Alternative Email Providers Not the myopic or the one that ogles

Hello Arthur,

Well, you were 100 percent correct. I slid across the radio-button identified by your second arrow and 'bingo'. I can now send emails and send emails with attachments in place.

Thank you for including the screen shot. That helped me tremendously.

I use Mozilla Firefox as my access point to the internet. I have attached a screenshot of what my main page looks like when I access the internet. I click on the shortcut to access my 'hotmail' emails.

Is there a more efficient way of accessing emails? As I identify as a researcher the first task I usually do on the internet is to do an internet search. Hence my main page starting on Dogpile.

Thank you Tins and Arthur for your prolonged patience as you attempted to guide me through my IT ignorance. Full kudos to you both, and the other contributors to this thread.

Was the change in my access to being able to send emails and add attachments attributable to some aspect of Microsoft Outlook just changing setting because they felt like it? It wasn't me accidentally pressing a wrong button without knowing that I had done so?

Kind regards
Lionel

Ok so I'm well confused by the first post.....

To me it sounds like theres an issue with your client side, I'm exclusively on Gmail and I have none of the issues you seem to be showing when I access it through any of my web browsers on any of my devices or Operating systems.

The issues you're describing sound like the issues I have when I'm trying to browse through youtube or other sites that rely on forced online advertising for revenue while my adblockers are on, they cause my Chrome and Firefox browsers to have conniptions.


I'd suggest that the issues you're having are client side (your computer) and not on the email server itself.

If the planets align, If I manage to free up some time on the run I'm doing up to QLD next week I'll drop in for a visit.

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Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Was the change in my access to being able to send emails and add attachments attributable to some aspect of Microsoft Outlook just changing setting because they felt like it? It wasn't me accidentally pressing a wrong button without knowing that I had done so?

Kind regards
Lionel

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Be warey of software updates.

When your browser, OS or in some instances email client updates some settings get reset to their default (more secure) settings you then have to go back and set them to the more open settings. Usually you get some kind of a warning in the upgrade notes if this can have happened. I get it every time I upgrade my chome and adblocker.

Hello All,

Being the optimist that I am - I decided to see if the fix also carried across to being able to use the mouse right click to 'paste' into my emails. I noticed that when brushed the cobwebs off my @gmail account I could use a right button mouse click to both copy and paste.

I have conducted internet searches using the following keywords... "outlook not pasting mouse right click new email". While there are various 'solutions' posted online none of their descriptions of screens and prompts appearing seem to match mine.

Can Hotmail be opened without using Outlook?

I found the definitions for POP and IMap and ISP I did read them. However, if I was tested on what software does what I would not be confident on answering questions correctly.

The internet connection is via Telstra.
My access to the internet is via Mozilla Firefox.
To access my hotmail emails I am using Outlook.

I am semi confident that Telstra is my ISP

In regards which is the POP and which of the above is the IMap is something I am lacking confidence in coming close to answering correctly.

I am now off to design a commercial wellbeing program that I will be presenting to an audience in March. These are things that I do feel confident in doing. Stick with your strengths I suppose! While I am all for making your weakness your strengths I reckon I have to select some greener pastures to re-bolster my level of confidence again.

Again, thank you Arthur, Tins for your patience and tolerance. I greatly appreciate it.

The irony of this is all is that part of the wellbeing program is a competence/confidence/self and wellbeing cycle. Where individuals who through the results of an accident or health condition can no longer work in their chosen vocation need to find ways to establish a new competence/confidence cycle. This is especially important when the individual's sense of identity is based off their vocation. Where the individual's life becomes clearly demarcated into a before/after what is a life-changing event.

IT does not currently bolster my competence/confidence cycle!

Kind regards
Lionel

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Ok so I'm well confused by the first post.....

To me it sounds like theres an issue with your client side, I'm exclusively on Gmail and I have none of the issues you seem to be showing when I access it through any of my web browsers on any of my devices or Operating systems.

The issues you're describing sound like the issues I have when I'm trying to browse through youtube or other sites that rely on forced online advertising for revenue while my adblockers are on, they cause my Chrome and Firefox browsers to have conniptions.


I'd suggest that the issues you're having are client side (your computer) and not on the email server itself.

If the planets align, If I manage to free up some time on the run I'm doing up to QLD next week I'll drop in for a visit.

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Nah. It's a MS issue with whatever their new settings were changed too. I had the same issue, only with hotmail for a few months(maybe since Dec .. but not any of my other accounts(gmail and optus).
So if software was the issue, it would have been a global issue, not a selective one.
Looks like Lionel changed the outlook/live/hotmail setting and can now get hsi emails via outlook on the PC now anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Tins

I appreciate you are working within contextual parameters here, but, just for clarity, oh yes it does. As I'm sure you know, but perhaps Lionel doesn't, the principal difference is that POP downloads the email to ONE device and deletes it from the server, so if the device goes down or is lost, so is the email.....

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Can do, but not specifically.
I used to set Tbird to not delete messages off the server if I delete them in Tbird. (changed now)
IMAP sees the emails as if you were viewing web based style.

I don't know if Outlook can be set to only delete emails locally(and not affect them at the server side, that is) I suspect it should be able too.

Most of my deleted emails are usually rubbish. Not junk specifically just not worth keeping .. so I set Tbird to delete emails when I delete them.
Note tho that it doesn't necessarily remove them if you don't want. It can just be moved to the trash .. or it can be permanently deleted.

