Windows7 a Con? Well it comes from Micro$oft

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I just know I'm wasting my time so I'll only waste a little of it. UNIX based OS's have a very different structure and strict permission systems as they were built for much larger multi user systems, hence, they are very easy to tie down effectively. The OS is also effectively very basic, so they only do what they have to do, which means they don't enable every potential security vulnerability just in case someone needs it. As a general rule, the UNIX default is OFF.

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there is no question that UNIX file system perms are better than windows... but remote vulnerabilities don't usually attack the filesystem. Memory management is much more important here and Apple are lagging behind.

Also, re the default services, this isn't strictly a UNIX thing, but a distrubution thing. There are only two operating systems that still have off by default for most things: OpenBSD and Windows Server 2008.

unfortunatly Apple software is full of things that are on that are not needed.

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Originally Posted by flagg

there is no question that UNIX file system perms are better than windows... but remote vulnerabilities don't usually attack the filesystem. Memory management is much more important here and Apple are lagging behind.

Also, re the default services, this isn't strictly a UNIX thing, but a distrubution thing. There are only two operating systems that still have off by default for most things: OpenBSD and Windows Server 2008.

unfortunatly Apple software is full of things that are on that are not needed.

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Interesting... my brand new Solaris 10 Zones at work seem to have virtually everything switched off.

So, if Apple have all these problems, and are lagging in security, why are there very few security issues? Why is this the same for all the other Unix/linux variants? Perhaps you could explain it to everyone better than I have in my paragraph.

Please don't say aliens only write viruses for MS as they hate Bill..

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Originally Posted by flagg

Re MS vs Apple security - Apple users take note: MacOS is the most insecure operating system in common use today. Apple do not have the focus on security within the development lifecycle that MS have and it shows. Apple are also very slow at fixing security vulnerabilies and even snow leopard doesn't have the simple security features built into it that have been around in MS land since XPSP2.

and I'm saying this as an apple user. :(

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:confused::confused::confused:

Wow you are so wrong I don't know what to say. I mean [sputtering] you can't can't compare the security features as you put it between two OSs and say that because one doesn't have the same as another it must be weaker. They are different architectures.

Alan

WOW,, 7 works better (out of the box--) than Vista!!

who'd a thought?:eek:


Its more a mid lifecycle makeover than a NEW OS,,,

new name new packaging,,
same code underneath.

the worlds just had two years to write drivers for it---

I installed 7 under Parallels on my Mac Book Pro and it seems to be working ok. I really do dislike the idiot guides to performing tasks. Just give me access to the app's I need thanks MS. But yeah, it seems to be behaving itself. Haven't had much time to dig into its bowels yet ;)

Alan

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Originally Posted by disco2hse

I installed 7 under Parallels on my Mac Book Pro and it seems to be working ok. I really do dislike the idiot guides to performing tasks. Just give me access to the app's I need thanks MS. But yeah, it seems to be behaving itself. Haven't had much time to dig into its bowels yet ;)

Alan

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And the best this is when it rolls itself up in a ball you can just delete the emulation and go back to a new one, with all your data safe and sound in macland :)

hehehe. yep :D

well im not going to get involved with the battle of the geeks argument :D but if it wasn't for my wife, i would use Linux
cant afford apple and im not ghey enough:wasntme:
sick of ms xp and wont be buying a os as long as i can get a better os for free

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Originally Posted by disco2hse

I installed 7 under Parallels on my Mac Book Pro and it seems to be working ok. I really do dislike the idiot guides to performing tasks. Just give me access to the app's I need thanks MS. But yeah, it seems to be behaving itself. Haven't had much time to dig into its bowels yet ;)

Alan

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They design windows like that as most of the general users are basically computer illiterate, MS are trying to limit the amount of accidental damage that can be done. I think it is a good thing

I have been in the IT industry for over 10 years (not in retail) and I get sick to death of all the MAC V MS V Unix (linux) All have there purposes! A general user will struggle to use a unix system, and most IT support personel have only windows experience. To say that a MAC is the best for all situations is just down right blind! I could list off security floors and faults for all of the above, but I just dont get into the arguements anymore. I have my own personal preference, but usually recommend the system that best suits the particular user.


Just my 2 cents worth :D

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Originally Posted by defmec

well im not going to get involved with the battle of the geeks argument :D but if it wasn't for my wife, i would use Linux
cant afford apple and im not ghey enough:wasntme:
sick of ms xp and wont be buying a os as long as i can get a better os for free

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Funny!!! I was going to say something about people choosing macs because they are pretty :wasntme: but thought I had better not :)