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    fusible link glow plug timer

    Don't know if this is the right place to post this question - but I still am talking about my D1 300TDI...

    Basically I think I just nearly set my car on fire....

    when starting the engine yesterday I got a big, dense puff of smelly smoke from the engine bay, switched the ignition off immediately and went investigating.
    Eventually I came across a wire which ran off the battery to the glow plug timer. It was all taped up in black, blue and green insulation tape and apart from it all being really old and half decayed I noticed some smoulder marks so disconnected it from the battery and took all tape off.
    In the process the wire actually broke off at the end that was connected to the battery terminal, thats how bad it was.

    According to the haynes wiring diagram there is supposed to be a fusible link between the two sections (brown running from battery, brown/orange being connected to glow plug timer unit), mine were just taped together..... but it does not state what sort of fuse I need here.
    I found a Discovery 1997 electrical troubleshooting manual (mine is a 94, but since its for a 300TDI, should be the same, right?) which I believe states it needs 60A (diagram attached)?

    To be totally honest with you, all this is VERY new to me...my electrical knowledge goes as far as replacing a fuse and thats it - until now I pretty much tried to ignore the fact that there are wires in my engine bay.... yep... and it worked quite well!!

    So could someone be kind enough to help this silly girl getting her Disco going AGAIN please?

    Thanks heaps in advance...!
    Appreciated
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    i had similar problem with a Nissan Patrol, i went to a friends workshop and he had a sparky working for him at the time and he suggested going to supercheap and getting an big inline fuse holder and installing a 60A fuse and installing it in line where the fusible link was, otherwise go to a sparky and try to get the fusible link replaced.
    there should be other comments coming along shortly that might be more helpful

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    the bit of wire is the fusable link.

    If you replace it I advise using a resettable 100A circuit breaker from jaycar or similar as opposed to the maxi fuses. Its a bit more work to get it in neatly but if it lets go you can reset it without having to find another maxi fuse.

    but if its only the glow plugs dont panic, its summer and the tdi will start at 0 with no glow.
    Dave

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    Cheers guys!

    bit of wire as a fusible link.... interesting... (as I said,... have no clue...)

    Went out and got a big 60Amp fuse yesterday and wired it up with some building wire I found in the shed to what I call the most dodgy job ever done....
    but main thing is it worked.
    Need the car today and also figured that it wont be too much of a drama not to preheat those glow plugs.

    Will go to a grown up shop today though and hopefully get some more appropriate wire and a resettable link. Saw them at Supercheap & Repco yesterday, but none were over 25 or 30amp.

    Thanks again!!
    Muchly appreciated.

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    Will go to a grown up shop today though and hopefully get some more appropriate wire and a resettable link. Saw them at Supercheap & Repco yesterday, but none were over 25 or 30amp.
    A better bet may be a geeky shop. Like Blknight said, Jay Car would be the way to go for all things electrical including circuit breakers.

    Jaycar Electronics - Search results circuit breaker

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    In WA it wouldnt get cold enough to need the glow plugs.
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    thanks guys,
    had a feeling that might be the case - but coming from a place where the wiper wash freezes on the windscreen (even with a 60 or so % alcohol mix) I never really learned about glow plug need or dont needs in hotter places.
    So this leads to another question:

    Why do I have them in there at all then (well connected, obviously have to plug the holes if I were to cake them out - out)?
    and also do I then even need to worry about having the timer installed/wired up?
    and more importantly do I need to worry about pre heating before starting up? (coz I always do)

    and one more thing, I have noticed to be getting some light smoke since this happened. Used to only blow dark smoke under load, last night I saw it blow white smoke on idle after startup.
    Heard somewhere this could be glow plug related and was wondering if my dodgy wiring was the reason for this....

    ((injectors have been replaced about 15 000k ago, and head gasket has only done about 4 or 5k, not getting coolant/oil mix and besides a little leak around the p gasket (...) I dont think I'm losing much coolant.))

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    pre heating a cold diesel is usually a good idea it puts a hot spot in the combustion chamber that helps initiate the combustion process when its too cold for the diesel to ignite smoothly and properly. the act of the inital ignition of the fuel increases the combustion chamber pressure which lights off the rest of the fuel, If the first stage injection (remeber tdi's have 2 staqe injectors) fails to light off then the main fuel injection wont light off correctly when cold.

    usually once you get the thing started maintaining high idle provides the same end effect as the higher rate of compression increases the heat caused by compression.

    White smoke from a diesel is uncombusted fuel that hasnt lit off due to the engine running too cold or low on compression, the reason your getting the smoke now is because you dont have the hot spot in the combustion chamber that lights off the fuel on injection.
    Dave

    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

    For spelling call Rogets, for mechanicing call me.

    Fozzy, 2.25D SIII Ex DCA Ute
    Tdi autoManual d1 (gave it to the Mupion)
    Archaeoptersix 1990 6x6 dual cab(This things staying)


    If you've benefited from one or more of my posts please remember, your taxes paid for my skill sets, I'm just trying to make sure you get your monies worth.
    If you think you're in front on the deal, pay it forwards.

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    Cheers, Dave.
    As usual reliable comprehensive answer

    Really appreciated!

    Don't know what I would do with the old Disco without all you guys help and support....
    probably something stupid.

    Really, really really THANK YOU ALL!!!

    Simone

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