Dell or Imac

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

There is an application called terminal. Pops you straight to the command line. Apple-space bar brings up spotlight, and then type terminal and it will be the top app. Either that or got to the utilities folder in the applications directory. :)

Probably 98% of mac users don't know that the flash GUI is generally just running UNIX commands under the skin. There are lots of things you can customise under the hood if you can be bothered. You can get code from other UNIX variants and compile them for Mac, ssh and scp to other UNIX boxes etc etc. I can do everything at home that I can do at work on our Solaris MINI's. Can anyone see why I find it hard to understand the claims that they are incapable as computer? That's crazy talk.

Look, Apple may be rubbish as all the people that have never used one keep telling us but they seem to have a lot of people pretty happy. When I read this even I was shocked. Apple claim 91% of the over $1000US market in June.

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+ 1!

Terminal is VERY handy.

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Originally Posted by MacMan

+ 1!

Terminal is VERY handy.

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+2

I often use Terminal to log into remote systems, do port forwarding, that kind of thing.

The move to Unix certification was smart on Jobs part. Very smart.

Alan

PS I haven't been reading the OS wars posts. They get real boring, real fast. I use a range of platforms, each has its merits and failings. Nothing is perfect, except maybe







ANDROID :twisted:

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Originally Posted by Scallops

Don't be sorry, Ferret - because my statement is in essence, completely true. OK - Apple didn't technically invent the visual user interface

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So, you defend your assertion that Apple invented the GUI and then you retract it in the same statement.

Never mind, no need to let facts get in the way of evangelism, is there.

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Originally Posted by Ferret

So, you defend your assertion that Apple invented the GUI and then you retract it in the same statement.

Never mind, no need to let facts get in the way of evangelism, is there.

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Well, yes I did - :D Actually, from your quote above, I was attempting to put my assertion into context. I am in no way on a crusade. I use many computing platforms. So really, my crime, Ferret, was to say "invent" rather than "introduce" - sheesh.

So to be completely clear, my intention was to point out that Apple introduced the GUI to the commercially available computer world. Further, my point was that if Apple had not done so - the PC's of the day would still have only offered DOS prompts.

Still - my point is academic - and probably boring and tedious - so I'll leave it there. :)

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

How long did you spend trying? Please tell us all!

I got my first Mac 4 or 5 years ago and I'll admit I had a couple of nights of wondering how it all worked. It's just when you've been using one arse about product (MS) for so long it does take a little while to re-adjust.

Did you know that macs are UNIX based and that if you want to you can do pretty much everything from the command prompt? Did you know that UNIX has scripting ability that is in another league to even the current implementation of MS-DOS? I can't remember that much about CPM though as it was so good it didn't make it!

So many untruths on this thread in general. Luckily I am not on my own anymore! :D
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It was about a quarter of a century ago, so I don't remember exactly how long I persisted before I gave up. All I can remember is that I wasn't able to get the job done on the two or three occasions when I had to attempt something with a Mac.

It wasn't the fault of Windows. At that stage I was still happily using Apple IIes, Microbees and PCs running DOS. I had believed all the hype about how intuitive and use friendly Macs were with their GUI, so I was very disappointed to discover that it wasn't true. Maybe I had been mislead by the zealots who were not prepared to admit that it might take a couple of nights ti figure out how things worked on a Mac.

Like a lot of things they seem intuitive the SECOND time you use them. That is my feeling about the way Office 2007 programs now look. At first things seem hard to find because it is different fron Office 2003, but once I have found them it then seems obvious that they are located and organised in a logical way.

I thought that apart from the problem that GUIs were arriving on the scene that part of the reason for CP/M's demise was that it ran on 8 bit machines and that 16 bit machines had arrived.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

It was about a quarter of a century ago, so I don't remember exactly how long I persisted before I gave up. All I can remember is that I wasn't able to get the job done on the two or three occasions when I had to attempt something with a Mac.

It wasn't the fault of Windows. At that stage I was still happily using Apple IIes, Microbees and PCs running DOS. I had believed all the hype about how intuitive and use friendly Macs were with their GUI, so I was very disappointed to discover that it wasn't true. Maybe I had been mislead by the zealots who were not prepared to admit that it might take a couple of nights ti figure out how things worked on a Mac.

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I'm sorry, but I went from our Apple IIe straight to a PC. I didn't try the macs of the time. None the less, I really think it's farcical for you to base your opinion of the current version of OS X on your experiences 25 years ago. That there is crazy stuff.

I can understand your confusion though, as the MS operating system is indeed a descendent of the OS you used 25 years. Mac OS X is NOT a descendant of the OS you used. That is one of the key differences between the two platforms.

Windows is hamstrung by it's ancient architecture whereas Apple leveraged their opportunity to introduce a new OS only a few years ago now.

Maybe it's time to branch out and give one another go when the opportunity presents itself next. If you aren't happy you'll be one of the very few. :)

Hi,

From what I know Mac is about to go 64 bit, with a free upgrade for those who have already bought one of the latest models, and a sub $50 upgrade for earlier OS 10.'s.

Apparently uses less space on the HD as well.

cheers, DL

I was new to Macs until just recently too. Within 12 hours of owning it - and that included sleeping, I had it up and running with mail and internet - with all my old emails and bookmarks transferred. 15 minutes later - all my PC stuff was across too.

It took me maybe a week to get fully used to the new environment - but now that I am up and running - I will never buy a PC again. I use one (PC) at work - but in my own time, at home - no way, not anymore. It's a bit like Land Rovers and Jags - life is too short to use boring stuff. :D But more than this, look at the threads within this area of AULRO - are there any threads here - any, from people with dramas concerning their Macs? Well, I haven't found anything major. But unfortunately - we see thread after thread from people who continue to face issues with their PC's. This is the crux of the issue for me. I really feel for the folks here who put up these posts - because much of our modern lives are recorded on and intermingled with our computers, for better or for worse.

I think its funny that a bloke who used one a quarter of a century ago and "found it hard to use" might still feel that way. Things do evolve. I guess we all find certain things difficult :). I found a shaver hard to use at first too - but I don't look like ZZ top! :lol2:

opps, i just ordered a mini mac last night, hope i did the right thing........

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Originally Posted by weeds

opps, i just ordered a mini mac last night, hope i did the right thing........

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I reckon you got what it takes to figure it out, mate. :D