Thread: Suspension - Bilsteins 7100

Are they getting valved before shipment or here? I only ask because valving here at Heasmans when I inquired was more than the cost of 2 shocks valved from the US.

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

Are they getting valved before shipment or here? I only ask because valving here at Heasmans when I inquired was more than the cost of 2 shocks valved from the US.

Surely you would specify the valving that you want prior to their departure from the USA. Isn't that what the discussion about the 400/100 or 360/80 was earlier in this thread, the rear valving.

Originally Posted by disco_disco

Ohh really thanks heaps . sweet so its just a matter of getting them re-valved when they get here ?

Sorry, it was someone else's Q about getting valved on arrival.

L8 for fox/7100's were valved inclusive in pricing. Quote for 7100's was over $350- ea here.

This is what you need to order from eshocks.com


AK7110SB06Bilstein 7100 Series Shocks: 10 inch Travel Reservoir - Reservoir Shock - Short Body (8 Inch) - 360/80 $178.60 - $714.40

BD4-Z005A021/2 inch to 12mm Step Down Spacer$3.57 - $57.12


T O T A L SSub Total$771.52

AND from Rover TYM

Lower shock mounts

http://www.rovertym.com/products?pag...category_id=12

cheers

Originally Posted by XHPBT1

This is what you need to order from eshocks.com


AK7110SB06Bilstein 7100 Series Shocks: 10 inch Travel Reservoir - Reservoir Shock - Short Body (8 Inch) - 360/80 $178.60 - $714.40

Are you running the same shock unit front and rear (you've only listed above AK7110SB06 Reservoir Shock - Short Body (8 Inch) 360/80 Extended Length: 24.29" Collapsed Length: 14.06")?
Reading back over some previous posts:

Previously you quoted your invoice with (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1531616-post7.html) and also at the begining of this thread in when you had done your research (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1372336-post1.html):

AK7110SB05 Reservoir Shock 8" Body 10" Rod 275/78 Valving Extended Length: 24.29" Collapsed Length: 14.06"
AK7110SB06 Reservoir Shock - Short Body (8 Inch) 360/80 Extended Length: 24.29" Collapsed Length: 14.06"

So the same rear shock as you mentioned above, but using a lower pressure front.

Phil/Discowhite purchased (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1372727-post15.html):

AK7110R06 10" Travel Shock with Reservoir 360/80 Valving Extended Length: 26.06" Collapsed Length: 16.03"
AK7110SB05 Reservoir Shock 8" Body 10" Rod 275/78 Valving Extended Length: 24.29" Collapsed Length: 14.06"

It seems he is using the same front shock, but a longer rear.

Any idea why a longer rear? How did you decide what length to purchase on? What lift does your vehicle have? Mine has 2". I actually have Phils old D2, so might try to contact him and ask.

Originally Posted by XHPBT1

BD4-Z005A021/2 inch to 12mm Step Down Spacer$3.57 - $57.12

So I need 16x BD4-Z005A02 1/2 inch to 12mm Step Down Spacer ( eshocks.com: Off-Road Rod Ends / Uniballs ) - $57.12 / $3.76 is 16 (4 per shockie).

Originally Posted by XHPBT1

AND from Rover TYM

Lower shock mounts

http://www.rovertym.com/products?pag...category_id=12

cheers

No dramas there, that makes sense.

How are your remote reservoir canisters mounted? Did you have to fit brackets to the chasis? Do they mount on the shockies bodies?

Are any other bushes needed for the shockies?

Thanks for all the info. Just trying to cross all the t's and dot the i's now to make sure I order the exact right parts!

Originally Posted by twr7cx

Are you running the same shock unit front and rear (you've only listed above AK7110SB06 Reservoir Shock - Short Body (8 Inch) 360/80 Extended Length: 24.29" Collapsed Length: 14.06")?
Reading back over some previous posts:

Previously you quoted your invoice with (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1531616-post7.html) and also at the begining of this thread in when you had done your research (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1372336-post1.html):

So the same rear shock as you mentioned above, but using a lower pressure front.

Phil/Discowhite purchased (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1372727-post15.html):

It seems he is using the same front shock, but a longer rear.

Any idea why a longer rear? How did you decide what length to purchase on? What lift does your vehicle have? Mine has 2". I actually have Phils old D2, so might try to contact him and ask.

