300 tDi "lag" on takeoff

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Originally Posted by MR LR

Yeah, sorry, but your Aussie 300tdi auto has the same engine as the manuals... you can thank our relaxed emissions rules and your mechanical injector pump for your loss of 8kW!

It's quite clear that you try and press your opinion, that an auto has a superior off road ability to a manual, on the forum, what you neglect to acknowledge, is what I first pointed out; it depends specifically on personal preference, user ability, and environment, there is no one size fits all transmission, as Land Rovers don't have double clutch automated manuals available. A manual may not suit you, for whatever reason, I won't make assumptions about your driving ability, but for me and many others, a manual is a far, far better option, it helps when you know how to handle a manual box :p

I'll stand by the statement that a decent driver can get so much more out of a manual than an auto, the reason so many people choose auto's is that they simple can't drive well. For rock crawling with big horsies, go auto, the power is available for the auto to soak up, for an all rounder a manual is far superior IMO.

For the record, I'm not telling anyone that has an auto to get a manual, they both have their merits.

Cheers
Will

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Well Mr. perfect know it all you have just spewed forth another load of crap, I agreed it was a personal preference to what box you preferred, but now you are making it personal, so while you are playing with your stick*, I'll get on driving the high country and towing vehicles with manual boxes up big hills, Regards Frank.
*(stick shift i.e.)

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Originally Posted by Dougal

If your speedo is broken, how do you know your fuel economy?

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Doh! cos I know how many KLMS it is to where I'm going, go and play with your sheep, Regards Frank.

Seems Frank doest like to loose. I had a discussion with him on a different subject and worked that out. His IS BIGGER.

Dave

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Originally Posted by Tank

Well Mr. perfect know it all you have just spewed forth another load of crap, I agreed it was a personal preference to what box you preferred, but now you are making it personal, so while you are playing with your stick*, I'll get on driving the high country and towing vehicles with manual boxes up big hills, Regards Frank.
*(stick shift i.e.)

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Good on you, I won't rain on your parade of automatic superiority by telling you about me skull dragging an auto 4WD up a steep pinch of Wild Horse track near Dargo, I suppose you'll say that's impossible/rubbish too in a manual... But if that makes me perfect then thanks for the compliment! :)

Please enlighten me on how anything I've said is a load of crap, literally your only comeback has been assumptions that I enjoy using a gear stick for any more than the pleasure drivers get from having full control, yet apparently asking questions is making things personal? Bit of a hypocrite aren't you.

Cheers
Will

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Originally Posted by SouthOz

Seems Frank doest like to loose. I had a discussion with him on a different subject and worked that out. His IS BIGGER.

Dave

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Likes to push his weight around...

If he said autos are easier to drive offroad there would be no contest, but I assume that wouldn't do anything for his self esteem.

Should get on a truck forum and say autos are better... LOL

Why don't you go to a truck Forum and just see how many Auto's are in use nowadays, I used to drive 15 speed RR and 12 sp Macks and old Eaton 5 and 3.splitters, autos were slush boxes back then, But they rule on and off road today, some people can't be educated in these new fangled things and you 2 seem to fall into that heap. Not to worry though in a few years you won't be able to buy a manual Land Rover, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Why don't you go to a truck Forum and just see how many Auto's are in use nowadays, I used to drive 15 speed RR and 12 sp Macks and old Eaton 5 and 3.splitters, autos were slush boxes back then, But they rule on and off road today, some people can't be educated in these new fangled things and you 2 seem to fall into that heap. Not to worry though in a few years you won't be able to buy a manual Land Rover, Regards Frank.

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Actually Frank, torque converter automatics are virtually unheard of in trucking. What they are using is automated manual gearboxes. They are a manual gearbox with the computer doing the gear-changing and clutching for you.

4 speed TC autos don't rule anything and never have. Just so you know, I currently own two of them. One bolted to a 300tdi, the other to a 3.9 V8.

I'm not too worried about not being able to buy a brand-new manual landrover (in the unlikely event that the new defender doesn't have a manual option). My current manual Isuzu powered one will still do the job nicely.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Why don't you go to a truck Forum and just see how many Auto's are in use nowadays, I used to drive 15 speed RR and 12 sp Macks and old Eaton 5 and 3.splitters, autos were slush boxes back then, But they rule on and off road today, some people can't be educated in these new fangled things and you 2 seem to fall into that heap. Not to worry though in a few years you won't be able to buy a manual Land Rover, Regards Frank.

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So one minute you're being macho about it, but when it suits you you start talking about automated MANUALS, go and tell them you like an automatic, not an automated manual, all the truckies I know at least, will laugh you out of there.

Automated manuals and automatics are very different things, all I've ever read on this forum is you recommending a dated, asthmatic, gutless engine and gearbox combination in the form of a 300tdi auto, a hydraulic controlled auto with no lock up in anything but top, useless for the open road, at even a slight incline, also useless for any kind of controlled technical four wheel driving. The engine is fantastic and honest, I miss mine, but it was way too gutless for the auto.

A 300tdi auto is not a new fangled thing, nor are any of those horrid F-trucks you keep blabbering about?! (Relevance/10?).

As I've already said, a double clutch automated manual with a good spread of ratios and some user interface would be very good for four wheel driving, that's a lot different to anything you've spoken about... And a lot newer and more fangled :p

That's all I'm going to say on the subject, at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference.

Cheers
Will

Anyhow to get back on topic a quick fix for the lag gently remove the welch plug on the boost compensator on the injector pump unlock the lock nut and wind the screw in one turn and lock it back up re fit plug with sealer if you have damaged it. Will be a huge improvement in off idle performance and not enough fuel to need to worry about exaust temp but there's plenty of info on modding the 300pump on the net but that adjustment alown will make the biggest improvement .

To the OP - sorry that your topic was hijacked. Hopefully people will show a bit more respect and stick to the topic.

My question for you - what revs are you letting the clutch out at? I found both my previous 200tdi and now my Td5 hesitate if I release the clutch at low revs as they do like a few more revs to get moving.