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7th February 2012, 02:33 PM
#1
Unusual Overheating
Hi Guys, I have a '97 Disco V8, with 150K on the clock, that for the last couple of weeks has been getting hot at speed. When I first started the restore, I replaced the radiator, water pump, thermostat and viscous unit, as all were pretty poor, and she has been running great until recently. Now, on my daily run down the highway, if I go above 100kph the temp creeps up to 10/11 oclock, and even at 100 dead, the temp goes up uphill and back down on the straight. I have check the fluids, I thought perhaps the running gear was letting her down, so have just changed ATF, and gear oils, but no joy.
The only thing that I can find wrong is the condensor fans have died, but the above is without the AC on! around town, i can drive all day with the AC going and the temp never moves, it just seems to be at highway speed, (under load I guess). I cant see any of the usual problems associated with the heads going, and i'm not losing water, the engine doesnt miss a beat, but I dont like the guage going up and down like that.
I thought maybe the guage, but with the AC on, once the temp goes up, the AC cuts out.
Any help would be appreciated as it has me stumped...
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7th February 2012, 04:17 PM
#2
I had an old 77 Range Rover that did the same.
Although I never pulled it down, I later learned that this can be a symptom of a blown headgasket, particularly if it blows from a cylinder into the valley.
Perhaps the first step is to take a compression test.
Regards Philip A
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8th February 2012, 07:12 AM
#3
Thanks Philip, I was hoping it wouldn't be the heads as that would be the poor girl off the road for a while, (i.e. cost v my budget), but I'll look at that first.
Cheers!
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9th February 2012, 07:57 AM
#4
I had a similar problem with my TDI yesterday. Although I have had it before, I knew what to do.
Have you checked your water level in the expansion tank? If you have a small/slow leak somewhere in the cooling system it won't show until the thermostat is operating almost on a continous cycle. It will eventually creep up to the redline if not topped up. In the mornings the tank looks ok as it has water, but open it up at full temp and it dissappears.
You also need to bleed the system well and at normal operating temps as this can cause air pockets and will show a similar thing on the temp guage. Also will overflow the water out the expansion tank due to the air pockets & steam generated.
I am replacing the P-gasket this weekend, but an living with this problem for now.
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9th February 2012, 01:39 PM
#5
Thanks Luke, I'll give it a try on the way home. Though I'm guessing I have to be a bit careful opening the tank at operating temp? I'll let you know what i find.
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28th February 2012, 01:48 PM
#6
ok......
I tried the bleeding the system technique, i did see a couple of bubbles come up into the expansion tank, but after 15mins that was it, used it the next day, and still the same, so I waited until i put the old girl in for her service today, and the mechanic has checked the compression for me, and we cant find any leaks, all are within tolerance.
He is going to try and flush the block and test/replace the thermo this afternoon, but essentially I am back to the drawing board. I've got to find a way to keep her cool at highway speed.
Any other suggestions guys???
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28th February 2012, 06:38 PM
#7
When you say you replaced the radiator, was it with a new one - or a new core at least? If it was a 'good' used one it may still be blocked. I bought a used one once and just bought problems - never again.
Also, if you have to open the expansion tank with the engine hot, its a lot safer with the engine running - a lot of pressure builds up just after its turned off.
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29th February 2012, 08:45 AM
#8
Seems to be a radiator problem - have you checked externally that is clean? The easiest way to do this is to take it out and look at it and blow through the fins with compressed air - likewise on the air-conditioning condenser when in-situ. If all seems fine, have the tanks taken off and get it rodded.
Before that; check that the ignition timing is correct.
Can you hear the viscous fan roaring when it gets warm? If not get a new one.
I replaced my dead condenser fan with a Davies Craig one for about $100; this is worth doing as well, as every little bit helps,
Cheers Charlie
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2nd March 2012, 12:57 PM
#9
Thanks Chazza
As the radiator and viscous unit are only a couple of months old, this should be fine, the mechanic also flushed the block and cleaned the temp sensor, and we replaced with a cooler thermostat, and all that has seemed a lot better. Next is indeed the condesor fans, cant believe it is on such a knife edge, but it is 32C at the moment.
Cheers
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3rd March 2012, 08:25 AM
#10
I fitted a new viscous unit and it lasted about a week. Make sure it roars then quietens down when you start the engine from cold. If it worked ok when new, test it again. I now have a Ford V8 one fitted while I am doing the electric fan mod.
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