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    Quote Originally Posted by spraycanmansam View Post
    Hi guys,

    I have a D1 that I'm returning to standard height and I really like the look of the Bilsteins. I'm not too familiar with the differences between the D1 and D2, but I'm assuming I can fit D2 turrets to replace the D1 pin type turrets?
    Some mentioned that they were bottoming out the shocks without raising the turrets so it would be really helpful to get some more info on spring and turret heights... I'll probably fit some HD turrets and it seems like there's quite a few different types/heights out there.

    Cheers,
    Sam
    I’m just going through front shock/spring upgrade now...previously I’ve just taken what I’ve read on line and figured the setup was correct.

    This time round I measured open-closed between the shock mounts (-50mm) using a hi-lift jack than went onto the manufacturers website and selected the right shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Would have to fab new turrets as mines eas. Was looking at other brands of remote cannisters anyway. Can get a good deal on amada xtremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spraycanmansam View Post
    Hi guys,

    I have a D1 that I'm returning to standard height and I really like the look of the Bilsteins. I'm not too familiar with the differences between the D1 and D2, but I'm assuming I can fit D2 turrets to replace the D1 pin type turrets?
    Some mentioned that they were bottoming out the shocks without raising the turrets so it would be really helpful to get some more info on spring and turret heights... I'll probably fit some HD turrets and it seems like there's quite a few different types/heights out there.

    Cheers,
    Sam
    Not sure if the D2 turret fit the D1(I'll check later), but the problem will be if you try this will be the D1's pin type lower mount.
    The D2's shocks use eye mounts top and bottom, so if you fit D2 turrets into a D1, you then have the situation of which shock to fit that has an eye top mount and pin bottom mount.
    Otherwise you'll need to source a pin to eye adapter for the D1 too.
    Note that you can get pin to eye mount adapters, which will also decrease the closed shock distance in std ride height config, so you'd also need raised turrets to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post
    Not sure if the D2 turret fit the D1(I'll check later), but the problem will be if you try this will be the D1's pin type lower mount.
    The D2's shocks use eye mounts top and bottom, so if you fit D2 turrets into a D1, you then have the situation of which shock to fit that has an eye top mount and pin bottom mount.
    Otherwise you'll need to source a pin to eye adapter for the D1 too.
    Note that you can get pin to eye mount adapters, which will also decrease the closed shock distance in std ride height config, so you'd also need raised turrets to compensate.
    Turrets are interchangeable between d1 and d2.

    U can get an Eye to Pin Adapter shock eye pin adapter at DuckDuckGo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    I've also looked into these. Have you noticed they are identical to FOX shocks? Coincidence? I think not...

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    14" Bilstein 7100s?

    Has anyone here fitted the non-remote reservoir 14" travel Bilstein 7100s?

    Closed length is approx 20" amd open is approx 33.5" which makes it a big 5.5" longer than the 10" RR 7100s closed.

    Do I need anything else from RTEFab apart from the following:

    https://rtefab.com/product/gen-2-fro...-shock-towers/

    https://rtefab.com/product/front-lower-shock-mounts/

    Rear Lower Shock Mounts – RTE-FAB

    Rear Upper Shock Mounts – RTE-FAB

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbztract View Post
    Has anyone here fitted the non-remote reservoir 14" travel Bilstein 7100s?

    Closed length is approx 20" amd open is approx 33.5" which makes it a big 5.5" longer than the 10" RR 7100s closed.

    Do I need anything else from RTEFab apart from the following:

    https://rtefab.com/product/gen-2-fro...-shock-towers/

    https://rtefab.com/product/front-lower-shock-mounts/

    Rear Lower Shock Mounts – RTE-FAB

    Rear Upper Shock Mounts – RTE-FAB
    I havent done the maths on your fitment, so I'll trust you've looked at that.

    The towers link - if thats what you need. Again, I haven't done the maths. However, those towers appear to me to lower the top mount rather than raise it.

    The front lowers, have a look at the option of spinning onto the shaft the Bilstein small rubber bush and then pushing a barpin through it. You will need shims to keep it centralised, but it may be a more elegant solution that doesn't further increase your effective shock lengths (which already look extremely long).

    The rear upper and lowers don't suit the Disco2. These parts are for the classics. D2 rear lower is already eye and the D2 upper is fixed, not bolted - that part looks like it lowers the top mount also rather than raises. I havent heard of these being fitted to a D2, so cant comment there.

    Have you also looked at Watts linkages, Xmember, brake lines, ABS lines, bumpstops, front propshaft and obviously seriously big springs to suit.
    Cheers
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    Would need to lift the towers close to 150mm with those shocks

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    What's the max out point of travel for a D2 radius arm Slunnie?

    A Deefer isn't much over maxing out at 10" before you need slotted bushes/Superior flex arms/3 link, etc so I'm guessing the D2 won't be a hell of a lot better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    What's the max out point of travel for a D2 radius arm Slunnie?

    A Deefer isn't much over maxing out at 10" before you need slotted bushes/Superior flex arms/3 link, etc so I'm guessing the D2 won't be a hell of a lot better?
    Mate I think you're on the money there. I'm not sure with swaybars or disconnects, but with ACE I really don't think you're getting articulation that uses the full stroke on a 10" shock and I suspect disconnects wont offer much more than what ACE gives (The ACE ram maxs out with 10" shocks and the roll bar is really stiff). For articulation ACE or disconnects reduces the roll resistance but really the radius arms put a cap on things. 14" shocks will give you a mass of travel, but it still wont articulate more than what the radius arms allow. Unless you're looking to jump the disco (it doesn't have the chassis for that), then to get the best out of the suspension it really does need to have proper engineering redesigns done front and rear. You might notice the radius arms are longer at the front and shorter at the rear, this is offset by the weight balance of the vehicle also, with a better responce for an RTI number by the weight of the TD5.

    So basically yes, beyond about 10" travel shocks, you really need to look at slotted bushes/Superior flex arms/3 link etc to make the most of it. A few do run 12" short bodies, but I don't ever recall thinking that any of them are articulating beyond the limits of the radius arms. Some get a lot of drop which makes them look really flexy, but they don't stuff - or vice versa.
    Cheers
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