So I need 16x BD4-Z005A02 1/2 inch to 12mm Step Down Spacer ( eshocks.com: Off-Road Rod Ends / Uniballs ) - $57.12 / $3.76 is 16 (4 per shockie).

No dramas there, that makes sense.

How are your remote reservoir canisters mounted? Did you have to fit brackets to the chasis? Do they mount on the shockies bodies?

Are any other bushes needed for the shockies?

Thanks for all the info. Just trying to cross all the t's and dot the i's now to make sure I order the exact right parts!

Ok I did put 275/78 on the front but if I had my time again I would put 360/80 on the front hands down...

Next the lengths of the shocks I chose due to a 2" lift and SLS rear i got 2" from the sls with a sls spacer ... Though this length of the rear shocks are near the length for a 2" lift shock... if you don't have sls then u could probably go a little longer for the rear...

Mounting the canister for the rear it mounts on the shock.. Though the front I'm still trying to figure out a good mount for it as u really don't want the canister in the engine bay due to engine heat...

Sorry you need 12 spacers if you have the shock mount at the front with a 12mm bolt...

Fitting the front shock you will have to alter the shock mount at the top I will post photos next week as the extended family are borrowing it at the moment

Hope this help, if you would like help fitting them, and u live in Brisbane I'm happy to help

Cheers, David

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To answer a few questions:

The 1/2" to 12mm reducer bushes are 2 pieces per shock end. They may come with the shocks, otherwise speak to Sydney Shocks (Heasemans) who will supply them. You will also need to cut/machine some spacers as the Bilstein assembly is narrower than a regular bush setup. Pics.



Re valving, 400/100 on the rear is for a lot of load - like loaded! They are a control and performance shock specification, not a comfort shock. The 360/80 is perfect for those who load periodically and will ride about 20% softer but will also improve the performance of the shocks under the Disco - I think most would prefer this spec unless they are setup as a tourer all of the time (ie shelves, fridge, 2nd batt in the rear, long range tanks etc all of the time). Depending on what shock lengths you want, the Australian (not US) Patrol GQ/GU rear shock is valved the same and a cheaper option with bushes instead of Rose (heim) joints - I think these are around 650mm or similar.

The shocks have a major influence on the handling and the handling balance of the vehicle. My opinion is that the front shocks need to be softer than the rears. F360/80 works really really well with R400/100 and is balanced. I wouldn't run 360/80 all round, it will be too stiff at the front, I'd run the 275/78 which will feel very similar but hopefully maintain a better balance in the handling and comfort.

I'm sure all of these valvings are standard for the 7100's. Also note that 360/80 can be hard on bushes but is ok, 400/100 is really hard on shock bushes.

If you fit remote canisters, the shocks go in upsidedown - I'd be thinking about rock damage on the shafts of the rear shocks and I'm not sure there is a good way to protect them. This is the are that takes the hits. A regular buggy shock like the 6100 allows you to run the shock upright and then shield the body.

Re the ACE - ACE makes no difference to the shock. Ignore the ACE/No ACE spec. No fitment problems either.

Re SLS, these need to be softer on the bump spec. In reality there is a wide variation in shock specs so it is more important to get the valving that you want. What is absolutely critical with SLS however, is that the shock length DOES NOT allow the bags to be pulled at all. This will cause the bags to seperate and fail, and it will happen when you're 4WDing.

These shocks run a rose (heim) joint top and bottom. These joints are strong but not durable in the shocks. Perfect for racing applications which is what the shocks are specifically designed for. The joints lasted 6months before clicking for me. It's worth knowing this and considering it. You can replace the joints but it will be a recurring problem. I ended up have the shocks stripped and revalved and at the same time Bilstein Racing cut the heims off and reTIG'd the small type bush mounts - then I ran round poly bushes - no problems since.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

To answer a few questions:

The 1/2" to 12mm reducer bushes are 2 pieces per shock end. They may come with the shocks, otherwise speak to Sydney Shocks (Heasemans) who will supply them. You will also need to cut/machine some spacers as the Bilstein assembly is narrower than a regular bush setup. Pics.

Thanks for that additional info Slunnie.
In your picture, I assume the two centre stepped items are the reduced bushes and the thick washers are the spacers?
For the spacers can I just pack it with normal washers from a nuts and bolts place, do you think? Any chance you recall how thick it needs to be spaced?