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21st October 2013, 09:21 AM
loanrangie

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

Auto re-builds are expensive, auto's are slow, auto's have no control offroad... etc.

And for the record I had a 300tdi auto.

What a load of crap, my tdi auto will leave a manual for dead and i have no trouble leaving most vehicles at the lights wondering how a 4cl diesel in a 2 ton 4wd just beat them off the line.
Control comes down to the driver of which you have very little experience JR.
21st October 2013, 09:29 AM
Kevin B

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

There you go, I felt it unnecessary originally to point out in a 300tdi auto conversation, that I was talking about 300tdi's. I don't know if you're a troll or a grammar nazi, or just in love with automatic transmissions.

But I've never liked any I've driven off road. That's personal preference.

Theres no need for name calling...
21st October 2013, 10:26 AM
Dougal

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

What a load of crap, my tdi auto will leave a manual for dead and i have no trouble leaving most vehicles at the lights wondering how a 4cl diesel in a 2 ton 4wd just beat them off the line.
Control comes down to the driver of which you have very little experience JR.

From 0-50km/h an auto likely will win a sprint. Particularly if the turbo is laggy and an auto lets it stay on boost instead of dropping off with each gearchange in a manual.
21st October 2013, 12:40 PM
Tank

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Originally Posted by Dougal

I can understand exactly why you'd want to.
Basically people either like autos or they don't. I don't. That's the opinion side.

The fact side:
Manuals are more efficient. Compared to 4sp autos, a lot more efficient.
They give better engine braking.
They produce less heat.
Fewer oil lines and coolers.
They don't change gear when you don't want them to.

Minibloodhound. It's probably easiest to swap your entire pedal box too.

If you knew anything about autos you wouldn't make ridiculous claims.
First LR manual boxes have oil lines and coolers.
Second if you knew how to drive an auto you would know that you can put them in whatever gear you want and it will stay there till you decide to change (talking LR/ZF gearboxes).
Third an Auto doubles engine torque at stall revs, is easier on drivetrain components and actually puts more torque to the ground.
Fourth a clutch loses up to 75% of its torque until total lockup, is harder on drivetrain components.
Fifth try changing up or down a gear in a manual while climbing a steep climb hill without losing momentum.
Sixth, never had a problem with my auto downhill, you should learn how to lock-up the trans before going downhill.
What does it cost to buy a new/rebuilt 380, clutch/ pressure plate and in the case of the TD5, flywheel.
If you want to argue about Auto V Manuals at least get some facts right first, Regards Frank.
21st October 2013, 01:07 PM
minibloodhound

Thanks for ll the replies, even the spirited ones:angel:
I currently have an auto D4 and there is a D1 for sale with an auto, but would prefer a manual gearbox. The D4 is actually the first automatic I've ever owned and if I got the D1 as a play truck I think a manual would be the way to go.
Still weighing up the pros and cons of the actual D1 in question, but we'll see what the Minister for War and Finance has to say.
Either that or one of the perenties! :twisted:
21st October 2013, 01:13 PM
minibloodhound

FYI the vehicle in question is zuno555's Disco.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/10/428.jpg

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/vehicles-s...amo-disco.html
21st October 2013, 01:21 PM
MR LR

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

What a load of crap, my tdi auto will leave a manual for dead and i have no trouble leaving most vehicles at the lights wondering how a 4cl diesel in a 2 ton 4wd just beat them off the line.
Control comes down to the driver of which you have very little experience JR.

Oh that crap again, I remember you telling us all your 300tdi auto would blow the doors off a Commodore, bollocks, that's not even possible.

I've drag raced 300tdi auto's vs. manuals, and td5 autos's vs. manuals, the manual's always won.

I don't like them, I've found the manuals to be faster, and I prefer the control you get in a manual offroad. Thats MY choice.

I also love the fact that you're telling me that I'm an inexperienced driver because I can control a manual better LOL, that is DUMB. I can also drive a crash box, but I suppose that's just luck, being able to get the down change every time. And FYI I drove my auto though the gears 95% of the time, and 100% of the time off road.
21st October 2013, 01:39 PM
Kevin B

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

Oh that crap again, I remember you telling us all your 300tdi auto would blow the doors off a Commodore, bollocks, that's not even possible.

I've drag raced 300tdi auto's vs. manuals, and td5 autos's vs. manuals, the manual's always won.

I don't like them, I've found the manuals to be faster, and I prefer the control you get in a manual offroad. Thats MY choice.

I also love the fact that you're telling me that I'm an inexperienced driver because I can control a manual better LOL, that is DUMB. I can also drive a crash box, but I suppose that's just luck, being able to get the down change every time. And FYI I drove my auto though the gears 95% of the time, and 100% of the time off road.

So the sum of your experience is "Drag Racing" a Landrover.... Riiiiiiiiigth...
21st October 2013, 01:54 PM
Dougal

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Originally Posted by Tank

If you knew anything about autos you wouldn't make ridiculous claims.
First LR manual boxes have oil lines and coolers.

My manuals didn't have oil coolers or lines.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Second if you knew how to drive an auto you would know that you can put them in whatever gear you want and it will stay there till you decide to change (talking LR/ZF gearboxes).

Rubbish. It's an automatic because it changes gear AUTOMATICALLY. It changes down when you apply throttle even if you don't want it to and will only change up when it wants to.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Third an Auto doubles engine torque at stall revs, is easier on drivetrain components and actually puts more torque to the ground.
Fourth a clutch loses up to 75% of its torque until total lockup, is harder on drivetrain components.

Actually a clutch can lose 100%. That is exactly how they work.

Torque to the wheels depends on total gearing. The torque converter is an extremely inefficient way to increase torque and it does so at the expense of power and the production of a lot of heat.

Hence the oil coolers and lines so more of the energy you put in the tank gets lost as useless heat.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Fifth try changing up or down a gear in a manual while climbing a steep climb hill without losing momentum.

Try picking the right gear first.;)

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Originally Posted by Tank

Sixth, never had a problem with my auto downhill, you should learn how to lock-up the trans before going downhill.

I'll bet you use the brakes heavily. My ZF only locks up over about 85km/h on road in top gear. It can't be made to lockup downhill on over-run at slow speed.

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Originally Posted by Tank

What does it cost to buy a new/rebuilt 380, clutch/ pressure plate and in the case of the TD5, flywheel.
If you want to argue about Auto V Manuals at least get some facts right first, Regards Frank.

You've now introduced a TD5 flywheel to try to balance out the argument for a 300tdi automatic?:eek:

My facts are 100% right. Some you clearly didn't read (oil coolers & lines), others you've tried to divert the argument around.
21st October 2013, 02:27 PM
MR LR

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Originally Posted by Kevin B

So the sum of your experience is "Drag Racing" a Landrover.... Riiiiiiiiigth...

The claim was made that a 300tdi auto accelerates faster than a manual, how else would you determine the truth?

That is not the summation of my experience, you are being ridiculous.

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