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    S2 2000 Engine - Who made it?

    Hi All,
    An interesting question that has come up as I am enjoying some time w/ hubby and my parents from interstate....

    How do I tell who has made the S2 engine for my landrover?

    Windsor ? Isuzu ? Rover ? ... any others ???


    (Discovery SII 2000...)

    Any ideas?

    Thx

    Lp

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    Hi

    Is it a TD5 or V8 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR25TD View Post
    Hi

    Is it a TD5 or V8 ?
    DOH! Stoopid brain forgot that one - V8 High Compression...

    Thx Lp

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    Sully Guest
    The D2 uses the "Thor" V8 from the P38 Range Rovers.
    Rover originally sourced the engine from General Motors and were used in their Buick models.

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    Here is some info on the D2 from Wiki

    The Series II Discovery debuted in autumn 1998 and in the US in 1999. Land Rover promoted that the Discovery Series II had been modified with 720 'differences'. The interior and exterior was re-worked to be less utilitarian, but it was still similar to the Series I. Every body panel was new except the rear door outer skin. The rear body was extended to improve load space but at the expense of added rear overhang, which adversely impacted off-road ability. Changes to the diesel engined models saw the 2495 cc Td5 (in-line direct-injected 5 cylinder) engine introduced, in line with the updated Defender models. This electronically managed engine was smoother, producing more usable torque at lower revs than its 300 Tdi predecessor. The Td5 engine is often mistakenly attributed to BMW but the engine was derived from the Rover L-series passenger car engine and developed by Land Rover. The 3948 cc [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8"]V8 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Aero4G11.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Aero4G11.jpg/220px-Aero4G11.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/4/42/Aero4G11.jpg/220px-Aero4G11.jpg[/ame] petrol version from the Disco 1 was replaced with the Range Rover P38 Thor 4.0 litre Rover derrived V8. There was no actual increase in capacity over the previous 3.9 L engine. Although the basic design of the engine was similar it was actually quite different internally. It used a differnt crankshaft, had larger bearing journals with cross bolted caps and different con rods and pistons. The blocks were machined differently to accept extra sensors for the Gems and Bosch (thor) injection system and to allow the extra stroke of the 4.6 crankshaft. For the 2003 and 2004 model year Discovery II they changed to the 4.6L V8. ACE (Active Cornering Enhancement, an electronically controlled hydraulic anti-roll bar system) was fitted to some versions, which reduced cornering roll. Self-levelling air springs were fitted to some models and European type-approval for 7-seat vehicles was only given for air-sprung cars.
    The locking centre differential was still fitted until early 2001, although the linkage to operate it was not attached, as Land Rover believed that the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_control_system"]Traction control system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png[/ame] and newly-developed [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_Descent_Control_system"]Hill Descent Control system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] would render it redundant. The actual locking mechanism was removed in early 2001, before being fully reinstated (with linkage) with the face-lifted 2004 model. Whilst the traction control system worked very effectively, it did not offer the same level of control and smooth operation as the vehicles fitted with the diff lock. Customer demand saw the diff lock controls fully reinstated as a cost option only (standard on top of range HSE/SE vehicles) on UK/Irish models, and aftermarket kits are offered by several vendors for those vehicles which were produced with the lock, but not the linkage.
    The "face-lift" models are easily identified by new "pocketed" headlamps which matched the Range Rover and face-lifted Freelander models as well as redesigned turn and brake lamps on the rear of the vehicle; the turn signals were moved from the bumper to the high side fixtures. The earlier Series II models could in turn be easily distinguished from the original Discovery by the position of those stop light fixtures above the window-line (earlier models had them below), and by the replacement of paddle door handles with the current sort. The Series II also differs in dimensions, but this can be difficult to discern unless one of each are sitting next to one another in a car park.
    A small number of Discovery II Commercial models were produced by Land Rover Special Vehicles, this time based on the five-door bodyshell but with the windows rendered opaque to give van-like appearance and security. Normal vehicles were exported to Republic of Ireland, where the rear side windows were smashed and rear seats were destroyed in the presence of a Revenue official, to offer a model that avoided the Vehicle Registration Tax (saving approximately 40%).
    In the final production run of the Discovery II, only two models were offered for sale in the UK market, the 'base' Pursuit, which still retained a high level of equipment as standard, and the top specification Landmark, which offered all Leather interior, twin sunroofs, Active Cornering Enhancement six-disc CD player and Heated Windscreen. The final vehicles left the production lines in late May 2004 to make way for the all new Discovery 3 (LR3) models
    The Commercials released by Special Vehicles came with rear self levelling suspension as standard, and on the facelifted vehicles the rendered windows are fixed in place so while a retrofit of seats is viable, it does not offer any significant comforts to the rear passengers unless the doors are almost completely rebuilt to facilitate windows that actually open - this also would require additional wiring. The last revision of this vehicle still had a high spec and came with climate control, roof bars, alloy wheels and marine ply boarding with full-length rubber mat in the loadspace as standard.

