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    Smile Back home again.

    Today I bought my old '97 Tdi 300 back off the guy I sold it to two and a half years ago, the reason.....it has blown a head gasket and he is in no way someone who can fix it himself and feels he had good value and use of the vehicle, so needed to retire it.
    He came back to me to try and diagnose why the temperature gauge was doing ups and downs rather rapidly and the engine was smelling hot, of course all the coolant was gone from the system, and all the compression was getting out through the coolant header tank. Strangely, the engine still starts and idles/runs sweet
    He decided that he had had good use from the old girl over the past 30 months with clocking an extra 50 odd thousand Klm, he decided it was time to cut and run. So rather than see the Tdi end up as a static display on his property, I made him a very reasonable, (read low), offer and won the bid, now of course it will be off with the head to try and see if the situation is repairable.
    The benefits to me are many as my present, ('98 Tdi), has a few shabby trim bits that I can swap over with the "old girl" plus it has 5 near new Toyo Hyperadial all terrains, new shocks, brake pads, 100AH alternator, two new Delcor calcium batteries, a fully re-bushed front axle plus a gearbox that has syncro's functioning so if we cannot solve the head issues it will become a donor for bits to keep the '98 running.
    Does any body have any idea what parts costs are approximately to replace the head gasket, assuming of course the head is salvageable, I suspect it has been very hot, and I seem to recall that heads for these Tdi's cannot be resurfaced successfully. I replaced the timing belt before selling it to him, plus refurbed the IP.
    Anyhow even if the engine is not retrievable it will be a good source of replacement bits for our '98.

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    If its been that hot then its time for a new head.
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    Give Turners in the UK a call 300TDI engine parts from Turner Engineering, LDF500180 cylinder head Excellent service,parts arrive within the week.

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    Talking Not the new head thingie....

    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    If its been that hot then its time for a new head.
    I have repaired a few cylinder heads over the years, but I am puzzled why these particular engines seem to have "throwaway" heads, the engine is not high tech, so why are they so disposable, what happens to them?
    As I have more time than money for what is only a bit of a project and a sentimental attachment to the old Disco, I will see what can be done with what we have already have to work with, it is an old car I guess so it may be that it will just become a parts donor car for our other Disco. Anyway, this particular car would not be valued to the price of a new head, like the old joke, "fill the tank and double the value of the vehicle".

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    The heads when new have an anodizing coating put on the head surface and machining to get rid of the warp (usually between 2&3) removes this coating. The metal in the head can become soft so even if you machine the warp out it will warp again blowing another head gasket (composite), I have found that by using the Laminated metal head gasket, even with a warped head you will get satisfactory service from a warped, then machined head. Also the head is also prone to cracks, the ones around the glow plug holes are not a worry, but when they crack across valve seat pockets or into water jackets they are scrap. Solution, cast iron head, which no one makes, Regards Frank.

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    Talking Brilliant minds.......

    Cast iron head, YES!, my sentiments exactly Frank, I've said it before mate, you're a man after my own heart. While we are solving Disco "Achilles heel" problems lets get rid of that stupid timing belt and fit a double row timing chain, absolutely perfect, reliable turbo diesel engine that would have given the Disco a reputation of strength and durability same that is attributed to the Toyota Diesels.

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    Gaz,
    I have a couple of heads that may be in better condition than the chuffer.
    As Frank has said, they can get soft after skimming but a 10thou skim to flatten then MLS gasket and you should be good to go

    I have a new mill now that you would be welcome to spin the handles on if you are up to doing it yourself. Have a 1" High speed Steel fly cutter or a much larger 2" carbide tipped fly cutter but it is missing one tooth (out of 6) as I said thou I have a few heads so you could have a practice run!!!!

    The issue will be whether the current head is gone at the gasket or internally between valve and water jacket.

    S

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    Smile

    Steve, I am sort of thinking it is just the head gasket leaking gas out into the jacket, we topped up the coolant and let the engine sit then started it up, it kicked off with no hydraulicing started up sweet as on all 4 cylinders, but as soon as it runs it pushes gouts of water out of whatever is open in the cooling system.
    I would have thought that a crack in the head may provide a direct flow of water into the cylinder resulting in a hydraulic lock on restart.
    Thanks for the offer of use of the mill, I am out of town for a week or two but will check in with you when I'm back.
    What is the good oil on a replacement head gasket, Frank mentioned a special one as well, laminated metal?
    Gaz.

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    It's a laminated metal gasket, 3 sheets of metal, looks like steel top and bottom and some sort of alloy in the middle, they have no composite gasket material like the originals.
    Most of the sellers of new heads state that unless you use the supplied metal laminated gasket when installing their new head then the warranty on the head is void.
    I believe the stronger laminated gasket will hold the head flatter that a composite (soft) gasket, IMO.
    I had 3 compo. gaskets blow with my old warped head in a 12 month period. Even after I had it machined, after fitting the laminated steel gasket with the now warped again head I had no more blown gaskets over the next few years, have now fitted a new (AMC) head with the supplied laminated gasket, Regards Frank.

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