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    Lower Engine temparature is it good or not???

    Reading posts on overheating and engine temperatures, and people stating how good their cooling is, it keeps engine temperatures 70-80 C or so, brings me to the following question.

    Is lower temperature really good for the engine? I know that petrol engine efficiency increases with temperature. I'm not sure if it's the same with diesels, but I guess so.

    So correct thing to state would be that good cooling system brings engine to operating temperature (90 C) in relatively short period of time and keeps it as close to 90. Cooling system is NOT good if it keeps the engine as much as cool as possible.

    Any comments?

    Thanks

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    Pretty much correct. The optimal operating temperature for any internal combustion engine is as high as is possible without causing damage to some part of the engine. This varies with the engine, and might be, for example, block or head distortion due to local boiling, or lubrication failure (not likely with modern oils, but still possible), or, on petrol engines, preignition.

    Generally a good idea to have a margin between the operating temperature and the temperature where damage starts, but this margin need only be about ten degrees.

    So the ideal cooling system does not overcool, but allows temperature to rise rapidly to this optimal temperature, even starting from below freezing. However, since it also has to have sufficient cooling capacity to avoid exceeding this temperature in 50 degree temperatures, while heavily loaded at low speed in sand, what is needed is an effective thermostat.

    In practice though, owners generally prefer a system that overcools, as while this results in excess fuel usage and excess wear, unlike a system that allows overheating, it is not likely to result in catastrophic engine failure.

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    Thanx for the conformation!

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    While it is just one example and certainly doesn't constitute definitive proof, I found that a vehicle with no thermostat used more fuel.

    I had a suspicion that my 1992 Camry had no thermostat or that the thermostat was stuck open. The engine took a long time to warm up and the gauge would drop when going down the Clyde Mt.

    I wasn't at home at the time, so had no chance to investigate. I had a 500 km drive home where I was able to confirm that there was no thermostat.

    I used over 9 litres/100km on that trip. After fitting a new thermostat, I have done the same trip three times since then with the same number of kayaks on top and on each of those trips I used 8.25 litres/100km.

    I suspect that the extent to which fuel consumption is affected would depend on just how cool the engine was and how much the engine management system enriched the mixture to deal with the cold engine.

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