Thread: D1 300TDI Timing Assistance

Originally Posted by gusthedog

...... I will do an inspection on the idler and tensioner - hopefully they're ok and I don't need to replace them. As I'm on a tight budget, I'm hoping that's the case.

Wish me luck!

I think false economy.
Last things you want to go wrong are those two.

I dunno how much you paid for the belt alone, but when I last looked, they were in the $100 range(give or take a tenner or so), but the timing belt kits were in the high $100's. IIRC I paid $180 for my last one(or maybe my first one) .. either way you can get them quite cheap instead of going individual parts route.

There are 'recommendations' for when changing tdi timing belts.
One of those things that you may find is regularly recommended is the front main seal. Not the dust cover seal, the front main seal behind the belts' crank pulley. There is also an O-ring behind it that should probably be replaced too.

Another thing I would recommend to change are both the woodruff keys too. They're only a couple of bucks, so don't break the bank.

Did you get the timing cover seal? Almost certainly it will break when you try to remove the cover, or the seal. It's not vital, and I guess you could use an RTV if you had too .. but again seal is cheap.
Watch for the washer behind the standoff for the centre bolt in the cover too.

Do you have a torque wrench to do the tensioner for the belt?
Clickety types are no good, and torque value is very low. I use a deflecting beam type on it.

Biggest issue I had was first time around trying to get the 80Nm and then 90° turn on the harmonic balancer bolt. Mine is auto so can't lock trans/engine to get a solid lock on the crank to do it. I bought a crank holding tool for it. Holy crap! ... that 90° turn was a mongrel to do .. properly.
First time around I made up a garbage flat bar tool with only 3 bolts holding onto the harmonic balancer and it snapped whilst I was doing the 90° turn, so I lost my 'bearings' and stuff it in the end. No biggie in the long run, but annoying to have to redo stuff.

I assume that with a manual, if you lock the CDL, in 1st or reverse, park brake on, wheels chocked .. it may hold the crank hard enough to do the final tighten .. if you ain't done it before just be aware of some of the tips out there.

blacknight has a tute somewhere on here.

Cheers for the reply AK83.

The full kits are now $220 odd. At this stage I just ordered the belt, gasket and fan removal spanner. I have a nice heavy duty torque wrench and a good breaker bar so should be ok there.

I agree that I probably should do all the maintenance and will reassess. Unfortunately though I'm currently skint and have to get this car on the road ASAP as my partner uses the other car for work and I have to drive the sprogs around.

I didn't know there would be this much work getting it on the road to be honest. I'm also a bit worried about the amount of oil coming from the transfer case. Which will need a seal kit sooner rather than later.

You expect this type of thing with a 24 year old car so it's all understandable. Especially as the car hadn't been driven much in the past year or two.

I spoke with a mate last night who has a new Nissan patrol v8. He is paying $4k to get his timing chain done! At least the Landy all up should come to less than $500 for this job including the purchase of the timing gauge I got. Landy parts are a steal compared to Toyota or Nissan parts. Which is lucky! Got to keep things in perspective.

I took the fan out today and that gave me heaps more room. I then could hammer a 3/8 socket on. First time failed. Second times a charm. Got the bastard off!

Yay!

Next, time the pump up. Got it to 1.6 of lift but the pin wouldn't drop in. Backed it off to 1.4 and the pin went in. Sweet. So I try and put the plate and bolts back in loosely at 1.4 and then I will raise to 1.6 via the gauge as planned. But guess what? The new bolts I got must be a different thread. They are m8 bolts and they look identical to the originals except for the 12mm instead of 10mm heads.

So I then retried one of the old bolts and couldn't get any of the 3 to even start. So I stopped and ordered the correct bolts. BUT, I think the gorilla who did up the bolts last may have actually stuffed the threads in the pump pulley. FFS.

So I will try and install the new bolts when they get here and hope to hell the thread isn't stuffed.

I was so happy when I got the bolt out - thinking I didn't have to take the timing cover off and go through all that hooplah. But I may have to do that and more If the threads in the pulley are stuffed.

I only have an m8x1 and m8x1.25 tap on my set. No one would know off hand the thread type of those 3 bolts that hold the pulley to the guide would they? Because if I could run a tap through the pulley (if I have to take it off if the thread is stuffed) I might be able to get away with fixing the one I have, rather than ordering a new one.

So now I wait with trepidation and hope to hell the new bolts go in ok.

Really happy with the little gauge I got to measure the pump lift though. Works great.

do not run a tap through the pully with it mounted or the pump on the engine unless you are a top shot with the tap

if you skew it even slightly you are fingered for getting a bolt to go in and hold.

use a thread chaser or make one from the correct size bolt by cutting it with a hack saw.

This is one of those lessons I learnt from having to fix someone else's butchery, you can now learn it without any of the pain.

good luck

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

do not run a tap through the pully.....

if you skew it even slightly you are fingered for getting a bolt to go in and hold.

use a thread chaser or make one from the correct size bolt by cutting it with a hack saw.

This is one of those lessons I learnt from having to fix someone else's butchery, you can now learn it without any of the pain.

good luck

Awesome Blknight. Appreciate the heads up.

So today's adventures. The reason I couldn't get the bolts of the timing pump in is that it's +/- one tooth on the timing belt. I realised this when I hold the pump in at 1.6mm lift, I can't get the bolts in because they are hidden behind the pulley which means the timing belt is out.

So just pulled out the radiator and drained it and am going to call it a day and have a beer. Will have to order a full timing kit now. Very frustrated. I think I've got it with this car, and then it throws another curve ball at me.

So bloody annoying. I have only driven the bastard thing once, and now I've missed my window of getting it on the road for this week and will have to walk my kids around town in the bloody rain.

That and now the missus car has a flat tyre. That's the 4th in those Goodyear tyres. Will have to get some new ones tomorrow. At least we have one working car.

Did I mention I also had to get my dog put down this week and my son jammed a pen grip up his nose and got a nice ride to emergency in Melbourne?

So if anyone wants to buy a disco, hit me up. It's in pieces in my shed

Originally Posted by gusthedog

So today's adventures. The reason I couldn't get the bolts of the timing pump in is that it's +/- one tooth on the timing belt. I realised this when I hold the pump in at 1.6mm lift, I can't get the bolts in because they are hidden behind the pulley which means the timing belt is out.

So just pulled out the radiator and drained it and am going to call it a day and have a beer. Will have to order a full timing kit now. Very frustrated. I think I've got it with this car, and then it throws another curve ball at me.

So bloody annoying. I have only driven the bastard thing once, and now I've missed my window of getting it on the road for this week and will have to walk my kids around town in the bloody rain.

That and now the missus car has a flat tyre. That's the 4th in those Goodyear tyres. Will have to get some new ones tomorrow. At least we have one working car.

Did I mention I also had to get my dog put down this week and my son jammed a pen grip up his nose and got a nice ride to emergency in Melbourne?

So if anyone wants to buy a disco, hit me up. It's in pieces in my shed

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