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    So where do we think my oil is going

    Well over the last 2 years I have traced my oil leaks and now only have a small drip, equating to about 1/2 a tea spoon over a 24 hour period. From where I started from this is a great achievment!

    My problem is from full on the dipstick to low only takes approx 10 days / 500 K's.
    Apart from a normal puff of dark smoke on start up I think I am pretty good. I have seen a small puff of black when accelerating and changing gear (auto) but again no visible sign of any smoke.

    One thing I have noticed is at night looking in the rear mirrors is that there is almost a fog behind the car in the following car head lights.

    So I am starting to think valve stem seals...

    Any other sugestions please gentlemen?

    Thank you...


    1998 300TDI Discovery. 140,000k's, auto.
    Head reworked 130,000 (18 months ago)
    Last edited by gozzie; 3rd May 2010 at 05:08 AM. Reason: typo

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    It is possible to replace the valve stem seals with the heads on the vehicle, a bit of lateral thinking and an air compressor to keep the valves up. So worth a try.

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    Your observations about smoke puffs when accelerating and changing gears sound pretty normal to me.

    Also all/most diesels throw out some particulate matter that forms a bit of a haze in the rear view mirror when there's headlights shining behind. Even my little Hyundai i30 does that.

    From what you said about the half teaspoon of oil dripping over a 24 hour period, it sounds like that's where your problem lies, not in the valve stems.

    How about giving the engine compartment a good degreasing and keep going with the detective work to find the source of the oil leak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    It is possible to replace the valve stem seals with the heads on the vehicle, a bit of lateral thinking and an air compressor to keep the valves up. So worth a try.

    The other is to take out the spark plugs, then put some thin rope in the piston pot (Just enough to jamb & hold) then turn the piston up against the head ... The rope holds the valves up while your changing the stem seals //

    Have some one hold the crank in position while changing stems & you can only do one at a time
    & remember to have the "end of the rope" hanging out the plug hole so you can retrieve it

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    The other is to take out the spark plugs, then put some thin rope in the piston pot (Just enough to jamb & hold) then turn the piston up against the head ... The rope holds the valves up while your changing the stem seals //

    Have some one hold the crank in position while changing stems & you can only do one at a time
    & remember to have the "end of the rope" hanging out the plug hole so you can retrieve it

    Mike
    [quote]1998 300TDI Discovery. 140,000k's, auto.
    Head reworked 130,000 (18 months ago)[quote]


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    [quote=neffo;1242878]
    1998 300TDI Discovery. 140,000k's, auto.
    Head reworked 130,000 (18 months ago)
    [quote]1998 300TDI Discovery. 140,000k's, auto.
    Head reworked 130,000 (18 months ago)
    Quote Originally Posted by gozzie View Post

    1998 300TDI Discovery. 140,000k's, auto.
    Head reworked 130,000 (18 months ago)

    I need thicker glasses??



    Oh well tiss a good handy hint "get me outa trouble" for petrol stuff ...

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    It'sNotWorthComplaining! Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by mike 90 RR View Post
    The other is to take out the spark plugs, then put some thin rope in the piston pot (Just enough to jamb & hold) then turn the piston up against the head ... The rope holds the valves up while your changing the stem seals //

    Have some one hold the crank in position while changing stems & you can only do one at a time
    & remember to have the "end of the rope" hanging out the plug hole so you can retrieve it

    Mike
    Sparks??? TDi don't have spark plugs. I suppose you must know by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gozzie View Post
    Apart from a normal puff of dark smoke on start up I think I am pretty good. I have seen a small puff of black when accelerating and changing gear (auto) but again no visible sign of any smoke.

    One thing I have noticed is at night looking in the rear mirrors is that there is almost a fog behind the car in the following car head lights.
    In my opinion, smoke out the back is generally related to fueling not oil burning.

    A puff of the black stuff on startup is normal.
    When accelerating, depending on how your injection pump is set, you may get none, a little, or alot of incompletely burnt diesel causing black smoke.
    Again this is quite normal.

    Seeing no smoke during the day, but smoke in headlights at night is also normal.
    It is like the sun shining through a window into your house and showing up all the dust particluates in the air; they're probably always there, you just can't see them until they are lit up by the light.

    Quote Originally Posted by gozzie View Post
    ...now only have a small drip, equating to about 1/2 a tea spoon over a 24 hour period.
    My problem is from full on the dipstick to low only takes approx 10 days / 500 K's.
    Where is this drip coming from?

    It sounds like this is your oil leak, which probably speeds up when driving, thus using approximately 1L in 500km.

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    The leak is coming down the rear of the sump and down the front face of the bell housing. I had the sump re sealed about a year ago, but at that stage their were so many other leaks that I believe they were all running into one another. Now this is the smallest amount on the garage floor, yet I am left with the biggest consumption. I have a gut feeling it is the sump still leaking, but I am also looking into any mechanical posibilities too.

    I have cleaned off all the oil and degreased back in November and I am not picking up any trails from higher up the engine.

    Gozzie

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    Is it possible with all these leaks that you have a high pressure in your sump?
    Hence, your rings are shot. Generally, an engine with many oil leaks points to high sump pressure, even in a British engine.

    What is the pressure like when you take the Rocker Cover cap off ??

    I don't have a cloud of smoke behind me at night with my TDI. It sounds like rings to me but it is hard to diagnose over the net.

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