Only downside of 'archiving' is that with POP(that I use) is once downloaded and removed off the server(to maintain some semblance of space) .. if I ever want to refer back to an email for whatever reason from a long time ago via another device obviously can't be done.
Very rare, but has happened to me. Not worth the worry tho, and in my instance not critical.
I rarely check emails without using PC. if I had too via mobile device, I just read what the contents are/were but leave so I can save/archive when back home on the PC.

@ Lionel. I doubt that the issue you had was due to Outlook. I don't use outlook, noting that I use Thunderbird, and had the same issue with hotmail too!
So it's a server side change in the live login server running your hotmail account. I don't have a .live or .outlook type email to have seen if they were also affected. Hotmail is a service of days gone by, not many folks use it any more for the more modern alternatives available.
When I searched the issue basically zero problems came up, but some tibits of info about the POP/sync setting came up and I checked mine too ... and as you found this is the issue(for hotmail).

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Be warey of software updates.

When your browser, OS or in some instances email client updates some settings get reset to their default (more secure) settings you then have to go back and set them to the more open settings. Usually you get some kind of a warning in the upgrade notes if this can have happened. I get it every time I upgrade my chome and adblocker.

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Hello Dave,

Thanks to Arthur's step by step directions there was a setting in synchronising that was turned off deep within the bowels of the system. After I followed Arthur's instructions and I slid the button across to the right and activated synchronisation, I was able to attach emails and send them again.

When will you be visiting Bundaberg? It would be great to catch-up with you again. Its been a fair while since you stayed at the Nielson Park caravan grounds.

Kind regards
Lionel

Hello All,

So the take home message of this thread is that Hotmail itself is archaic. How I should commence weaning off my Contact list from Hotmail and I should introduce them to a new email system.

Now to find a email provider that also goes nowhere near Outlook or Google.

My first email provider was ozemail. Where Anzwers was back then the search engine. That is going back in time a fair bit now!

Kind regards
Lionel

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Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello Tins & AK83,

IMAP is that Apple's version of mapping?

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Very droll, Lionel...

IMAP, as your research has now told you, has nothing to do with , although I would contend that iCloud makes better use of it than most.

Over time I have used as email clients Thunderbird, Outlook ( before Office became a subscription and I ditched the whole thing for 's free alternatives ), Postbox and even Eudora. I always come back to Mail, even for my Gmail account. Of course, as a self confessed Luddite, that option is closed to you....😆

But, it's all what you are used to, I guess. I despise goggle, even though I maintain an old Gmail account for certain things, and thus cannot have an Android phone, even though I think Samsung make excellent phones. Microsoft drove me away with the whole ME/2000/XP debacle. And they expected me to pay for that dross. Sure, XP worked out OK in the end, and 7 was fine, but 8 was awful, 10 tried to be an OS for everything and fails at all of it IMO, and 11.... nuff said. I have to have Windows available, mainly to keep my Nanocom functioning. I wish I'd kept my ISO for 7 so I could go back to it. My Mac runs the latest macOS, and I haven't paid for an OS update or complete rework since I think Lion, OS/X 10.7, way back in 2011. Having to pay MS for Win11 is to me totally ridiculous. Like I said, what you are used to.

I also have Linux Mint running here on an old iMac, but I'm not sure why. I'm a 70 yo ADD sufferer ( no H in my world ), so that sort of geekery is beyond me really.

As for browsers, well my aforementioned aversion the the G thing precludes Chrome.  makes big claims for Safari, but I haven't experienced any of them for a few years now. Firefox works. But I choose Brave, for now. Chrome users would feel familiar with it, except for the total lack of intrusions and ads which Chrome is known for. Even YT seems to be unable to get past the adblock nature of it.

Hello Tins,

I do not mind using any bit of software, on the proviso that:

• it does what it is supposed to
• they do not distribute my personal data to any marketplaces
• they do not insist on cookies that have a very restricted range of choices. Especially where they do not lead me to a place where I can block any links to data sharing with a range of unknown markets
• do not exercise anticompetitive behaviours
• do not dupe the market that their product is superior and is the 'industry standard'. Therefore, you will be seen as being anachronistic and subsequently lacking professionalism if you do not join their industry standard club. Great promotional ability built on less than spectacular user-friendliness. Hey, they are they are the industry standard though. People must be seen to be within the 'in crowd' after all! What utter dupes!
• If there are software upgrades it adds better features that make real improvements. Not retrograde steps made just for the sake of a perceived need for change - and higher subscription rates.
• Provide support for the life of the software user's choice to use that product. Not the company setting strict dates for when that version of software will no longer be supported.
• The company does not intentionally create 'bugs' that means a company that has the sheer audacity to produce free software clashes with their paid for software. Where the bugs will be instantly removed if you buy their version of the software.

Yes, I must live in an alternate reality.

Kind regards
Lionel

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Originally Posted by Tins

Very droll, Lionel...

IMAP, as your research has now told you, has nothing to do with , although I would contend that iCloud makes better use of it than most.

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Hello Tins,

Yes, clap - clap. I totally accept your notification that I was being droll. Being droll seems to be a dying art. More is the pity. Tins, I doff my cap to you!

Kind regards
Lionel