable than transferring through Windows Explorer, just not as 'handy'.
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    Time to bite the bullet and decide this NAS thing is just not going to work for me,,
    It "will not" connect via ethernet to my PC and allow 3rd party software to transfer files,, the QNAP Tech has said so, the helpful people on the QNAP Community website have said so (yet it did before the creators update,, otherwise how do I have 1.3TB of files on there??)
    and so I (under great duress) plugged it into the modem downstairs and the NAS works Perfectly.... it accessed the net and updated everything.
    just the speed of transfer via wifi will be unbearably slow, ( and take all my internet bandwidth with it--) and no 3rd party software I can find, will find the NAS on my network,, though the QNAP software QSYNC has no problem--- except it has no settings that work for me,, it either SYNC all or nothing,,

    so now I have to somehow get that 1.3TB of files off the NAS, take the 4X2TB drives out, build a PC that has onboard raid, and transfer the files over,,
    then I can start my backups again.
    so another two pc's,

    simples.
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