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    either or, petrol or diesel they are both Rover motors. the petrol V8 is a development of the original all alloy 3.5 V8 with its roots in the USA. the diesel TD5 5 cylinder was a purely rover development. A plan that was to be a common 4 cylinder 5 cylinder and a 6 cylinder. many will tell you that the TD5 was a BMW introduction, this is not true, the diesel range was well under development before BMW got involved, although BMW did get involved with the electronics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    The D2 uses the "Thor" V8 from the P38 Range Rovers.
    Rover originally sourced the engine from General Motors and were used in their Buick models.
    Thankyou :-D

    I have to laugh Sully.... my husband actually got this right and he's an FJ40 man!! Maybe I shouldn't be giving him so much "schtick" after all LOL!!

    Thx everyone else for the info.... a very interesting read :-)

    Cheers,
    Lp

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    Here is some info on the D2 from Wiki

    The Series II Discovery debuted in autumn 1998 and in the US in 1999. Land Rover promoted that the Discovery Series II had been modified with 720 'differences'. The interior and exterior was re-worked to be less utilitarian, but it was still similar to the Series I. Every body panel was new except the rear door outer skin. The rear body was extended to improve load space but at the expense of added rear overhang, which adversely impacted off-road ability. Changes to the diesel engined models saw the 2495 cc Td5 (in-line direct-injected 5 cylinder) engine introduced, in line with the updated Defender models. This electronically managed engine was smoother, producing more usable torque at lower revs than its 300 Tdi predecessor. The Td5 engine is often mistakenly attributed to BMW but the engine was derived from the Rover l series passenger car engine and developed by Land Rover. The 3948 cc V8 petrol version from the Disco 1 was replaced with the Range Rover P38 Thor 4.0 litre Rover derrived V8. There was no actual increase in capacity over the previous 3.9 L engine. Although the basic design of the engine was similar it was actually quite different internally. It used a differnt crankshaft, had larger bearing journals with cross bolted caps and different con rods and pistons. The blocks were machined differently to accept extra sensors for the Gems and Bosch (thor) injection system and to allow the extra stroke of the 4.6 crankshaft. For the 2003 and 2004 model year Discovery II they changed to the 4.6L V8. ACE (Active Cornering Enhancement, an electronically controlled hydraulic anti-roll bar system) was fitted to some versions, which reduced cornering roll. Self-levelling air springs were fitted to some models and European type-approval for 7-seat vehicles was only given for air-sprung cars.
    The locking centre differential was still fitted until early 2001, although the linkage to operate it was not attached, as Land Rover believed that the traction control and newly-developed Hill descent controlwould render it redundant. The actual locking mechanism was removed in early 2001, before being fully reinstated (with linkage) with the face-lifted 2004 model. Whilst the traction control system worked very effectively, it did not offer the same level of control and smooth operation as the vehicles fitted with the diff lock. Customer demand saw the diff lock controls fully reinstated as a cost option only (standard on top of range HSE/SE vehicles) on UK/Irish models, and aftermarket kits are offered by several vendors for those vehicles which were produced with the lock, but not the linkage.
    The "face-lift" models are easily identified by new "pocketed" headlamps which matched the Range Rover and face-lifted Freelander models as well as redesigned turn and brake lamps on the rear of the vehicle; the turn signals were moved from the bumper to the high side fixtures. The earlier Series II models could in turn be easily distinguished from the original Discovery by the position of those stop light fixtures above the window-line (earlier models had them below), and by the replacement of paddle door handles with the current sort. The Series II also differs in dimensions, but this can be difficult to discern unless one of each are sitting next to one another in a car park.
    A small number of Discovery II Commercial models were produced by Land Rover Special Vehicles, this time based on the five-door bodyshell but with the windows rendered opaque to give van-like appearance and security. Normal vehicles were exported to Republic of Ireland, where the rear side windows were smashed and rear seats were destroyed in the presence of a Revenue official, to offer a model that avoided the Vehicle Registration Tax (saving approximately 40%).
    In the final production run of the Discovery II, only two models were offered for sale in the UK market, the 'base' Pursuit, which still retained a high level of equipment as standard, and the top specification Landmark, which offered all Leather interior, twin sunroofs, Active Cornering Enhancement six-disc CD player and Heated Windscreen. The final vehicles left the production lines in late May 2004 to make way for the all new Discovery 3 (LR3) models
    The Commercials released by Special Vehicles came with rear self levelling suspension as standard, and on the facelifted vehicles the rendered windows are fixed in place so while a retrofit of seats is viable, it does not offer any significant comforts to the rear passengers unless the doors are almost completely rebuilt to facilitate windows that actually open - this also would require additional wiring. The last revision of this vehicle still had a high spec and came with climate control, roof bars, alloy wheels and marine ply boarding with full-length rubber mat in the loadspace as standard.

    Cheers Wayhe

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    Sorry about that posted it twice.

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    Sully Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by landyprincess View Post
    Thankyou :-D

    I have to laugh Sully.... my husband actually got this right and he's an FJ40 man!! Maybe I shouldn't be giving him so much "schtick" after all LOL!!

    Thx everyone else for the info.... a very interesting read :-)

    Cheers,
    Lp
    No worries LP. Hopefully next time we can assist in proving you right to your better half.

    How's your newest family member settling in?

    C

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