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    Holy Tar Batman! Now I'm worried....

    So I've got as far as whipping the rocker covers off both sides, and what the ****

    Someone appears to have tarmaced the inside of my engine! Thick black gloop all over the inside of the covers, the valves and springs to the extent that I had to dig through piles of the crap before I could locate the head bolts (which I would have had undone by now, but the damned 16mm socket I've just bought snapped)
    It's either the tarmacers has been in or the previous owners considered oil changes as something that happened to other people.

    I'm now a little worried. If this amount of black goo is visible, what other damage has it done? I didn't expect it to be pristine in there, but I wasn't imagining a tar pit. In all seriousness, this is only the third engine that I've been elbow deep in so far, the first 2 being a Ford 4 pot and a Ford V6, and have not experienced anything as bad as this.
    So, serious neglect?
    Should I rethink about how much work to do to it? Full rebuild - rings, mains, big ends and oil pump too?
    Or just do the top end as I was planning to do (valves, springs, rockers, tappets) and give it a damned good flush out and an oil change every 1000km?

    The tappets are stuck in their little holes, and the pushrods look more like Twiglets than shiny metal components.
    The good news though, is that there is no sign of internal head gasket leakage, the leak that I was referring to in this thread was definitely coming from a bad inlet manifold gasket. Several bolts were barely finger tight, and the end seals were shot.

    Any thoughts.....

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    Some engines can get a build up like this. It might be a combination of factors so don't stress over it too much.

    If you were going to have the heads serviced anyway, then it will get cleaned off in the acid bath (do they still use acid baths?).

    Sticky tappets are common too. Have you removed at least one to check the base? How do the camshaft lobes look?
    If reusing the tappets, make sure they go back in the same spot, same with the pushrods.

    If there's no wear in the rockers & shafts, leave well alone. Do not clean as they often get noisy after a clean.
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    Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand what "tarmaces" is?? I think you mean black carbon rubbery goop??

    I had a RR V8 that was like that. Mine was from a lobe on the Cam on the exhaust of No. 7 that was worn completely flat or I mean round. The exhaust gases and carbon spread through the inside of the engine like stalactites and stalagmites. The guy I bought it from must have driven it on 7 cylinders for a year.

    If you are going to do the top end check the compression before you pull it down and try and get a read on how bad the blow by is from the piston rings. If it is bad and possibly causing some of your goop, you'll need to change them out.
    Once you have the heads off it's not THAT big a job.
    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peppercorn View Post
    Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand what "tarmacers" is?? I think you mean black carbon rubbery goop??
    I think he means the people who lay tarmac (tar macadam - named after John Loudon McAdam, the bloke who developed the process of using various sized stones. The addition of tar was by a surveyor, Edgar Purnell Hooley).
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    I think he means the people who lay tarmac (tar macadam - named after John Loudon McAdam, the bloke who developed the process of using various sized stones. The addition of tar was by a surveyor, Edgar Purnell Hooley).
    I'm glad there's someone around who understands me!

    And yes, thick black gloop, hardened to the consistency of of something you'd find in an old paint tin in places. The two outer top head bolts were completely hidden, and the rocker gear and valve springs/caps are almost unrecognisable.
    On removing the rocker gear, I can see the oilways are pretty gummed up, both in the rocker and head. That's mainly why I'm a little concerned.
    The rockers are pretty worn, and will be replaced, though I can't really tell with the shafts as they are so badly covered.

    Not one lifter will come out for me to take a look at, but I'm intending to replace them anyway, they'll just have to wait until I've got the cam out and sump off. It's more the fact that they won't come out that worries me - if they're sticking so badly, what else is wrong?!
    I've measured a couple of lobes on the cam that I can see and reach easily and compared it to the new one I've bought, and they're about 75% of the new size (new cam is a bog standard one).

    So from the replies so far, it seems like I'm worrying a little more than I should. I'll get hold of a compression tester and do the test tonight before I drag the heads off, and go from there.

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    It is common on rover V8's, the heads dont drain oil correctly so it builds up and gets baked on. A die grinder and a little carefull grinding will fix it.
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    Bull, it shows gross neglect like changing the oil once a year while just pottering around or leaving changes for 15KK or so and using cheap oil..

    If the oil changes are done regularly it will be light brown inside.

    If you look at the Rpi site they have photos of the various stages of neglect.
    The whole engine will be in poor condition.
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