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  1. #11
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    Good luck mate!

    BTW - it's unlikely the bottom end would suffer from being dusted. The ingested grit will have just honed the heck out of your cylinders and sand blasted your turbo vanes, valves, seats and injector tips.

    While the heads can be on the fragile side with heat spikes, the cranks are quality units but that said - ensure the journals are micrometered and have the rebuilder renew the bearing shells as a matter of course (And for your piece of mind!)

    Finally, the more air you can cram into a turbo'd engine the better. In my opinion - keep your foam filters and rest assured that with a snorkel and secure airbox - you'll have a good air intake system.

    If it's going to prey on your conscience - go back to a paper filter for piece of mind
    (Good idea with the ceramic coating - don't forget to stress relieve the webs on the manifold while you have it off)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrol 32 View Post
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    I have been advised that the two pad foam filters which I have fitted provide more air than the engine can use, so I may revert to the original paper filters.

    Thanks again for all your help.

    Michael
    Which filters were you using? Did the filters fail or did something come loose?

    You may want to have a read here:
    Air Filter Tests (Finally)
    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/good-oil/3...ve-answer.html



    Quote Originally Posted by Catmatt View Post
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    BTW - it's unlikely the bottom end would suffer from being dusted. The ingested grit will have just honed the heck out of your cylinders and sand blasted your turbo vanes, valves, seats and injector tips.


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    Finally, the more air you can cram into a turbo'd engine the better. In my opinion - keep your foam filters and rest assured that with a snorkel and secure airbox - you'll have a good air intake system.

    If it's going to prey on your conscience - go back to a paper filter for piece of mind
    (Good idea with the ceramic coating - don't forget to stress relieve the webs on the manifold while you have it off)
    A fair bit of dust would have made its way to the bottom end. The TD5 has good oil filtration (MANN+HUMMEL bypass centrifuge), however I wouldn't place money on the bottom end still being OK. A new set of bearing shells shouldn't cost much.

    There is absolutely no way I would do the canning (or similar) with a foam/cotton air filter. Unless I was driving someone else's car and had a spare ride in case the vehicle died part way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzurover View Post
    . A new set of bearing shells shouldn't cost much.
    Could have sworn I suggested that - "renew the bearing shells as a matter of course"

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    That's bad luck, and a tough call on the best way to remedy things.

    And another reason to stick with the standard Land Rover filters if you ask me.

    Hope you get your car back ASAP.

    Cheers
    David

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    DUSTED TD5

    Hello again all,

    My apologies for the delay in following up on my earlier posts.

    I have headed down the rebuild path, mainly because I am a traditionalist and prefer to fix broken things rather than throw them out.

    After very careful costing, several quotes and several options, I have procured all the necessary engine parts from Turner Engineering and Land Rover Direct in UK. There were some very tense months there watching the Aus dollar dip and rise, however lucky for me the GCF is to our advantage!

    I have been introduced to a local wizard, Heinz of Heinz Performance Engineering in Welshpool, who is doing the re-build. I arranged with Heinz in advance to supply the parts, so after he stripped and inspected the engine, I ordered all the parts. Luckily only one cylinder required a sleeve, while 2-4 required oversize pistons. I have replaced the cam chain and sprockets, big and small end bearings, gaskets and pistons etc.
    Heinz has machined the head and block, valves and exhaust manifold, ultra sonic cleaned the aftercooler etc etc. Hienz de-bunked all the talk on forums regarding machining the heads and the block and having seen the work it is truly beautiful, not a tooling mark or blemish to be seen or felt.

    The total cost is A$7,750.62 including fitting.

    I have also had the inlet and exhaust manifolds, turbo and exhaust pipes ceramic coated.

    I may very soon eat my words, as the vehicle is not finished yet, however I am convinced that Heinz knows his trade and is doing a superb job on the engine. By the way Heinz has been working for a number of mining companies recently, investigating failures of the Toymota TDV8 but that's another story.

    I can tell you all that there is a lot of bull on global forums about what you can and can't do in rebuilding engines, and in particular the TD5. From my experience, the whole engine can be rebuilt like any other, all the parts are available and affordable and so long as your mechanics and engineers know thier trades then the TD5 can be restored.

    I hope to bring photos and a post test run report in the next week or so.

    Thanks again for your interest and participation.

    Michael.
    Last edited by Patrol 32; 22nd March 2011 at 05:45 PM. Reason: Forgot critical detail!

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    Good to hear that you are rebuilding it. Price is a little scary, but not stupid scary

    Lucky you found Heinz!

    Be interested to hear how it progresses.

    Also - tell us some more about the TDV8 failures he is investigating.

    Cheers
    David

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    TOYMOTA TDV8

    Spudboy,

    Heinz said the mining companies are having two main problems:
    1.

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    Oh, where's the rest of this post?

    I'm interested!

    Maybe a new thread perhaps would be better?

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    It's those Toyota Hit Men stamping out any negative posts.

    I had problems with my Land Cruiser when it

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    I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why it seems so expensive to rebuild these diesel engines. I'll admit to never having played with one (yet, have a project to turn for a drag car). But were talking at least half the price I can build a 600hp toyo V8 for that'll run reliably to 8000 and sit on 6000 all day.

    Is it machining, parts, or are some just paying too much labour? Bottom end assembly isn't difficult and certainly not out of the question if you're able to remove the engine from the car. I see the same issue in boat engines. Inlaws paid over 10k for a V6 chev/mercruiser rebuild. The parts alone (were) 5.5k until I investigated and could source the same parts retail for less than 2k.

    Personally I think some just add a public tax for things like diesels and boats just beacause people assume they're expensive because they get quoted more than once exorbitant prices and everyone complains about the prices so it must be right.

    Theres no difference in machining a block (apart from individual setup) wether it be alloy or cast, petrol, diesel, car or boat. Bearings, pistons, rings, gaskets, still not that much.

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